Topic: Do angels have wings?
Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 01/06/14 02:37 PM

Well in primary source documentation for the kind of beings being referenced (hebrew scripture) Daniel's angels (Gabriel, Michael) were visions involving figures that were archetypes within a presumably holy message (the vision itself).
On the one hand Daniel gives them manlike status (ishim, low ranked angels), yet on the other Gabriel is a strict representation of YHWH in earliest scriptural references (a kind of warrior-jesus figure leading soldiers into battle against Israel's enemies), whilst Michael is given the awe and wisdom of Elohim (the divine), the two together are essentially the composition of God. That would make them very high ranked angels indeed.

Gabriel had wings in the original documentation. Michael did not but it's fairly likely he was attributed with abilities such as travel by thought.

What is important however is to keep in mind that these passages are intentionally part allegorical, being quite literally describe a person's vision at face value, not actual beings that walked up and knocked on the front door.


Shalom.. Nice to see the True name of Elohim used. I am curious I have never heard this before.. I was wondering if you could post or send me in the right direction so I can look at this myself. Thanks and May YHWH Bless you and yours.

Num 6:22-27

And YHWH spoke to Moses, saying: 23 "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying, 'This is the way you shall bless the children of Israel. Say to them:

24 "YHWH bless you and keep you;
25 YHWH make His face shine upon you,
And be gracious to you;
26 YHWH lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you Shalom."'

27 "So they shall put My name on the children of Israel, and I will bless them."
NKJV

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Mon 01/06/14 04:04 PM

I understand.


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willing2's photo
Mon 01/06/14 07:04 PM


I understand.


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Wut????:wink:

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Mon 01/06/14 07:08 PM



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willing2's photo
Mon 01/06/14 07:13 PM




I understand.


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Wut????:wink:


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willing2's photo
Mon 01/06/14 07:26 PM
Edited by willing2 on Mon 01/06/14 07:30 PM
Angels aren't necessarily dead spirits floating or flying.

We could all be acting as different types of angels. Show someone mercy, you're an angel of mercy.
Kill someone,you're an angel of death.

We can be the angel that tests someone's patience or integrity.

We can be the angel that dies and teaches their family how to mourn and show their real side when the will is read.
Many many ways we can be some of those angels and all we show is an aura. What color depends on what you're made of.

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Mon 01/06/14 07:31 PM

Angels aren't necessarily dead spirits floating or flying.

We could all be acting as different types of angels. Show someone mercy, you're an angel of mercy.
Kill someone,you're an angel of death.

We can be the angel that tests someone's patience or integrity.

We can be the angel that dies and teaches their family how to mourn and show their real side when the will is read.
Many many ways we can be some of those angels and all we show is an aura. What color depends on what you're made of.


What color is your aura?,,,,and what does it say about you?.....

willing2's photo
Mon 01/06/14 07:57 PM
Light blue.
Calm, not in a hurry.
Stressors can change the colors.
At one time of my life, it was black.
How about yours?

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/06/14 08:04 PM

I have seen angels in the sky. I even have pictures. Yes they do have bird-like wings mostly in the center of their back. They also have very elongated hominoid heads. I do not talk about angels very much because there are such people that like to argue. :angel: :angel:


how do you capture pictures of them? (this is a serious question,not ridiculing)

are they flying low or is there special equipment? Do you share the photos anywhere?

izzyphoto1977's photo
Mon 01/06/14 11:09 PM
It's interesting that on both sides there are people are insane. atheists who are so set on proving that god is fake they go to insulting the religious people because they think they are smarter than the religious people. But science can not prove or disprove the existence of god.

Religious people also can not prove or disprove god. But they look at science as the anti-christ. Even though there have been some scientists who have been religious people. I recall seeing a video of one guy who used an example to convince a friend that there must be a god. He sat a globe on a desk and when his friend asked where the globe came from he said it just appeared. The friend who I think wasn't religious said that was impossible that someone must have put it there. It could not have just materialized. The first guy then used that for his argument that there must be a god who created the heavens and the Earth.

Both side are always going to fight over who is right and in the end it won't matter at all. Most people don't live beyond or even to 100 years of age. The Earth has been around for millions of years which means our lives are the fraction of a blink in the span of the life of the Earth. Do you really want to spend your life arguing over something that when you die will mean nothing? Why can't people on both side stop arguing, respect each others choices and just be good people?

The only answer I see is that there are to many retarded people who religious or not are self righteous pricks who can't let crap go. They just have to be right all the time even if when they die no one is going to give a crap about what they said.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Mon 01/06/14 11:27 PM
Edited by izzyphoto1977 on Mon 01/06/14 11:28 PM


I will be honest and say that if you showed me the pictures I would probably wonder if it could be something else and may even give suggestions as to what it could be. That is if I could come up with anything that would explain it.

I once saw a picture of this old man that had a story that went with it. The story was that this guy always claimed he was able to see spirits and no one believed him. Before he died he was kept in an asylum I think. Could have been a nursing home. But this relative took a picture of him and he looked kind of scared. As I recall the story went some time after the old man died and the one who took the picture had it developed and printed. When he looked at the picture he noticed something odd. When you look at the old man, who looks like he is scared, behind him you see the image of a bear. It's not very clear. But it's good enough to make out the image of a bear. It's possible it was faked. When printing the picture the negative of a bear pic could have been used to make it show. But if it's real then it's a very interesting thing that shows that this old man really was seeing the spirits around him.

Jesusprincessmt's photo
Mon 01/06/14 11:43 PM
Izzy I had to cut and crop and zoom in to see the picture and the more I zoomed in the more I was shocked by what I saw. It was the craziest thing and it was not one by itself. They were in groups and the pictures showed them in different positions in the sky. My friends and I were looking at these pictures totally stunned!

izzyphoto1977's photo
Tue 01/07/14 12:01 AM
Well I wouldn't mind seeing them if you wanted to show them to me. But I'm not going to push you for it. It would just be an interesting thing to see.

Just curious. You said it was done with a digital camera. How many MP was it?

Jesusprincessmt's photo
Tue 01/07/14 12:11 AM
I do not know. My friend is an artist and was taking pictures of the sky to paint. It was about 1 or 2 pm and the sky literally looked like the heavens opened up. The sky was so beautiful. When she first looked at the pictures there were several groupings of odd looking clouds in a triangular formation and much brighter than the other clouds. She wanted to show these to us (a group of five). They definitely did not look like the other clouds.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Tue 01/07/14 12:27 AM
I asked because you talked about having to enlarge it so much. With a higher megapixel picture you would retain more detail as you did that.

I know there are programs that make it possible to enlarge pictures while keeping more details then used to be possible. But it's still easy to make a picture look like crap too.

I don't suppose you could guess how long ago the pictures were taken?

Jesusprincessmt's photo
Tue 01/07/14 12:35 AM

I asked because you talked about having to enlarge it so much. With a higher megapixel picture you would retain more detail as you did that.

I know there are programs that make it possible to enlarge pictures while keeping more details then used to be possible. But it's still easy to make a picture look like crap too.

I don't suppose you could guess how long ago the pictures were taken?


I think it was 2010. The program on the computer we used crashed before we could print it and show everyone. My friend did not know what it was called and she lost everything on her computer. We have not been able to find the program. Every program since has made it too fuzzy

izzyphoto1977's photo
Tue 01/07/14 12:40 AM
Then it certainly could have been an 8 or even an 18 MP camera. Even higher if your friend was using a mid format. If she is an artist then I expect she was using an SLR instead of a point and shoot.

Jesusprincessmt's photo
Tue 01/07/14 02:02 AM
It was so detailed that it even showed the striped band on it's chest. I really have been wanting to find the program to zoom it to that level. Every time I do, something happens to the computer. So I figure it is just for me and my friends to experience.

izzyphoto1977's photo
Tue 01/07/14 02:38 AM
Well if sometime you decide you want to show me the pictures or even just one of them. I would be happy to see them. It could be that the amount of ram on your computer is getting over loaded and maybe a better computer would give you better results.

But it's up to you. It all good either way. I suggest ignoring this guy though. He looks like nothing more than a bully from what I have seen of him.

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Tue 01/07/14 08:24 AM
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