No means no why would I try to win a woman over if she does not find me attractive.

Clearly you have never been stalked. Nobody knows.

I just like being treated as a woman

Self control..that the very important to me sometimes even I get mad I control myself..I talk first and I tel my feelings so I can avoid to be mad:-)

I apologize I thought I was commenting on self control which I have but as far as stalking I think its a mental illness that should be addressed by the proper authorities as soon as possible.

If she says No, assume it means No and keep it in your pants. If she says No and means Yes ... she should probably just learn to say Yes. It would likely make things far less confusing in the future.

I don't do that to anyone ...done... to upfront if I am not interested in you romantically ... friends are good ... and will tell u just a friend ... no means no... yes means yes ... wait what are the circumstances ? what if we where at 4 long days of partying at a good concert in a field like a Woodstock and your lite as all get out and the girl was just gorgeous to you and said lets go handsome... would u go or no becouse u are taking advantage of someone very intoxicated... then the no yes thing started would u leave her alone after that ... or do something you might regret later ... becouse she said yes first ...

No means no, unless she's dressed like Nova from Planet Of The Apes, or Slave Leia...

Interesting conversation, regardless of any situation no means no, if the girl is drunk and comes on to you, it is still no... it's about respect for her and your self..... there are reasons why she is saying no.... and for a guy to right her off a girl for saying no to sex they don't have self control.... the world has made sex a game and not something that is supposed to be special at the right time and place.... I perfure marriage, sex can just complicate that more expecially for women

for legal purposes, this is great advice

realistically, when it comes to passion, no with the mouth doesn't always mean no, depending upon what is happening with the body, but that is no legal argument..obviously,,lol

How can any man answer this?
The only option is "yes."

Because if "no" always means "yes" then any man that answers this question with a "no" is really saying "yes."

You will be unable to trust or verify any answer to this question that comes from a male, who will have first person direct experience in their intentions.

So you are either looking for only women to answer, which would offer you a biased, useless, answer, or asking rhetorical questions you already know (or think you know) the answer to but feel the need to vent, complain, and moan, drum up support for misandry, all while trying to maintain the illusion that you aren't.


Self control isn't an absolute.
I would put forth everyone that participates in forums as proof.
Does the person that doesn't start a rhetorical thinly veiled man bashing thread have less self control than the person that doesn't?
Does the person that ignores such a thread rather than respond have greater self control than one who doesn't?
If the same person does one and not the other, do they have self control, or some degree of it, and how do you measure and compare?


How would you determine the veracity of anyone who answers here?
Talk is cheap, right?
I would say the only people that could prove their self control are those that don't respond to your thread.
But that doesn't really help.

IOW you are basically putting people in a corner with your thread.
If they respond, they can't but help offer their opinion to you, denoting a lack of self control.
If they don't respond, they offer no evidence to the contrary of what you posit in the OP.
Win win for you.

Most of that isn't really a matter of "chivalry" so much as practicality.

Women, in the pursuit of their role and place, had a certain type of fashion that made reaching out, bending over, or even seeing their feet, pretty much impossible.

They wore corsets and petticoats. Suck in the waist, flare the hips, can't twist, breath, or bend.
If your dress poofs out farther than your arm reach, you can't reach a door. If your corset keeps you from bending at the waist or swiveling your body, it's more difficult to open a solid wooden door that wasn't installed with modern considerations.
If you try to manage a door, or climbing down from somewhere, or lifting your skirt to step over a puddle, then you show your legs, or ankles which makes you a whore, or ruin what could possibly be your only "nice" clothes since there was no wal mart 3 for 10 bucks tshirt packs.

If you can't see your feet or, within a 3 foot radius, and you try to step down from something without a guiding hand you greatly increase your chances of tripping, falling, and severely hurting yourself, even a scrape to the knee can cause serious problems.

People tend to forget about the whole judgments and gender roles and life situations involved in chivalry, and pretty much interpret it based on modern conveniences and lifestyles they take for granted, ascribing some sort of altruistic and loving motive to behavior.

Or Neytiri from Avatar...

I agree more than 100%

I just need a hint,pride kicks in rightaway!!!!!

Speaking for my Hormones , It can be Hard :) to fight your man bits :) But sex is only part of the bonding process.......

Rape is ignoring and disrespecting the wishes of the
women.......

If she Say yes and in the last when get to know that I am poor girls block you by saying u r are rude that's hurt and 2nd here I made account no 1 trust me they think I just got my pix from google why people are.like this ( I am.sorry if u mind but this is reality