when i see boobies,self-control packs it's crap and leaves

I've walked away after being told yes.
Later, realize I didn't hear no.
Cried myself to sleep.

Can I get a big 'aaaawwww'?

awwwwwwwww........better luck next time

Wisdom brother .. Going for it is better than rattling about it afterwards in the forum...

With a long-standing partner you know when you can turn no in to yes by coaxing them, (new shoes is good), and you know when you can't , guys can deal with this. Women are perhaps not so good at dealing with it, I am not sure, they always seem to turn my no in to yes, just weak I guess.

I hear you guys, some women are more predatory than men when they had a skinful, which is why self-control on the bevvies is needed to - you should see the action/reaction in the pubs here in Ireland.

Come to think of it, this is one reason why I am on here. I can't handle the pubs/clubs ***-grabbing scenarios and 'now that I've offered/bought you a drink' = spread them baby', mindset that permeates the Irish culture nowadays. SIGHS

No, but sometimes instead of a flat-out-no the woman says 'maybe' or implies there is a possibility(generally just to get more stuff/favors/drinks etc..)When in fact there was never a possibility. I use to be the one to hang around....not anymore, if I get the hint that she isn't interested I move on immediately now

After doing it 4 times isn't it time do save some till tomorrow.

Sound logic if you ask me...but then no one asked me so whatever.

Yeah. Self-control is for the birds.

self control and self respect.
should go hand in hand..
it was referred to buying people drinks at the bar.. in the thread..
. I have never used this as a pickup line... however I have had women approach and offered to buy me a drink.. if I think there might be a match between us.. I accept. under the condition she allows me to buy the next round..ok.. you have to remember in real life I'm quite shy...
.. but I have friends who have tried this line.. they offer to buy a girl a drink.. and then before you know it,
they are buying them drinks all night long... and. big shocker.. my friend goes home alone.. this has happened on more than one occasion...
. now my question is.. is this a matter of. his lack of self respect.. or her lack of self control... Or both parties suffering from. a lack of both...???

Buy your own drinks and there will be no question! Simple as that! No one expects anything so no one is disappointed or broke in the end! I will not let anyone buy me a drink as I will not expect them to expect anything from me...period! They can pay for their own drinks too...without owing anyone anything and no subtle expectations.

so it's a real gentleman..
and you know what I'm speaking of.
. offers to buy you a glass of wine.
and you know he is sincere.. not looking for any games.. or to gain anything from it.. just the pleasure of your company.. for a brief moment in time.. you would say no to him..?.
. I'm not trying to pry.. just curious..
. ... and let's just say.
he's the type of gentleman you would be attracted to you...

If I was at a place where he could buy me a drink, which is not likely, but if I was, I would say "Thank you for the offer to buy a drink for me, but I prefer to buy my own, however, I do appreciate the thoughtfulness". Interest still in tact but no debt owed on either partie's part. JMHO

^^^^^^^That is called 'class' ^^^^^^

Thank you Pancho! That is truly a very nice compliment!

okay so what are your thoughts on chivalry..then.. you know. placing his coat upon a puddle.. helping you down from a high spot.. you know like off of a carriage.. Are a buggy..
... I am just trying to get a true sense.
of what I may encounter out there.
in this dating world. before I was married.. you could offer to buy a lady a drink. and she would not presume. there was anything attached to it.. Just a man offering to buy a lady a drink.. nothing more..
. exchanged pleasant conversation...
nowadays it seems like.. there is a hidden agenda in everything you do..
when you're on a date.. not to mention the terminology... hookups.
. baby mama.. sugar daddy.. it sometimes is very overwhelming...
.. I feel I need and want to be myself.
. but I also don't want to be dated.
. that is I mean out of the loop...
it is truly a zoo out there... thank God for miracles.. like mingle... and of course true ladies like yourself Missy...

Find me a guy that does all of that ,without the expectation of sex ,and I'd be a happy girl.

Its pretty simple. If she says no, you stop.

I am truly humbled by your words No1. Thank you. As for dating now a days, I really can't say. The whole world has changed so much, but I have found that no matter what the rest of the world does, I have to be true to myself. I will never use a man for my own self-interest, not even in dating. I always appreciate a man helping me down from a carriage, were I riding in one, which in the U.S. is almost unheard of (although I have been for several carriage rides). It's a story book romance type thing, which every woman might dream about; however, not every woman does. It's individual to each woman and they can be as individual as the men they are dating. Times are not what they used to be, but we can dream that they could be...sometimes I think that defines the age range we should be looking for. Someone who feels the same thoughtfulness which was expressed when we were growing up...someone who doesn't laugh at us because we might expect a door to be opened for us. Someone who is not so stuck to a cell phone that they have time to look into ours eyes and truly communicate, if not with words, with silence but volumes spoken. In the long run, it can only be what one chooses and it's up to us to choose wisely. We need to choose what we can live with and the type of individual we would truly want to be in our lives. So, bottom line...it's confusing, but still up to us to choose one who would make us the most accepting of ourselves and of them...and live in the life that only those two can create. JMHO