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Topic: If you hate war
willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 02/03/14 12:13 PM
and was homeless and/or unemployed, would you take a $30.00 per hour job in a military munitions plant or help build machines of war?

funkyfranky Joined Tue 05/01/12 Posts: 5966	Mon 02/03/14 12:17 PM
and was homeless and/or unemployed, would you take a $30.00 per hour job in a military munitions plant or help build machines of war? WOW, that is a tough question. I don't think my concience would let me, I would have to have a long long think about that one. I do love the UK and US military though so lots of love to all of them. United we stand

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 02/03/14 12:22 PM
I honor them as well. Used to be a gubament trained and paid killer.

funkyfranky Joined Tue 05/01/12 Posts: 5966	Mon 02/03/14 12:25 PM
I honor them as well. Used to be a gubament trained and paid killer. gubament??? whats one of them

GoodCountryGirl Joined Tue 01/21/14 Posts: 41	Mon 02/03/14 12:34 PM
Gotta love our military!! They are the best in the world:) Thank y'all for your service!! :)

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 02/03/14 12:39 PM
I honor them as well. Used to be a gubament trained and paid killer. gubament??? whats one of them It's code for government. Now,I just got flagged by them. The topic is, would you hold to your values and ethics by not accepting a well paying job that has any part in making and maintain war?

sybariticguy Joined Thu 09/27/12 Posts: 1639	Mon 02/03/14 12:39 PM
and was homeless and/or unemployed, would you take a $30.00 per hour job in a military munitions plant or help build machines of war? WOW, that is a tough question. I don't think my concience would let me, I would have to have a long long think about that one. I do love the UK and US military though so lots of love to all of them. United we stand [/quote Better to let ones kids starve than help out in someone one has no control over.. duh

funkyfranky Joined Tue 05/01/12 Posts: 5966	Mon 02/03/14 12:41 PM
and was homeless and/or unemployed, would you take a $30.00 per hour job in a military munitions plant or help build machines of war? WOW, that is a tough question. I don't think my concience would let me, I would have to have a long long think about that one. I do love the UK and US military though so lots of love to all of them. United we stand [/quote Better to let ones kids starve than help out in someone one has no control over.. duh Can you repeat that, read it again, its confusing

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 02/03/14 12:44 PM
and was homeless and/or unemployed, would you take a $30.00 per hour job in a military munitions plant or help build machines of war? WOW, that is a tough question. I don't think my concience would let me, I would have to have a long long think about that one. I do love the UK and US military though so lots of love to all of them. United we stand [/quote Better to let ones kids starve than help out in someone one has no control over.. duh Can you repeat that, read it again, its confusing Not sure but, I think he's saying ethics and values can go to hell?

isaac_dede Joined Sat 11/24/07 Posts: 10632	Mon 02/03/14 12:53 PM
Yes I would, the reason is because War is going to happen whether or not you work there, if you don't someone else will.....maybe someone who does like war(personally I don't know anyone that does, but many do see that sometimes it is necessary) So choice A, let someone else take the Job, they spend their 30/hr on guns/ammo/ or donating to their pro war causes. or choice B. You take the 30/hr, spend it on things that help war orphans, or donating to an anti-war cause. My point is, War is bad yes, but if you can take even a small percentage of that companies profit and use it for something good why not?

wickeddesires Joined Fri 12/20/13 Posts: 43	Mon 02/03/14 12:55 PM
The question is too simple. It can be expanded too: mining for ore, baking muffins, power petrochemical, utilities, machining, administration, research, robotics, etc What percentage of the current work force, per country, jobs directly, or indirectly, depend on the war machine. A lot if you’re American British French etc And I am guessing the all pay more than $30 dollars a day. So no It can also be expanded on who and why the ordnance is being used. Will it save more lives – What if it’s utilized for oppression and how and who decides on morality Why is the person homeless – no one should be put onto the streets…albeit its more common in America than Europe

alok99 Joined Wed 11/21/12 Posts: 65	Mon 02/03/14 12:59 PM
Yes I would, the reason is because War is going to happen whether or not you work there, if you don't someone else will.....maybe someone who does like war(personally I don't know anyone that does, but many do see that sometimes it is necessary) So choice A, let someone else take the Job, they spend their 30/hr on guns/ammo/ or donating to their pro war causes. or choice B. You take the 30/hr, spend it on things that help war orphans, or donating to an anti-war cause. My point is, War is bad yes, but if you can take even a small percentage of that companies profit and use it for something good why not? War is just an example the main question which i think he is trying to ask is that would you compromise your ethics and values for money in a situation of poverty and hunger?

funkyfranky Joined Tue 05/01/12 Posts: 5966	Mon 02/03/14 01:17 PM
and was homeless and/or unemployed, would you take a $30.00 per hour job in a military munitions plant or help build machines of war? WOW, that is a tough question. I don't think my concience would let me, I would have to have a long long think about that one. I do love the UK and US military though so lots of love to all of them. United we stand [/quote Better to let ones kids starve than help out in someone one has no control over.. duh Can you repeat that, read it again, its confusing Not sure but, I think he's saying ethics and values can go to hell? He obviously didn't read my answer properly. I said I would have to have a long long think about that one

isaac_dede Joined Sat 11/24/07 Posts: 10632	Mon 02/03/14 01:27 PM Edited by isaac_dede on Mon 02/03/14 01:28 PM
Yes I would, the reason is because War is going to happen whether or not you work there, if you don't someone else will.....maybe someone who does like war(personally I don't know anyone that does, but many do see that sometimes it is necessary) So choice A, let someone else take the Job, they spend their 30/hr on guns/ammo/ or donating to their pro war causes. or choice B. You take the 30/hr, spend it on things that help war orphans, or donating to an anti-war cause. My point is, War is bad yes, but if you can take even a small percentage of that companies profit and use it for something good why not? War is just an example the main question which i think he is trying to ask is that would you compromise your ethics and values for money in a situation of poverty and hunger? I think I wouldn't "DIRECTLY" compromise my ethics, but I also understand I don't have a choice "indirectly" meaning if I hate war, I'm not going to sign up as a sniper, and actually go to war, but thinking that working in a plant, whether for munitions or not, I don't see as the same thing(but that's me), The reason is because where do you stop on the latter? Do you refuse to work for a clothing manufacture if part of their products make uniforms? Do you refuse to work for a packaging company because they happen to also package MRE's? Do you refuse to work for an oil company because some of their fuel goes to power "the machines of war?" Do you refuse to work Office Supply company that has government contracts to provide office supplies for military bases? I could go on and on, but you see my point, I think it is how you look at it, and life is what you make it(or don't make it) but if I was homeless and got offered a non-violent job I would take it.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 02/03/14 01:30 PM
i think he is trying to ask is that would you compromise your ethics and values for money in a situation of poverty and hunger? Precisely.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 02/03/14 01:35 PM
and was homeless and/or unemployed, would you take a $30.00 per hour job in a military munitions plant or help build machines of war? i read somewhere they did that in Japan, with the clean up from the radiation... all voluntary, but a lot more hazardous than munitions...

soufiehere Joined Sat 10/24/09 Posts: 45395	Mon 02/03/14 01:38 PM Edited by soufiehere on Mon 02/03/14 01:45 PM
Everyone hates war. Yes, to support my family I could easily do it. That is no compromise. I also would not stop paying my taxes and we all know where that goes.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 02/03/14 01:39 PM
ethics aside..., whether you work there or not, the war will still go on... someone will do it, it will get made... why not?

alok99 Joined Wed 11/21/12 Posts: 65	Mon 02/03/14 01:40 PM
Yes I would, the reason is because War is going to happen whether or not you work there, if you don't someone else will.....maybe someone who does like war(personally I don't know anyone that does, but many do see that sometimes it is necessary) So choice A, let someone else take the Job, they spend their 30/hr on guns/ammo/ or donating to their pro war causes. or choice B. You take the 30/hr, spend it on things that help war orphans, or donating to an anti-war cause. My point is, War is bad yes, but if you can take even a small percentage of that companies profit and use it for something good why not? War is just an example the main question which i think he is trying to ask is that would you compromise your ethics and values for money in a situation of poverty and hunger? I think I wouldn't "DIRECTLY" compromise my ethics, but I also understand I don't have a choice "indirectly" meaning if I hate war, I'm not going to sign up as a sniper, and actually go to war, but thinking that working in a plant, whether for munitions or not, I don't see as the same thing(but that's me), The reason is because where do you stop on the latter? Do you refuse to work for a clothing manufacture if part of their products make uniforms? Do you refuse to work for a packaging company because they happen to also package MRE's? Do you refuse to work for an oil company because some of their fuel goes to power "the machines of war?" Do you refuse to work Office Supply company that has government contracts to provide office supplies for military bases? I could go on and on, but you see my point, I think it is how you look at it, and life is what you make it(or don't make it) but if I was homeless and got offered a non-violent job I would take it. I got ur point but if we take this particular example of war then the question arises why would one hate war?only ans would be coz he don't like the death of hundred of innocent caused by war. In such case would you directly indulge in making bomb or munition which according to you would cause the deaths which you lament.It is not similar to other conditions you mentioned as they are not directly connected to deaths as making of ammunition and bombs.The very bomb you would make would be the cause of death of many.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 02/03/14 01:47 PM
Same question could refer to abortion. If the thought of women getting abortions and you was 100% against them, would you take a job at an abortion clinic to feed your family? War, abortion. They both attribute to the death of innocence and innocents, no? So. Some believe death of others is justifiable as long as a buck can be made?