Topic: Africa sees violent, deadly start to 2014
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Sun 01/26/14 05:23 PM
sigh

and this is the BEST EXAMPLE of why there isn't a 'need' for a 'white entertainment television' or any other set aside labeled 'white',,,, its been historically understood to be 'white'

and btw the us is a country, EUROPE is a continent

US has a different geography than EUROPE and a different racial history

England has maybe a four percent population of black people and the united kingdom has about three percent

and in the UK there is even divide amongst those who wish to just be 'brits' and those who wish to be recognized as 'welsh' or irish' or scot


countries in Europe , have similar problems in their history, but it is more bound in nationality than race, because the NATIONS are so close in proximity and boundaries and power are a historically divisive issue

America, has states, that are all within America,, so the boundaries there aren't an issue , neither is the power (anymore)

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Sun 01/26/14 05:34 PM


this is analogous to political labels 'promoting' political tenson

cant we put aside prejudices of liberal or conservative or republican or democrat and just be 'americans'?



Absolutely not and what do these other ideological labels have to do with African American?



its a label,, just as one might choose to refer to someone as 'black', instead of 'just american'

others, particularly in referring to THEMSELVES, choose the label 'African american'



Again you would be absolutely incorrect. All ethnicities are just American if they accept the American belief of life, liberty and prosperity. But the last time I looked, there was no African nation within the Americas. Africa is it's own continent with it's own nations. You could be a Brazilian American or a Peruvian American or Mexican American but they aren't African. Conversely, you could be an Egyptian African, South African African, Saudi Arabian African but they aren't American.



not everything is personal or someones 'fault' some things just ARE

like the (American) English vocabulary and how it grows



You seem to like to use terms very loosely and then try to claim they are an exact meaning. English is bad enough with the three distinct languages and then all the local slang dialects without the impedience of not understanding to which you are referring. Personally I prefer Black's Law as it takes more than a thousand years to change a definition, a very stable dialect. But Benjamin Franklin had a quote for the behavior of refusing to learn:

"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid."
- Benjamin Franklin

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Sun 01/26/14 05:38 PM

actually, society will not see you as 'negro' anymore than they will see me as 'male'

its not MERELY what we want to state we are, there has to be some other qualifiers as well

'negroes',, according to one post here is an inferior person, I hope you don't consider yourself such,, I don't

black is an absence of light, almost always used as a negative connotation semantically, I don't prefer to view myself with that label either

there are plenty of 'labels' having to do with ancestral history, asthetics and social place,,,,,,,but I relate most to 'African american'

moreso than 'black' or 'negro' or even 'colored',,,,



society will never see you as a 'negro', or 'black' or 'colored,, but you can label yourself that way if you wish,,,


So the sum total of this hogwash is that you refuse to be anything other than a slave, a victim. You prefer to maintain racial tension and refuse to be equal.

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Sun 01/26/14 05:40 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 01/26/14 05:43 PM
America is a nation, American is a nationality

where one is born is what will most often determine their NATIONALITY

where one is born doesn't contribute to their RACE as that refers to the geographical location of their ANCESTORS and how they are viewed ASTHETICALLY within their nation of birth

nationality really is a different issue than 'racial' category


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Sun 01/26/14 05:42 PM


actually, society will not see you as 'negro' anymore than they will see me as 'male'

its not MERELY what we want to state we are, there has to be some other qualifiers as well

'negroes',, according to one post here is an inferior person, I hope you don't consider yourself such,, I don't

black is an absence of light, almost always used as a negative connotation semantically, I don't prefer to view myself with that label either

there are plenty of 'labels' having to do with ancestral history, asthetics and social place,,,,,,,but I relate most to 'African american'

moreso than 'black' or 'negro' or even 'colored',,,,



society will never see you as a 'negro', or 'black' or 'colored,, but you can label yourself that way if you wish,,,


So the sum total of this hogwash is that you refuse to be anything other than a slave, a victim. You prefer to maintain racial tension and refuse to be equal.


no, the sum total is that no one else can give me my name or beat me into calling myself what they want me to , exactly the opposite of slaves with slave names forced upon them by others,,,


,,,I have options in my speech, with real DEFINITIONS for the words I use, and I will continue with the freedom to CHOOSE which appropriate word/definition to use for MYSELF,,,,,

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Sun 01/26/14 05:45 PM
So, you claim Mr. alnewman doesn't have a clue?
Yours are the only right answers and any others are just ignorant babble?

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Sun 01/26/14 05:46 PM

,,,I have options in my speech, with real DEFINITIONS for the words I use, and I will continue with the freedom to CHOOSE which appropriate word/definition to use for MYSELF,,,,,


Bravo, msharmony! :thumbsup:

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Sun 01/26/14 05:51 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 01/26/14 05:52 PM

So, you claim Mr. alnewman doesn't have a clue?
Yours are the only right answers and any others are just ignorant babble?



lol, am I on candid camera? seriously...

rofl rofl rofl rofl

ok, Ill play,, so you claim that blacks are inferior and whites are the only ones who are 'deserving' of the freedoms and rights in America?


<sarcasm>


do people really see these things they claim to respond to , even when they are NOWHERE mentioned in the thread,???

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Sun 01/26/14 05:57 PM

sigh

and this is the BEST EXAMPLE of why there isn't a 'need' for a 'white entertainment television' or any other set aside labeled 'white',,,, its been historically understood to be 'white'



Really and why is there a BET and not a WET? So should there also be a MET, a CET, a RET, a PET, a JET... Where do we stop? No it is just those that want to maintain the tension and that refuses to be considered an equal.



and btw the us is a country, EUROPE is a continent



And by the way, Europe is many countries and all are considered white. The original settlers where from all of Europe but England, Spain and France were the dominate nations. But again, no understanding of the language and a desire to maintain tension.



US has a different geography than EUROPE and a different racial history

England has maybe a four percent population of black people and the united kingdom has about three percent

and in the UK there is even divide amongst those who wish to just be 'brits' and those who wish to be recognized as 'welsh' or irish' or scot



Yes, there was and is a different society and the blacks that were slaves more readily accepted their place and became equal.

And the United Kingdom is just that, a united kingdom consisting of the different kingdoms. They are united unto the world but divided amongst themselves. Only the Brits want to be Brits as it is an insult to the others to be called a "brit". But unlike here, they maintain their ancestral ties upon their ancestral lands.



countries in Europe , have similar problems in their history, but it is more bound in nationality than race, because the NATIONS are so close in proximity and boundaries and power are a historically divisive issue

America, has states, that are all within America,, so the boundaries there aren't an issue , neither is the power (anymore)


And again you would be wrong but you need to do your own history lessons.

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Sun 01/26/14 05:57 PM


So, you claim Mr. alnewman doesn't have a clue?
Yours are the only right answers and any others are just ignorant babble?



lol, am I on candid camera? seriously...

rofl rofl rofl rofl

ok, Ill play,, so you claim that blacks are inferior and whites are the only ones who are 'deserving' of the freedoms and rights in America?





do people really see these things they claim to respond to , even when they are NOWHERE mentioned in the thread,???


There. The sign clarifies for those who don't get it.

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Sun 01/26/14 06:05 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 01/26/14 06:07 PM
this says it all

'
Yes, there was and is a different society and the blacks that were slaves more readily accepted their place and became equal. '


my place, my ancestors place, my parents place has been whatever the hell we decided it should be,, not what someone else dictated we had to 'accept'

the 'place' is and was one of 'equal' access and 'equal' rights,,,,


so yeah,, in WALES you will see that many HATE the English,, because th ENGLISH (From their perspective) came in and robbed them of their ancestral ties, customs, and traditions and FORCED English customs and traditions upon them and treated them in too many instances, as second class,,,,



and when they hear each other 'speak' in the 'united' kingdom they absolutely discriminate and have prejudices,, the difference is that is a NATIONALISTIC bigotry intertwined in their history and their 'nationality' could change between generations depending upon where they were BORN,,,,


there are too many differences here to even debate with those who so obviously feel we should just stop at white as the status quo and mandate everyone else just accept their 'place' to be an American,,,,



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Sun 01/26/14 06:07 PM

America is a nation, American is a nationality

where one is born is what will most often determine their NATIONALITY

where one is born doesn't contribute to their RACE as that refers to the geographical location of their ANCESTORS and how they are viewed ASTHETICALLY within their nation of birth

nationality really is a different issue than 'racial' category




This makes absolutely no sense at all. America is a continent divided into three distinct regions; North, South and Central. And American is not a nationality but a misnomer applied to citizens of these united States.

A Mexican or Brazilian, or Canadian are all Americans living on the Americas continent. Even our passport doesn't say American, it says the "United States of America". Inside it states that the bearer is a United States citizen.

Again, absolutely no concept of the language so you must truly be African living in the United States of America. You definitely don't belong to these united States.

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Sun 01/26/14 06:11 PM

so yeah,, in WALES you will see that many HATE the English,, because th ENGLISH (From their perspective) came in and robbed them of their ancestral ties, customs, and traditions and FORCED English customs and traditions upon them and treated them in too many instances, as second class,,,,


That is how the bloody Sassanach treated everyone who wasn't English. At one time, the Sassanach tried to eliminate the Scottish culture.

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Sun 01/26/14 06:12 PM



actually, society will not see you as 'negro' anymore than they will see me as 'male'

its not MERELY what we want to state we are, there has to be some other qualifiers as well

'negroes',, according to one post here is an inferior person, I hope you don't consider yourself such,, I don't

black is an absence of light, almost always used as a negative connotation semantically, I don't prefer to view myself with that label either

there are plenty of 'labels' having to do with ancestral history, asthetics and social place,,,,,,,but I relate most to 'African american'

moreso than 'black' or 'negro' or even 'colored',,,,



society will never see you as a 'negro', or 'black' or 'colored,, but you can label yourself that way if you wish,,,


So the sum total of this hogwash is that you refuse to be anything other than a slave, a victim. You prefer to maintain racial tension and refuse to be equal.


no, the sum total is that no one else can give me my name or beat me into calling myself what they want me to , exactly the opposite of slaves with slave names forced upon them by others,,,


,,,I have options in my speech, with real DEFINITIONS for the words I use, and I will continue with the freedom to CHOOSE which appropriate word/definition to use for MYSELF,,,,,


Don't have to beat you, you readily accept your position.

And no there are no options in the language except in the definition and failure to use the correct definition in the correct place can result in involuntary servitude, alias a legal slave.

So remain ignorant of the language, it is to your peril, not mine, I understand it.

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Sun 01/26/14 06:13 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 01/26/14 06:15 PM


America is a nation, American is a nationality

where one is born is what will most often determine their NATIONALITY

where one is born doesn't contribute to their RACE as that refers to the geographical location of their ANCESTORS and how they are viewed ASTHETICALLY within their nation of birth

nationality really is a different issue than 'racial' category




This makes absolutely no sense at all. America is a continent divided into three distinct regions; North, South and Central. And American is not a nationality but a misnomer applied to citizens of these united States.

A Mexican or Brazilian, or Canadian are all Americans living on the Americas continent. Even our passport doesn't say American, it says the "United States of America". Inside it states that the bearer is a United States citizen.

Again, absolutely no concept of the language so you must truly be African living in the United States of America. You definitely don't belong to these united States.


It may get locked but I will risk it

this is the most condescending ******** of any I have read

actually, mr PEDANTIC,, there is no continent called AMERICA

the continent would be THE AMERICAS

of which there are three

but in this thread , we have been using AMERICAN to refer to citizens of the US,, so lets not try to switch it up to try to appear like some superior intellect,,

those illegal immigrants are still 'american' by this preposterous new argument

yeah, its wrongly used by people including YOURSELF, but lets keep it consistent when we do choose to use it and not act ignorant of the context of its use in a thread,,,

I belong here as much as anyone here with a behind to sit on and an opinion,,,,,,

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Sun 01/26/14 06:14 PM




actually, society will not see you as 'negro' anymore than they will see me as 'male'

its not MERELY what we want to state we are, there has to be some other qualifiers as well

'negroes',, according to one post here is an inferior person, I hope you don't consider yourself such,, I don't

black is an absence of light, almost always used as a negative connotation semantically, I don't prefer to view myself with that label either

there are plenty of 'labels' having to do with ancestral history, asthetics and social place,,,,,,,but I relate most to 'African american'

moreso than 'black' or 'negro' or even 'colored',,,,



society will never see you as a 'negro', or 'black' or 'colored,, but you can label yourself that way if you wish,,,


So the sum total of this hogwash is that you refuse to be anything other than a slave, a victim. You prefer to maintain racial tension and refuse to be equal.


no, the sum total is that no one else can give me my name or beat me into calling myself what they want me to , exactly the opposite of slaves with slave names forced upon them by others,,,


,,,I have options in my speech, with real DEFINITIONS for the words I use, and I will continue with the freedom to CHOOSE which appropriate word/definition to use for MYSELF,,,,,


Don't have to beat you, you readily accept your position.

And no there are no options in the language except in the definition and failure to use the correct definition in the correct place can result in involuntary servitude, alias a legal slave.

So remain ignorant of the language, it is to your peril, not mine, I understand it.



great argument,, if you don't choose what I tell you to,, you must be a slave,,,,


frustrated

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Sun 01/26/14 06:14 PM

So, you claim Mr. alnewman doesn't have a clue?
Yours are the only right answers and any others are just ignorant babble?


Of course she does and with all that source material too. I bet she even thinks Black's Law has to do with slavery and refuses to acknowledge it.

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Sun 01/26/14 06:19 PM
which of YOUR answers are not 'right',,,

ten cents to the first volunteer,,,,,,,,,

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Sun 01/26/14 06:21 PM


,,,I have options in my speech, with real DEFINITIONS for the words I use, and I will continue with the freedom to CHOOSE which appropriate word/definition to use for MYSELF,,,,,


Bravo, msharmony! :thumbsup:


Ooh, a real boost in confidence by a proclaimed Dodo.

do·do
noun \ˈdō-(ˌ)dō\

a : an extinct heavy flightless bird (Raphus cucullatus syn. Didus ineptus of the family Raphidae) of the island of Mauritius that was larger than a turkey and was related to the pigeon
b : an extinct flightless bird (Raphus solitarius) of the island of Réunion similar to and closely related to the dodo
2
a : one hopelessly behind the times
b : a stupid person

So you're not a bird, they have been declared extinct so what exactly do you mean?

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Sun 01/26/14 06:22 PM
The OP of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with Americans who prefer to call themselves African-Americans.

So, why all of the ranting against people who call themselves African-Americans?

The anti-"African-American" ranting that I read in this thread reminds me of cases of racism.

Yeah, although the "race" card gets misused often, there are still times when its use is appropriate.