There are no real Christians as far as I'm concerned. If you want to be a Christian you have to be celibate; you can't even think about sex. The moment you catch yourself thinking about it you have to chastise yourself. Or, if you want to be true to the letter, you must amputate that part of your body. You can not have any money or proper clothes, you can not have anything. It's no surprise then that people tried to water it down by calling themselves protestants etc. But they aren't Christians.

Why would anyone want to sacrifice everything and follow Jesus anyway? What if there is no reward at the end of it all? You'd have done all that for nothing.

Im not sure where this definition of christian comes from.

Jesus died for sins because we all sin, there is no requirement to do anything but believe in and know him (his message, his example, )

There is no requirement to sacrifice 'everything',

it is futile to do it for 'reward' though, its not about just the ends, but the walk/journey thats taken with Him to get there.

I disagree respectively red6mist.

To be a follower of Christ, one does not need to be celibate. That's a good way to be of course, but mainly it's the community of persecuting Christians who believe you have to already live in perfection to live in God's grace. This is simply just not true.

We are broken, and Jesus is actually the only true Christian that was and ever will be. By the way, Check out "2 Corinthians 3:4-6".

We as humans live to condemn ourselves and others. But God sacrificed His son so we can stop living like that. Unfortunately it's the fallibility of humanity that stops God from working in our lives. Because honestly, the spirit moves no matter what we're doing.

I hope this helps you to see from a different perspective. He will not love me any less, or use me any less, no matter what I do. It's all already been done ;).

Amen Msharmony!

like she said!

I think you ought to shut down your Computer,and do some serious reading!
That Celibacy-Thing didn't come in until well into the 3rd Century or so!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celibacy#Christianity

Misharmony, it comes from the gospels in the King James bible. By the way, Jesus did not die for our sins. That makes no sense. In one of his parables he talks about this; the prophets were sent but no one listened. So god sent Jesus to sort things out. Jesus' message is loud and clear. It's right there in the gospels. He who has ears, let him hear.

Conrad is right Red6mist,

You should go and do some "History of Christianity" Research. It seems to me like your a bit confused on some of the values, the reformation, understanding, and the belief system between Catholicism and Christianity. I wish the best on your personal Spiritual Journey!

No Jesus didn't die for our sins. He took your place in death for your sins. Then defeated death for us all so death holds no power.

Please do elaborate on your claims here.



What's wrong with being celibate? Can one not wait for their special someone they'll spend all eternity with? Why be in such a rush?



Please do inform us of where you get this knowledge. And remember for it to be applied to "Christians" it has to come from New Testament. Before the New Testament there was no "Christ" so there was no "Christ"ianity.



Again, please elaborate on where you get such knowledge. Not just saying where, but please do give some verses for examples.

I think if we judge ourselves, or rather hold ourselves to the same standards that Jesus taught while he walked amongst us teaching what God wanted us to know when it pertains to our personal conduct and how we treat others, then I would tend to agree that I nor anyone I know maintains our lives according to Jesus NT instructions.



Jesus taught life lessons by His own personal example, by also using parables and teaching forgiveness for sins that are repented.

Being a follower of Christ's example is not a burden most people want to carry or endure in its simplicity because straight is the gate, narrow is the way, and few there be that actually find it.



The bible also teaches that those who have plenty should share with those who have little so that none go without. Unfortunately selfishness is a personal weakness that's hard to overcome when/if we want to put ourselves first.

The way you describe being a Christian makes me feel dreadful as if God doesn't want us to be happy and enjoy our lives here on earth at all. So under these kinds of circumstances I wouldn't want to be a Christian either.

Well the bible is a long and conplex book of history and examples and lessons

I have not come across anything in the bible that instructs us to give up everything, though I do know the story of an INDIVIDUAL who was wishing to be one of Jesus disciples and was told to give up the material things to do so.

There are no more disciples that I know of, but 'christians' are a different matter.

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”



there is a place in our heart for God and each other,,,there is no need to 'sacrifice everything',,

just marking this topic so I can reply later when I have a proper keyboard instead of my phone. ...

red6mist grossly misrepresents the Christian faith.

Correct me if I am wrong with definitions
Celibacy is not getting married
Chastity is not having sexual relations, or in some areas assigned sexual relations, for example- faithfulness to one's spouse

St Augustine, who also came up with the idea of Original Sin, wanted priests to be celibate and refrain from sex as he was upset that you also pee out of that thing.

Jesus recommends castration

St Paul is just a mess

celibacy:
abstention from sexual intercourse

b : abstention by vow from marriage




chastity: the state of not having sex with anyone : the quality or state of being chaste

Corinthians 7:1-9

Corinthians Chapter 7

1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman.

2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

5 Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

6 But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment.

7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

I guess he couldn't castrate himself. B4t to address Reds main point, it would appear the proper analogy would be Plato's Shadows in a Cave

The Jesuits were the only ones I'm aware of who took Christianity seriously. Everyone else just did it part-time or hardly at all.

Speaking of Jesuits, there's a brilliant film about them called Black Robe. You might be able to find it on youtube.

I really don't find people who take it seriously, its mainly used as an ego defense mechanism.