Topic: AP reports a REAL racist act
Ras427's photo
Sun 02/23/14 08:19 AM

With all of the false claims of racism that we are exposed to, it is easy to overlook a real case of racism when it happens.

Now, the Associated Press is reporting a case of actual racism that took place on the campus of the University of Mississippi.

OXFORD, Miss. (AP) - A fraternity chapter at the University of Mississippi was indefinitely suspended Friday by its national organization and three of its freshman members were kicked out because of their suspected involvement in hanging a noose on a statue of James Meredith, the first black student to enroll in the then all-white college.

In a statement, Sigma Phi Epsilon said it suspended the Alpha Chapter at the university and the chapter voted to expel all three men and turn over their identities to investigators.

Police on Sunday found a noose tied around the neck of the statue, along with an old Georgia flag with a Confederate battle emblem in its design, which has since been updated to exclude the emblem.

When Meredith tried to enter Ole Miss in fall 1962, Mississippi's governor tried to stop him. That led to violence on the Oxford campus.

U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy sent 500 U.S. marshals to take control and days later, Meredith was allowed in the school. Though he faced harassment, he graduated with a degree in political science.


Of course, this particular incident is an isolated case. That's why it is newsworthy, because we are now in the 21st Century C.E., and such acts of racism are the rare exception, not the rule.


There is no such thing as isolated incidents, this nation has been grappling with racism it's entire history. So much for isolated incidents, I suppose that the recent similar case in a high school in Philipsburg regarding a wrestling teams picture with a noose over the neck of a dummy is isolated as well.

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Sun 02/23/14 08:20 AM

No matter ones position, racism is alive and well in America, no amount of denial, minimizing, selectivity, ignorance justifying will change that fact, proof? just read the comments made daily on these forums. In fact, this thread is basicly a race baiting attempt disguised as dialogue.

got Hammer?laugh

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Sun 02/23/14 08:32 AM


With all of the false claims of racism that we are exposed to, it is easy to overlook a real case of racism when it happens.

Now, the Associated Press is reporting a case of actual racism that took place on the campus of the University of Mississippi.

OXFORD, Miss. (AP) - A fraternity chapter at the University of Mississippi was indefinitely suspended Friday by its national organization and three of its freshman members were kicked out because of their suspected involvement in hanging a noose on a statue of James Meredith, the first black student to enroll in the then all-white college.

In a statement, Sigma Phi Epsilon said it suspended the Alpha Chapter at the university and the chapter voted to expel all three men and turn over their identities to investigators.

Police on Sunday found a noose tied around the neck of the statue, along with an old Georgia flag with a Confederate battle emblem in its design, which has since been updated to exclude the emblem.

When Meredith tried to enter Ole Miss in fall 1962, Mississippi's governor tried to stop him. That led to violence on the Oxford campus.

U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy sent 500 U.S. marshals to take control and days later, Meredith was allowed in the school. Though he faced harassment, he graduated with a degree in political science.


Of course, this particular incident is an isolated case. That's why it is newsworthy, because we are now in the 21st Century C.E., and such acts of racism are the rare exception, not the rule.


There is no such thing as isolated incidents, this nation has been grappling with racism it's entire history. So much for isolated incidents, I suppose that the recent similar case in a high school in Philipsburg regarding a wrestling teams picture with a noose over the neck of a dummy is isolated as well.


Not to be confused, some deeds are racist and some are just bad taste pranks.

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Sun 02/23/14 09:13 AM

Overt acts of racism are relatively rare, yes. But covert, thinly veiled racism has been on the rise in the last few years, because the frightened white right is increasingly uncomfortable with a person of color in the White House. They believed, perhaps, that he was a 1 term President, a fluke, a mistake that would be corrected in 2012. When their golden child fell far short of expectations at election time, social media was abuzz with overt racism, and it has continued, albeit with less full blown media exposure, since. And because of predictions that whites will become the minority sooner rather than later, as compared with all the other visible minorities, they have ramped up both the rhetoric and the hatred. I can only wonder about the explosion of misogynistic hatred when Hillary gets elected.


Really!!

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Sun 02/23/14 09:15 AM


I think this is complete BS. The people who were racist didn't change. Obama has caught a lot flack because of the poor job he has done, not because he is black. Obama defenders use race as an excuse to defend him. Period.



Exactly!!

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Sun 02/23/14 09:18 AM

No, the people who were racist to begin with have not changed. But they have become a lot more vocal, particularly in the last 2 years. A myopic view? Well, perhaps by your definition. However, I participate or read many discussion forums, and have done so for many years. It is disturbing to read some of the more recent postings, recent referring to the last couple of years. I also have a different perspective as I do not live in the US. While most media outlets report many of the same stories, some of these are sanitized better than others.

It is most interesting that the context of racism is automatically assumed to be white versus black. This is simply NOT the case. While the posted story is an example of that very thing, there is increasing racism directed towards Hispanic and non-Christian Americans than ever before. A little effort with online searches will yield some interesting results.


Of course you have, but what does that have to do with it. An ill conceived thought is ill conceived no matter how many times it is displayed.

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Sun 02/23/14 09:26 AM


I agree.

I think blatant racism is now what homosexuality used to be before,, ie,, stigmatized

I think perhaps people feel more comfortable EXPOSING their feelings and beliefs when they aren't so highly stigmatized

thus , just like homosexuality becomes more and more seemingly prevalent,

racism has become and seems less seemingly prevalent


fewer people are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer people are racist,,and there are now many more drapes to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath,,,


Except for Odumboites in defending the indefensible. Why defend, just declare it racist.

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Sun 02/23/14 09:31 AM

No matter ones position, racism is alive and well in America, no amount of denial, minimizing, selectivity, ignorance justifying will change that fact, proof? just read the comments made daily on these forums. In fact, this thread is basicly a race baiting attempt disguised as dialogue.


Ah sir, it is more than alive, it is a fire with the flames constantly fanned and new fuel constantly supplies in ever larger quantities.

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Sun 02/23/14 11:31 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 02/23/14 11:32 AM


fewer people are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer people are racist,,and there are now many more drapes to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath,,,


What you are saying is that racism must be there even if there is no evidence for it.

How about we take that argument to its logical conclusion?

For example ...

... fewer Democrats are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer Democrats are racist,,and there are now many more drapes for Democrats to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath.




no one said 'must' about anything

much like Christians know God is there

some people know racism is there,, even if they could never convince non believers of it,,

but logically, we know that BIGOTRY is real, and so why wouldn't racism (a racially based bigotry) be real

ESPECIALLY considering how long it existed in the fabric of American hiostry through (race based and generaational)slavery and jim crow laws?



Ras427's photo
Sun 02/23/14 11:45 AM



With all of the false claims of racism that we are exposed to, it is easy to overlook a real case of racism when it happens.

Now, the Associated Press is reporting a case of actual racism that took place on the campus of the University of Mississippi.

OXFORD, Miss. (AP) - A fraternity chapter at the University of Mississippi was indefinitely suspended Friday by its national organization and three of its freshman members were kicked out because of their suspected involvement in hanging a noose on a statue of James Meredith, the first black student to enroll in the then all-white college.

In a statement, Sigma Phi Epsilon said it suspended the Alpha Chapter at the university and the chapter voted to expel all three men and turn over their identities to investigators.

Police on Sunday found a noose tied around the neck of the statue, along with an old Georgia flag with a Confederate battle emblem in its design, which has since been updated to exclude the emblem.

When Meredith tried to enter Ole Miss in fall 1962, Mississippi's governor tried to stop him. That led to violence on the Oxford campus.

U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy sent 500 U.S. marshals to take control and days later, Meredith was allowed in the school. Though he faced harassment, he graduated with a degree in political science.


Of course, this particular incident is an isolated case. That's why it is newsworthy, because we are now in the 21st Century C.E., and such acts of racism are the rare exception, not the rule.


There is no such thing as isolated incidents, this nation has been grappling with racism it's entire history. So much for isolated incidents, I suppose that the recent similar case in a high school in Philipsburg regarding a wrestling teams picture with a noose over the neck of a dummy is isolated as well.


Not to be confused, some deeds are racist and some are just bad taste pranks.
bad taste pranks is just a disguised manifestation of what is in the heart and a means to justify the action. A non racist would not use such as a prank, if he does, then he is expressing a rooted belief.

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Sun 02/23/14 11:46 AM



fewer people are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer people are racist,,and there are now many more drapes to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath,,,


What you are saying is that racism must be there even if there is no evidence for it.

How about we take that argument to its logical conclusion?

For example ...

... fewer Democrats are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer Democrats are racist,,and there are now many more drapes for Democrats to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath.




no one said 'must' about anything

much like Christians know God is there

some people know racism is there,, even if they could never convince non believers of it,,

but logically, we know that BIGOTRY is real, and so why wouldn't racism (a racially based bigotry) be real

ESPECIALLY considering how long it existed in the fabric of American hiostry through (race based and generaational)slavery and jim crow laws?



precisely

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Sun 02/23/14 12:03 PM




fewer people are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer people are racist,,and there are now many more drapes to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath,,,


What you are saying is that racism must be there even if there is no evidence for it.

How about we take that argument to its logical conclusion?

For example ...

... fewer Democrats are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer Democrats are racist,,and there are now many more drapes for Democrats to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath.




no one said 'must' about anything

much like Christians know God is there

some people know racism is there,, even if they could never convince non believers of it,,

but logically, we know that BIGOTRY is real, and so why wouldn't racism (a racially based bigotry) be real

ESPECIALLY considering how long it existed in the fabric of American hiostry through (race based and generaational)slavery and jim crow laws?



precisely


And so, the solution is?

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/23/14 12:17 PM
the solution is changing perceptions, changing attitudes, changing values

but its very difficult to do without proper backing,,,,

no photo
Sun 02/23/14 12:23 PM

the solution is changing perceptions, changing attitudes, changing values

but its very difficult to do without proper backing,,,,


I find this setimint to be absolutely humorist.

And to what backing would be proper? Let me guess, taxes.

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/23/14 12:37 PM



Overt acts of racism are relatively rare, yes. But covert, thinly veiled racism has been on the rise in the last few years, because the frightened white right is increasingly uncomfortable with a person of color in the White House. They believed, perhaps, that he was a 1 term President, a fluke, a mistake that would be corrected in 2012. When their golden child fell far short of expectations at election time, social media was abuzz with overt racism, and it has continued, albeit with less full blown media exposure, since. And because of predictions that whites will become the minority sooner rather than later, as compared with all the other visible minorities, they have ramped up both the rhetoric and the hatred. I can only wonder about the explosion of misogynistic hatred when Hillary gets elected.


I agree.

I think blatant racism is now what homosexuality used to be before,, ie,, stigmatized

I think perhaps people feel more comfortable EXPOSING their feelings and beliefs when they aren't so highly stigmatized

thus , just like homosexuality becomes more and more seemingly prevalent,

racism has become and seems less seemingly prevalent


fewer people are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer people are racist,,and there are now many more drapes to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath,,,


how is it racism against homos? they are many different races

you people are just throwing that word around like you know what it means..


please read again

nowhere was it stated any reference to 'racsim' against homos

the point was about BIGOTRY,, much like there is bigotry against any number of demographics (body weight, religious affiliatin, political affiliation, race, gender, etc,,,)

there is BIGOTRY against race


and ANY behavior, from bigotry to sexual lifestyle, is generally presented more OPENLY when it isn't stigmatized

like homosexual behavior has started to become less stigmatized and more 'fashionable' , leading to it being more OPENLY expressed

on the contrary

racist BEHAVIOR has become more stigmatized , leading to it being less OPENLY expressed (except in anonymous venues like the internet,,lol)


msharmony's photo
Sun 02/23/14 12:39 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 02/23/14 12:43 PM


the solution is changing perceptions, changing attitudes, changing values

but its very difficult to do without proper backing,,,,


I find this setimint to be absolutely humorist.

And to what backing would be proper? Let me guess, taxes.


hmm, what 'backing' helped switch the idea of leave it to beaver or cosby, into real housewives of la or Atlanta?

MONEY, private and public, funds our media and our schools, directs what is tought and promoted,, MONEY backs change

and those with that money provide the BACKING for such changes to occur culturally,,

money , unfortunately, is the resource which rules the world, and its cultures,,

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/23/14 12:42 PM





Overt acts of racism are relatively rare, yes. But covert, thinly veiled racism has been on the rise in the last few years, because the frightened white right is increasingly uncomfortable with a person of color in the White House. They believed, perhaps, that he was a 1 term President, a fluke, a mistake that would be corrected in 2012. When their golden child fell far short of expectations at election time, social media was abuzz with overt racism, and it has continued, albeit with less full blown media exposure, since. And because of predictions that whites will become the minority sooner rather than later, as compared with all the other visible minorities, they have ramped up both the rhetoric and the hatred. I can only wonder about the explosion of misogynistic hatred when Hillary gets elected.


I agree.

I think blatant racism is now what homosexuality used to be before,, ie,, stigmatized

I think perhaps people feel more comfortable EXPOSING their feelings and beliefs when they aren't so highly stigmatized

thus , just like homosexuality becomes more and more seemingly prevalent,

racism has become and seems less seemingly prevalent


fewer people are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer people are racist,,and there are now many more drapes to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath,,,

well,as they say,if the only Tool you have is a Hammer,soon everything will look like Nails!pitchfork


who said anything about 'everything' looking like racism?

lol


I think that he was referring to your eyes Ms.



hard for someone else to see something through my eyes isn't it?

I see racism, I don't see racism in everything,

seeing something EVERYWHERE , corruption, racism, Obama, lol

would suggest some mental or emotional disturbance,,lol

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Sun 02/23/14 12:43 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Sun 02/23/14 12:44 PM

hmm, what 'backing' helped switch the idea of leave it to beaver or cosby, into real housewives of la or Atlanta?


The ones who gave us "Real Housewives" are the people in Hollywood who decide what kind of TV shows are made, the same people who routinely raise funds for Democrat politicians.

msharmony's photo
Sun 02/23/14 12:44 PM


hmm, what 'backing' helped switch the idea of leave it to beaver or cosby, into real housewives of la or Atlanta?


The ones who gave us "Real Housewives" are the people in Hollywood who decide what kind of TV shows are made, the same people who routinely raise funds for Democrat politicians.


lol, Id research that one if I were you

but, in any case,, Hollywood is not the only place that puts out media, but the backers of that media are sill those with the money and wealth(ie resources) to do so

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Sun 02/23/14 12:51 PM
racist BEHAVIOR has become more stigmatized , leading to it being less OPENLY expressed (except in anonymous venues like the internet,,lol)


As I said earlier, fewer Democrats are 'OUT' with their racism, but not necessarily because fewer Democrats are racist, and there are now many more drapes for Democrats to hide behind that seem 'legitimate' and to hide the racism underneath.

Occasionally a racist will openly express racism. For example ...



Then there is the new racism that is occasionally expressed ...