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Topic: tragic, dont get lost in the south
alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 03/01/14 03:17 PM
It looks to me like the dead man's widow failed to properly take care of an Alzheimer's patient. Apparently, the man belonged in a facility dedicated to taking care of Alzheimer's patients. Such a facility would have someone on duty and awake 24/7. So, why wasn't the dead man put in such a facility? If he had been in such a facility, had wandered away and then been killed, you'd bet that his widow would sue the facility for negligence. that's true they are PAID for a certain level of care, unlike family members who have no gain from their care but still no less a tragedy that someone would leave the comfort and security INSIDE their home to go OUTSIDE and end up shooting a lost senior citizen,,,,,, In this particular case, if the Alzheimer's patient did not break into the home, then the shooter could have waited for the police to arrive instead of going outside. How can the shooting be in self defense if the shooter could have stayed inside? Simple, protection of property and the police owe no duty to protect.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 03/01/14 03:24 PM
and,of course,the story is conveniently quiet as to what Laws might apply! Whether he had to cower inside,or had the right to face a possible Intruder outside on his Property! But that would just be sensationalism as the law is quite explicit. We all have the right of property and can defend that property in any manner as appropriate. Even when the law bangs down your door without showing a warrant, you can gun every one of them down and if you make it out alive, walk away scott free.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Sat 03/01/14 03:31 PM
Even when the law bangs down your door without showing a warrant, you can gun every one of them down and if you make it out alive, walk away scott free. Well, you try that and tell us how it worked out.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 03/01/14 03:40 PM
As I understand it, there was a locked door between the old man and the shooter, and nothing indicates that the old man was able to get through the door. So, was it necessary for the shooter to unlock the door and pass through it? The question is not why but why not? And if the question should be why it would be why has this country degraded to a point the the concept of property has long been forgotten.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Sat 03/01/14 04:02 PM
As I understand it, there was a locked door between the old man and the shooter, and nothing indicates that the old man was able to get through the door. So, was it necessary for the shooter to unlock the door and pass through it? The question is not why but why not? And if the question should be why it would be why has this country degraded to a point the the concept of property has long been forgotten. I asked if it was necessary, not if the shooter had a right to.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sat 03/01/14 04:14 PM
Don't get lost in Compton. Don't get lost in N Vegas. Don't get lost in Chicago. The title of this thread is extreme bigotry, IMO.

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Sat 03/01/14 04:56 PM
As I understand it, there was a locked door between the old man and the shooter, and nothing indicates that the old man was able to get through the door. So, was it necessary for the shooter to unlock the door and pass through it? The question is not why but why not? And if the question should be why it would be why has this country degraded to a point the the concept of property has long been forgotten. I asked if it was necessary, not if the shooter had a right to. It happened, no charges filed, apparently whether it was necessary or not is no longer an issue, simply a sad incident. Cops shoot and kill innocents all the time and are rewarded with paid vacations for their actions, but you want to prosecute a home owner for defense of his property under possible threat? The man was told to stop, didn't, had an unidentified object in his hands while approaching, in the dark. Even if the flashlight were on, weapons can be concealed by shining a light in someones eyes.....as the police often do.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 03/01/14 05:02 PM
Even when the law bangs down your door without showing a warrant, you can gun every one of them down and if you make it out alive, walk away scott free. Well, you try that and tell us how it worked out. Sure... Texas Deputy Killed in Dawn No-Knock Drug Raid But Magee's attorney, famed Houston defense lawyer Dick DeGuerin, said Magee and his pregnant girlfriend were sleeping in the home when they heard "explosives" going off and loud pounding at the door. Moments later, the door burst open and a person Magee couldn't identify entered the residence. Magee grabbed a rifle leaning against his bedroom door frame and shot Sowders. According to DeGuerin, Magee shot him because he "believed the man rushing in was an intruder and he needed to defend himself." Henry Goedrich Magee Won't Be Indicted For Shooting Sergeant Adam Sowders "A grand jury has declined to charge a Central Texas man for killing a sheriff's deputy who entered his home to carry out a search warrant." Actually works just like it should.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 03/01/14 05:04 PM
As I understand it, there was a locked door between the old man and the shooter, and nothing indicates that the old man was able to get through the door. So, was it necessary for the shooter to unlock the door and pass through it? The question is not why but why not? And if the question should be why it would be why has this country degraded to a point the the concept of property has long been forgotten. I asked if it was necessary, not if the shooter had a right to. Your question was answered. Again yes, the police have no duty to protect, that would be up to the individual. The police are strictly after the fact.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Sat 03/01/14 08:09 PM
Don't get lost in Compton. Don't get lost in N Vegas. Don't get lost in Chicago. The title of this thread is extreme bigotry, IMO.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 03/01/14 08:16 PM
Don't get lost in Compton. Don't get lost in N Vegas. Don't get lost in Chicago. The title of this thread is extreme bigotry, IMO. Duh. Is this supposed to mean something other than a colored map. Did someone get their first grader a small box of crayons and see if they could stay within the lines?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48948	Sat 03/01/14 08:37 PM
Don't get lost in Compton. Don't get lost in N Vegas. Don't get lost in Chicago. The title of this thread is extreme bigotry, IMO. Duh. Is this supposed to mean something other than a colored map. Did someone get their first grader a small box of crayons and see if they could stay within the lines? Try reading the map key in the lower right-hand corner. It shows that the states with the deadliest gun cultures are the ones colored dark red, such as Illinois, California, New York and ( Gasp!) Nevada.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 03/01/14 08:52 PM
any map that shows where gun deaths are most leniently prosecuted or least prosecuted?

Surmar Joined Sun 02/17/13 Posts: 240	Sun 03/02/14 12:06 AM
Did the guy not think that the old man, was confused for a reason? Or does logic and common sense not play a part in real life anymore? That guy should be charged with murder? Plain and simple, he shot an old man in cold blood! Shooting someone once is enough? Four times though? That's an execution, from a trigger happy ex-soldier, that's what that is and there's no excuse for that! Police are trained to keep on shooting "UNTIL" the suspect is down; even after being shot a number of times, someone can still be a threat. Police Officers have been killed by people they've shot a number of times which is the reason why Police stopped using revolvers and now use Semi-Automatic Pistols that may hold as many as 19 Rounds with one in the chamber.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 03/02/14 01:44 AM
Don't get lost in Compton. Don't get lost in N Vegas. Don't get lost in Chicago. The title of this thread is extreme bigotry, IMO. Duh. Is this supposed to mean something other than a colored map. Did someone get their first grader a small box of crayons and see if they could stay within the lines? Try reading the map key in the lower right-hand corner. It shows that the states with the deadliest gun cultures are the ones colored dark red, such as Illinois, California, New York and ( Gasp!) Nevada.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 03/02/14 01:45 AM
Don't get lost in Compton. Don't get lost in N Vegas. Don't get lost in Chicago. The title of this thread is extreme bigotry, IMO. Duh. Is this supposed to mean something other than a colored map. Did someone get their first grader a small box of crayons and see if they could stay within the lines? Try reading the map key in the lower right-hand corner. It shows that the states with the deadliest gun cultures are the ones colored dark red, such as Illinois, California, New York and ( Gasp!) Nevada. So they got a small box of crayons and a pen. Was it Odumbo and Holdem that taught the coloring class. Still an absolutely useless coloring lesson.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 03/02/14 02:27 AM
Did the guy not think that the old man, was confused for a reason? Or does logic and common sense not play a part in real life anymore? That guy should be charged with murder? Plain and simple, he shot an old man in cold blood! Shooting someone once is enough? Four times though? That's an execution, from a trigger happy ex-soldier, that's what that is and there's no excuse for that! Police are trained to keep on shooting "UNTIL" the suspect is down; even after being shot a number of times, someone can still be a threat. Police Officers have been killed by people they've shot a number of times which is the reason why Police stopped using revolvers and now use Semi-Automatic Pistols that may hold as many as 19 Rounds with one in the chamber. police also carry tasers to take people 'down', because shooting isn't the only option and I think there are plenty of trigger happy police officers who shouldn't be on the streets with guns too,,,

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 03/02/14 03:06 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 03/02/14 03:10 AM
Did the guy not think that the old man, was confused for a reason? Or does logic and common sense not play a part in real life anymore? That guy should be charged with murder? Plain and simple, he shot an old man in cold blood! Shooting someone once is enough? Four times though? That's an execution, from a trigger happy ex-soldier, that's what that is and there's no excuse for that! Police are trained to keep on shooting "UNTIL" the suspect is down; even after being shot a number of times, someone can still be a threat. Police Officers have been killed by people they've shot a number of times which is the reason why Police stopped using revolvers and now use Semi-Automatic Pistols that may hold as many as 19 Rounds with one in the chamber. police also carry tasers to take people 'down', because shooting isn't the only option and I think there are plenty of trigger happy police officers who shouldn't be on the streets with guns too,,, Best argument for Guncontrol................ .............on the Government! yep,try tase someone who is shooting at you! Or even Pepperspray them!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 03/02/14 03:09 AM
of course one would consider the circumstances unarmed perps can be taken down with tasers someone with a gun, might require something more potentially fatal

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sun 03/02/14 03:20 AM
of course one would consider the circumstances unarmed perps can be taken down with tasers someone with a gun, might require something more potentially fatal Glad you are doing Security-Work now!