Topic: Al Sharpton's Search for Relevance
Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:15 AM


my support is not of his 'intentions', because I am not the thought police nor a psychic who can say what they are

though, I do tend to believe that ones actions and their results speak a lot to their 'intention'

my support is of his RESULTS in the families and the communities he has advocated for,,,,


From what I've seen, Sharpton's goals and results seem to divide the country more and more. He is very good at race baiting. It sad, because if he put more energy into uniting us, he probably has some power to do that....


He is like a lightning rod. He motivates the militant and criminal base while the base that can think for them selves can see him for the snake oil salesman that he is. He ONLY gets involved on hot button issues when the whole nation is watching.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:18 AM

Will Rev. Sharpton speak out against those other cases of racism?

I doubt it because Sharpton is a Democrat, and Democrats are selective about which acts of racism that they will speak against.


Hell, he wont even admit publically a well documented fact. over 90% (I think the number is 96% or 97%) of African American males will die at the hands of another African American male. If he actually gave a crap, he would help try to reduce that.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:19 AM

At the moment, I do not see anything wrong with Rev. Sharpton going to Ferguson, Missouri.
Let's see what he actually does there before criticizing him.

The fact that I posted those commentaries in the OP doesn't necessarily mean that I agree with them. I just wanted to start a conversation.


I don't have a problem with him going, but history has shown he doesn't accomplish much and as soon as the spotlights out, he's gone.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:20 AM



my support is not of his 'intentions', because I am not the thought police nor a psychic who can say what they are

though, I do tend to believe that ones actions and their results speak a lot to their 'intention'

my support is of his RESULTS in the families and the communities he has advocated for,,,,


From what I've seen, Sharpton's goals and results seem to divide the country more and more. He is very good at race baiting. It sad, because if he put more energy into uniting us, he probably has some power to do that....


He is like a lightning rod. He motivates the militant and criminal base while the base that can think for them selves can see him for the snake oil salesman that he is. He ONLY gets involved on hot button issues when the whole nation is watching.


ur drinking way too much of the kool aid,,,,,sadly

who is it that decides what to show 'the nation',,,the press maybe?

although I do believe his presence often increases the odds that the nation will see,, which is one way in which he is an asset to those suffering injustices

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:22 AM


Will Rev. Sharpton speak out against those other cases of racism?

I doubt it because Sharpton is a Democrat, and Democrats are selective about which acts of racism that they will speak against.


Hell, he wont even admit publically a well documented fact. over 90% (I think the number is 96% or 97%) of African American males will die at the hands of another African American male. If he actually gave a crap, he would help try to reduce that.


where do ya pull this stuff from honestly?

you believe 97 percent of African American males are MURDERED?,,,,lol

wow



Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:24 AM




yeah, he only PRETENDED to found civil rights networks all across the country,,,,

he only PRETENDS to be able to bring attention to and for families whose injustices may otherwise go unnoticed and uncared about

he only PRETENDED to work with MLK
he only PRETENDS to help advocate for voter registration and job training
he only PRETENDS to get investors to contribute to and invest in minority communities

yeah,, he is only PRETENDING to help,,,,


the dishonest race baiter laugh


Sadly, I believe you honestly think he has good intentions..... and that is why there is such division in the world..... because people still back known corrupt politicians with media support blurring the lines of principle


It's like banging your head against the wall sometimes..........



no kidding,,,,,


pop quiz time,, can anyone here name ONE BLACK MAN who speaks out about issues of racial injustice that you don't consider 'race baiting' or 'divisive'?





Dr. Ben Carson, Alan West, Dr. Alan Keyes, Herman Cain. I can keep going if you want.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:26 AM





yeah, he only PRETENDED to found civil rights networks all across the country,,,,

he only PRETENDS to be able to bring attention to and for families whose injustices may otherwise go unnoticed and uncared about

he only PRETENDED to work with MLK
he only PRETENDS to help advocate for voter registration and job training
he only PRETENDS to get investors to contribute to and invest in minority communities

yeah,, he is only PRETENDING to help,,,,


the dishonest race baiter laugh


Sadly, I believe you honestly think he has good intentions..... and that is why there is such division in the world..... because people still back known corrupt politicians with media support blurring the lines of principle


It's like banging your head against the wall sometimes..........



no kidding,,,,,


pop quiz time,, can anyone here name ONE BLACK MAN who speaks out about issues of racial injustice that you don't consider 'race baiting' or 'divisive'?





Dr. Ben Carson, Alan West, Dr. Alan Keyes, Herman Cain. I can keep going if you want.



no, but you can start naming black men who speak out about issues of RACIAL INJUSTICE, so far you have just named black men that are well known for telling black folks that nothing is wrong,,,,,

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:29 AM



Will Rev. Sharpton speak out against those other cases of racism?

I doubt it because Sharpton is a Democrat, and Democrats are selective about which acts of racism that they will speak against.


Hell, he wont even admit publically a well documented fact. over 90% (I think the number is 96% or 97%) of African American males will die at the hands of another African American male. If he actually gave a crap, he would help try to reduce that.


where do ya pull this stuff from honestly?

you believe 97 percent of African American males are MURDERED?,,,,lol

wow





I am sorry, I was off........ 94% rofl That is straight from the Department of Justice.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304830704577496501048197464

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:29 AM
But Mr. Martin's death is a racial aberration, according to data kept by the Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Law-enforcement officials nationwide are battling a far more widespread and intractable problem: the persistent killing of young black men by other young black men.

Homicide victims usually are killed by people of their own race and ethnicity. The pattern goes back at least a generation.

Bureau of Justice Statistics data show that from 1976 to 2005, white victims were killed by white defendants 86% of the time and black victims were killed by blacks 94% of the time.

Then there is the matter of who is dying. Although the U.S. murder rate has been dropping for years, an analysis of homicide data by The Wall Street Journal found that the number of black male victims increased more than 10%, to 5,942 in 2010 from 5,307 in 2000.

Overall, more than half the nation's homicide victims are African-American, though blacks make up only 13% of the population. Of those black murder victims, 85% were men, mostly young men.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304830704577496501048197464

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:31 AM
that's the wall street journal, not the department of justice

Im not subscribed and it wont open, but I assure you the number is ridiculous and wrong,,,,

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:32 AM



that's odd,, cause I didn't think I used vocabulary behind a high school level

let me repeat what I was 'saying'


one was ELECTED (meaning a majority agreed with him) to public office
one was a member of the KKK
one speaks out for justice and the other speaks for separation
one has worn Nazi Uniforms and celebrated Hitlers birthday

these are facts,, not liberal or conservative logic,, just facts

one being a documented and consistent Nazi supporting separatist who STILL go elected to public office

the other being a public figure who has no chance of EVER being elected to office who speaks out for many issues INCLUDING racial equality and justice and social progress,,,,


the level of 'honesty' is about as relevant an issue as comparing an HONEST klu klux klan man with a dishonest husband

the integrity of being 'honest' isn't the cloud that covers and makes irrelevant the FACTS of whatever one is being 'honest' about,,,


Ummm remind me which office did Jackson or Sharpton hold? Jackson's son held office and is in federal prison for corruption. Duke actually got elected to office, never hiding who he was or what he stood for and the whole country was against him BOTH parties and he still won by a good majority. Just saying......



David Duke was elected, despite his kkk background

that was one of those 'differences' I was highlighting

Jacksons son is not Jackson





Duke also always been open about who and what he is. He doesn't hide between the lies and talking points provided by high priced publicists, attorneys etc.

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:36 AM

that's the wall street journal, not the department of justice

Im not subscribed and it wont open, but I assure you the number is ridiculous and wrong,,,,


Read the damn article, they used the figures provided by the department of justice.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:38 AM
it depends entirely on where one lives,,,,and murder itself could be said to be an aberration,,,,

rape is an aberration

teacher student rape is an aberration since most rapes are committed by people close to the victim,, but we still feel outrage and a unique betrayal if its a TEACHER Because of the trust the public puts in that position,,,,

in some precincts and districts there is a disparity in how quickly and how often deadly force is used against unarmed minorities compared to other unarmed individuals,,,

not that it is less tragic or unacceptable for police to murder non minorities,,,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:40 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 08/15/14 12:41 AM


that's the wall street journal, not the department of justice

Im not subscribed and it wont open, but I assure you the number is ridiculous and wrong,,,,


Read the damn article, they used the figures provided by the department of justice.



calm down hoss,, the article cant be read without subscribing which I don't wish to do.

and I don't believe the DOJ states that 97 percent of black men are murdered,,,,,,that makes no LOGICAL sense,,,,lol

that is different from stating that MOST of those who are killed are killed by their own 'race',,,something true of whites and blacks,, something expected and not really surprising or in need of addressing,,,,

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:49 AM






yeah, he only PRETENDED to found civil rights networks all across the country,,,,

he only PRETENDS to be able to bring attention to and for families whose injustices may otherwise go unnoticed and uncared about

he only PRETENDED to work with MLK
he only PRETENDS to help advocate for voter registration and job training
he only PRETENDS to get investors to contribute to and invest in minority communities

yeah,, he is only PRETENDING to help,,,,


the dishonest race baiter laugh


Sadly, I believe you honestly think he has good intentions..... and that is why there is such division in the world..... because people still back known corrupt politicians with media support blurring the lines of principle


It's like banging your head against the wall sometimes..........



no kidding,,,,,


pop quiz time,, can anyone here name ONE BLACK MAN who speaks out about issues of racial injustice that you don't consider 'race baiting' or 'divisive'?





Dr. Ben Carson, Alan West, Dr. Alan Keyes, Herman Cain. I can keep going if you want.



no, but you can start naming black men who speak out about issues of RACIAL INJUSTICE, so far you have just named black men that are well known for telling black folks that nothing is wrong,,,,,


slaphead They have never said nothing was wrong. shocked

Lpdon's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:53 AM



that's the wall street journal, not the department of justice

Im not subscribed and it wont open, but I assure you the number is ridiculous and wrong,,,,


Read the damn article, they used the figures provided by the department of justice.



calm down hoss,, the article cant be read without subscribing which I don't wish to do.

and I don't believe the DOJ states that 97 percent of black men are murdered,,,,,,that makes no LOGICAL sense,,,,lol

that is different from stating that MOST of those who are killed are killed by their own 'race',,,something true of whites and blacks,, something expected and not really surprising or in need of addressing,,,,



Don't call me Hoss, but I am not surprised at that comment. BTW I clipped part of that article. 94% of African American males who are killed are done so by another African American male and the number for the year quoted I the article was up 10% from the previous year while murder rates have gone down nationally.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 12:59 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 08/15/14 01:04 AM







yeah, he only PRETENDED to found civil rights networks all across the country,,,,

he only PRETENDS to be able to bring attention to and for families whose injustices may otherwise go unnoticed and uncared about

he only PRETENDED to work with MLK
he only PRETENDS to help advocate for voter registration and job training
he only PRETENDS to get investors to contribute to and invest in minority communities

yeah,, he is only PRETENDING to help,,,,


the dishonest race baiter laugh


Sadly, I believe you honestly think he has good intentions..... and that is why there is such division in the world..... because people still back known corrupt politicians with media support blurring the lines of principle


It's like banging your head against the wall sometimes..........



no kidding,,,,,


pop quiz time,, can anyone here name ONE BLACK MAN who speaks out about issues of racial injustice that you don't consider 'race baiting' or 'divisive'?





Dr. Ben Carson, Alan West, Dr. Alan Keyes, Herman Cain. I can keep going if you want.



no, but you can start naming black men who speak out about issues of RACIAL INJUSTICE, so far you have just named black men that are well known for telling black folks that nothing is wrong,,,,,


slaphead They have never said nothing was wrong. shocked


nor have they publicly uttered anything in protest of racial disparate policies, actions, laws,,,,etc,,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/15/14 01:02 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 08/15/14 01:02 AM




that's the wall street journal, not the department of justice

Im not subscribed and it wont open, but I assure you the number is ridiculous and wrong,,,,


Read the damn article, they used the figures provided by the department of justice.



calm down hoss,, the article cant be read without subscribing which I don't wish to do.

and I don't believe the DOJ states that 97 percent of black men are murdered,,,,,,that makes no LOGICAL sense,,,,lol

that is different from stating that MOST of those who are killed are killed by their own 'race',,,something true of whites and blacks,, something expected and not really surprising or in need of addressing,,,,



Don't call me Hoss, but I am not surprised at that comment. BTW I clipped part of that article. 94% of African American males who are killed are done so by another African American male and the number for the year quoted I the article was up 10% from the previous year while murder rates have gone down nationally.



that's a different thing than stating that 97 percent of black males will die at the hands of other blacks,,,, you need to re read what you post,,,,


Hoss was used because Im reminded of the wild wild west and the militant professional watcher over all things illegal mentality,,,, and the dramatic insertion of the word 'damn',,, like Rhett Butler,,,,,,lol

but yeah,, I will try to refrain from the nickname ,,,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/15/14 07:01 AM
In 2005 nearly half of all homicide victims were black
Blacks accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in 2005,
according to the FBI's UCR.* Black males accounted for
about 52% (or 6,800) of the nearly 13,000 male homicide
victims in 2005. Black females made up 35% (or 1,200) of
the nearly 3,500 female homicide victims. The number of
black males murdered increased between 2004 and 2005,
while the number of black females murdered remained the
same (figure 3). A higher percentage of black homicide vic-
tims (36%) than white victims (26%) were ages 13 to 24.
About half (51%) of black homicide victims were ages 17 to
29, compared to about 37% of white victims.
Homicides against blacks were more likely than those
against whites to occur in highly populated areas, including
cities and suburbs. About half (53%) of black homicides in
2005 took place in areas with populations of at least
250,000 people. A third (33%) of white homicides occurred
in places with that size population.
In 2005 most homicides involving one victim and one
offender were intraracial. About 93% of black homicide vic-
tims and 85% of white victims in single victim and single
offender homicides were murdered by someone of their
race. Women were the offenders in about 10% of single
victim and single offender homicides of both blacks and
whites.
Intimate partners (current or former spouses, boyfriends, or
girlfriends, including same-sex relationships) were respon-
sible for relatively fewer homicides among blacks (6%) than
among whites (12%) in 2005. Gang violence accounted for
about 5% of black homicides and about 7% of white homi-
cides. Blacks were killed with firearms in about 77% of
homicides against them in 2005, compared to 60% of white
homicide victims.
*For overall estimates of homicides, see Homicide Trends in the United
States <www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/homtrnd.htm>.
Violent crime rates between 2001 and 2005 were higher
for blacks than for whites, Hispanics, and Asians
Between 2001 and 2005 blacks had higher rates of violent
victimization than whites, Hispanics, and Asians (table 2).
American Indians were the only group that had rates higher
than blacks.
Blacks were more likely to experience an aggravated
assault than whites or Hispanics
Between 2001 and 2005 the average annual rate of aggra-
vated assault for blacks (8 per 1,000 persons age 12 or
older) was nearly twice that of whites (4 per 1,000) and
slightly higher than that of Hispanics (5 per 1,000). While
blacks were more likely than whites to experience aggra-
vated assault, blacks and whites were equally likely to
experience a simple assault during the 5-year period.
Blacks were at a greater risk of rape or sexual assault than
any other racial/ethnic group except American Indians.
Serious violent crime made up nearly half of nonfatal
violent crimes against blacks between 2001 and 2005
Serious violent victimization consists of rape or sexual
Homicide victims by race and gender of the victim,
Table 2. Average annual violent victimization rate by race/
Hispanic origin and type of crime, 2001-2005
Rate per 1,000 persons age 12 or older
Race/Hispanic
origin Total vio-lent crime Rape/sexual assault Robbery AssaultAggravatedSimple
Black/African
Americana 28.7 1.7 4.3 7.7 14.9
Whitea 22.8 0.9 2.0 4.2 15.7
American Indian/
Alaska Nativea 56.8 0.9b 4.8b 11.6 39.5
Asian/Pacific
Islandera 10.6 0.5b 2.3 1.7 6.2
Hispanic/Latino 24.3 0.8 3.6 5.3 14.5
a
Not Hispanic or Latino.
b
Based on 10 or fewer sample cases.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 08/15/14 07:22 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 08/15/14 07:23 AM

This guy has a few words about things in Ferguson.... and notsoSharpton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U