it's hard to argue with the truth...

"Gods don't kill people,
People with Gods kill people"

Science flies people to the moon,
Religion flies people into buildings"

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
― Albert Einstein

“Science and religion are not at odds. Science is simply too young to understand.”
― Dan Brown

“Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge, which is power; religion gives man wisdom, which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals.”
― Martin Luther King Jr.

Religion is dogma, community, and more

Spirituality is best pursued through Yoga although devote prayer and discipline can get you there as well.

Religion can take you to spirituality or heighten yours but most often, it is a simple weekly trip to church if that.

You really want to know God? It takes a LOT of discipline. Best to get off this site!! unless you are looking for a yogi, a spiritual guide or a monk.

I do encourage you to do some reading of history to See How both Christanity and Islam have fostered scientific knowledge and advance

I love watching that fool from Answers in Gensis flip out with each episode of de Grasse's Cosmos!

yep,by burning People at the Stake or stoning them for Heresies against the prevailing Dogma!

The problem maybe the fact that most people do not understand the difference between a religion and a cult. Here is an example of the cult of Xianitty:


May 6, 2014 |
The Pill is destroying America, making women into idle lazy tattlers and gossips, according to Arizona Baptist pastor Steven Anderson. His bottom line: Feminism, coupled with birth control, gives a woman the power to decide when to have children, allowing her to pursue other interests: “You know, my main goal is to go to college, and to graduate from college, and I’m going to be a lawyer and I’m going to be a doctor and I’m going to be a marine biologist.” Now, you may think that doesn’t sound idle or lazy at all. You may think it sounds good. But it’s actually bad, bad, bad. A woman who isn’t “busy about having children” gets into “sin!”

Anderson opened a recent sermon-length rant against contraception by quoting the book of Genesis: “Unto the woman he said I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee.” (Genesis 3:16) A father of seven, soon to be eight, Anderson thinks women should let God manage their family planning. He has preached for hours on the topic, because the Bible, in his words, makes God’s will perfectly clear. "It used to be a young woman, she gets married, she has children, and that's her job.”

Male Christian leaders have been making this point for centuries. Why aren’t women listening? Martin Luther, patron saint of the Protestant Reformation, minced no words: “If a woman grows weary and at last dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her only die from bearing; she is there to do it.”

See Genesis 3.

And 1 Timothy 2:15, which says women will be saved through childbearing.

And 1 Timothy 5:13, the source of the comment about women who are idle tattlers and gossips.

And 13 other Bible verses that tell us exactly what the writers thought of women.

If she dies, she is there to do it. Luther had this on very good authority. But when his wife’s most recent pregnancy became high-risk, Anderson didn’t choose to adopt Luther’s approach. He didn’t follow the evangelical adage, “Let go and let God.” Instead, he turned to some of the best modern medical specialists available, ultimately choosing a procedure that maximized the likelihood that one of two threatened identical twins would live.

Anderson’s wife chronicles their family life through a blog called: “’Are they all yours?’ Real life stories from one big happy family!” In December, loyal readers learned, when she did, that a pregnancy that was to produce their eighth and ninth child was in danger:

One twin (and his sac) is taking up the vast majority of the uterine cavity. This baby is overly active, while the other twin is hardly active at all, and wedged into my lower left side. It is also obvious that a bladder is not visible on the smaller (donor) baby due to low fluid levels. ... One baby is in danger of dying from severe anemia and dehydration, leading to brain damage and cardiac arrest, while the other baby struggles with an excess of blood volume that is likely to also lead to cardiac arrest and death. Untreated, the chances of the babies surviving are about five percent for one twin, zero percent for both.

God or nature, whichever you believe created human life, designed reproduction as a funnel. Hundreds of eggs and millions of sperm produce a few fertilized eggs, which produce half as many implanted embryos, which produce fewer still live babies, so that a couple will survive and grow up to have offspring of their own.

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Someone was only ever stoned for committing a sin(s). Science isn't a sin. It's merely the study of what God has created. Absolutely nothing in science rules out God. People may, but the science eg., study of, does not.

And besides that "Christians" don't and have never stoned anyone. Have to keep in mind "Christianity" is only even possibly as old as when Jesus was born. Before Jesus there was no Christianity, for there was no "Christ". So no, again "Christianity" does not support stoning or even judging one another on any level.

though it is presented as lopsided (aimed only at women)


I think the idea that idle hands and selfishness can leave the door to sin open a bit wider, is not so 'cultist' in my opinion

seems to be just another more 'religious' view on what parents told their children for centuries about being 'lazy' or sitting around and not being ABOUT anything productive,,,,

The story of Jesus saving the adultress from stoning is nice, HOWEVER is of course not in the oldest versions of the text and most scholars believe it is a later addition. Outside of that, have you never heard of the Inquistion? Read the Swerve, it was on the bestseller list.

I wonder if your flow of thought and slippery slope is how the Taliban was able to ban education for women? Or how those Nigerians justify to themselves that it was ok to kidnap those school girls? Is it ok to kill an abortion doctor?

"Christianity" does not support stoning anyone, does not even condone judging another. "Christ"ianity is molded after our "Christ" eg., Jesus. Old testament is not "Christianity". It's past, history, not saying it's all false. But Christianity is around the New Testament and what Jesus taught eg., Jesus "Christ" and "Christ"ianity. Before Jesus walked the Earth in the flesh and came as the Christ, there was no Christianity.

BTW, I wonder why it one section they are stoning people to death and another section telling the Romans that they have no law to put a man to death? Apparently the authors were betting that most people could not read objective history and felt it was ok to just make things up

gosh, all because I believe being idle or consumed merely with self satisfaction can lead to terrible decisions and 'sins'?


I wonder if highlighting sermons like this is how islamist radicals justify to themselves it is ok to kill Christians?

somehow, just the idea of someone being a 'radical' means to me that the simplest of things can serve in their minds to justify torture and misuse of others,,,

Because the old testament where they stoned people was a time when the world was under a different covenant. Then Jesus came to fulfill the covenant and give us a new.

Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

And Jesus spent his entire life giving us this new covenant that was made to take place of the old fulfilled/completed covenant.

John 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

"gosh did you gloss over what the gentleman actually said: your job as a woman is to make babies PERIOD. Anything else you do is idleness and lazy, it is only by bearing children can you be saved. Gosh I hope he does wind up with any political power to make laws. That would put y64 women in your proper place.

Kinda like this guy:
A so-called “historian” who Glenn Beck hired to teach at his online university insisted this week that women had originally been denied the right to vote “to keep the family together,” and for the good of “the entire culture and society.”

On the Thursday broadcast of Wallbuilders Live, David Barton explained that biblical principles — and not sexism — were behind not allowing women to vote prior to 1920.

“So family government precedes civil government and you watch that as colonists came to America, they voted by families,” he said. “And you have to remember back then, husband and wife, I mean the two were considered one. That is the biblical precept… That is a family, that is voting. And so the head of the family is traditionally considered to be the husband and even biblically still continues to be so.”


Barton argued that in the time since the women’s suffrage movement succeeded in the United States, “we’ve moved into more of a family anarchy kind of thing.”

“[T]he bigotry we’re told they held back then, they didn’t hold,” he said. “And what they did was they put the family unit higher than the government unit and they tried to work hard to keep the family together.”

“And, as we can show in two or three hundred studies since then, the more you weaken the family, the more it hurts the entire culture and society.”

In conclusion, Barton asserted that denying women the right to vote was necessary for “a strong culture, a strong society, and it was based on a strong family that preceded government. And they crafted their policies to protect a strong family.”

What is with all these a's showing up? I feel like I am in Canada

strange that you only react to the Stoning and not to the Burning at the Stake!
Giardano Bruno ringing a Bell?

God barbarically killed millions of people in the Old Testament because they weren't fortunate enough to belong to the Israelite tribe. Had these alleged victims belonged to the lineage of Jacob, they obviously wouldn't have suffered the full wrath of God. However, what chances did they realistically have of converting to worship the Hebrew deity when their own parents conditioned them to think according to their local customs? Even today, God's evil demands require us to murder billions of non-Christians because their parents unknowingly continue to practice this same form of powerful conditioning. The consequences of obeying God's directions should give us the presence of mind to refrain from following such orders without first analyzing the morality of the demands in question. Widely distributed directions from a fair god should be moral or have a satisfactory explanation. Otherwise, we may be repeating the same evil accomplishments of our ancestors.

What logic is there in the fact that the being who promises us eternal life because of his love for all humankind is the same entity who orders us to kill a variety of people for morally bankrupt reasons? The biblical god is not wonderful and loving as Christians claim because these unenlightened followers base such crude assessments on the more positive New Testament. The God of the Old Testament, on the other hand, is pure evil and full of perpetual anger; he even admits as much. No one who creates and needlessly kills millions of people can honestly be called wonderful and loving, deity or not. Certainly, most people wouldn't think it was fair if they saw their fellow man being tortured just because his parents raised him with a different version of the creator. God even takes enjoyment in the fact that many people will never make it into Heaven. Regardless of your position on the issue, I believe we can all agree that God has quite a unique character about him, to say the least.

We've also come to realize that we can observe the following qualities of God: he exhibits immature rage when no one pays attention to him; he makes people suffer for what others have done; he has no regard for human life; and he tortures decent people for such reasons as winning bets with Satan. If we were to extract this behavior into human terms, we would most likely draw a comparison with that of a spoiled child. Because of an obvious state of fear and panic over similar reports heard by authors of the ancient Hebrew scriptures, they wrote and sang praises to this terrible creature thinking that such measures might assist in helping them escape his unconscionable wrath.

To top it all off, God conveniently ceased his murdering and slave driving when modern philosophers, enlightened thinking, and accurate historical records began to appear. However, Jesus did not invalidate the aforementioned rules and regulations with his teachings, as some apologists often claim, because the old laws were never intended to be cast aside. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil (Matthew 5:7). For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (Matthew 5:18). And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail (Luke 16:17). Amazingly, the perfect Jesus also tells us that we should abide by the old laws established by Moses. Something is definitely wrong here.

http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter9.html

Covers both my friend stoning, burning, or any other form of "judgement" someone will or has done in the past.

Matthew 5:39
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And of course

Matthew 7
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Thus the main reason we have absolutely no right to either burn at the stake or to hang anyone. For we are no better then them. A sin is a sin, there is no "level" on sins, again just point blank a sin is a sin. And how can one say not to do this while they're doing that?

The God of the old testament is the same exact God of the new testament. Just two different covenants and two different sets of laws.

Only real major difference between the two is how/when and who carries out the judgement. Before our peers carried out the judgement, now the Word has become flesh and does it himself.



That has almost nothing to do with anything. They weren't treated differently because they were part of the tribe. The Israelite's were doing God's will, thus why they weren't punished with whatever may be in question at the time and the reason why the other's were. God doesn't "favor" people. He just rewards his children and the rest go without.