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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy. 
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda. 
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, |
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy.
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda.
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. |
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Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights."
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment III No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Amendment VII In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html |
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Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the "Bill of Rights." Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment II A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment III No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment V No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VI In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. Amendment VII In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Amendment VIII Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Amendment IX The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html 'probable', 'reasonable' ;wherein the state and district the crime was committed doesn't exactly pertain to crimes done in other nations,,,,, but TREASON Might,, as confusing as the bible,,, |
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The American system is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. A democracy, if you attach meaning to terms, is a system of unlimited majority rule; the classic example is ancient Athens. And the symbol of it is the fate of Socrates, who was put to death legally, because the majority didn't like what he was saying, although he had initiated no force and had violated no one's rights. Democracy, in short, is a form of collectivism, which denies individual rights: the majority can do whatever it wants with no restrictions. In principle, the democratic government is all-powerful. Democracy is a totalitarian manifestation; it is not a form of freedom . . . . The American system is a constitutionally limited republic, restricted to the protection of individual rights. In such a system, majority rule is applicable only to lesser details, such as the selection of certain personnel. But the majority has no say over the basic principles governing the government. It has no power to ask for or gain the infringement of individual rights. Leonard Peikoff, The Philosophy of Objectivism lecture series, Lecture 9 If we discard morality and substitute for it the Collectivist doctrine of unlimited majority rule, if we accept the idea that a majority may do anything it pleases, and that anything done by a majority is right because it's done by a majority (this being the only standard of right and wrong)how are men to apply this in practice to their actual lives? Who is the majority? In relation to each particular man, all other men are potential members of that majority which may destroy him at its pleasure at any moment. Then each man and all men become enemies; each has to fear and suspect all; each must try to rob and murder first, before he is robbed and murdered. Textbook of Americanism The Ayn Rand Column, 8 Amen brother, but to have rights you must claim them. |
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy.
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda.
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. So get your head on straight. If you want to so easily give up your rights, fine, but thinking you know what's best for the rest of us is simply nothing short of egotistical IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, BS! Soldiers die defending those rights you wish to pi$$ away! You're about as American as Osama was! soldiers in American history have fought for those 'rights' to be amended,,,, soldiers in my family have fought to defend PEOPLE, which is what a patriot does and an American,,, the soldier card doesn't work with me,, true soldiers consider it their JOB and don't look for special citizen points for what they do,,, and that's why americans can appreciate SOLDIERS and still disagree with their countrys policies or seek to change and amend their constitution and why they vote in presidents who assign JUSTICES to interpret that constitution as it applies to the laws of the land,,, |
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IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, Never have more idiotic words been communicated except for the blind faith believers of Odumbo. more ad hominem,,, 
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy.
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda.
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. So get your head on straight. If you want to so easily give up your rights, fine, but thinking you know what's best for the rest of us is simply nothing short of egotistical IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, BS! Soldiers die defending those rights you wish to pi$$ away! You're about as American as Osama was! soldiers in American history have fought for those 'rights' to be amended,,,, soldiers in my family have fought to defend PEOPLE, which is what a patriot does and an American,,, the soldier card doesn't work with me,, true soldiers consider it their JOB and don't look for special citizen points for what they do,,, and that's why americans can appreciate SOLDIERS and still disagree with their countrys policies or seek to change and amend their constitution and why they vote in presidents who assign JUSTICES to interpret that constitution as it applies to the laws of the land,,, Most would change something to "make it better", and since gov't is the ones changing it, who does it favor. Soldiers die defending freedom and rights, NOT PEOPLE! They cover each others backs in battle, but in battle (something you wouldn't understand obviously) your whole world exists in the realm of your vision. A belief in freedom (which is being taken from us regardless of the sacrifice) and love of country (which taking those rights is destroying thru fear and neverending wars) is the reason soldiers fight and die. Obozo opens his mouth and destroys American, you open yours and spit on our soldiers, our country, our Constitution, and our flag which allow your right to do so, as soldiers die to provide it for you..... after all they're just soldiers, and you, like Henry Kissinger, feel they are only pawns to promote gov't agenda, no matter their own reasons for joining the fight. That is not intellect, that is unAmerican and sheer stupidity. I begin to believe that is the reason for your "mission" in these political threads, for you have no knowledge obviously of much you choose to speak against, the rights you wish to destroy, or the reasons they are so important to some. You simply have no love of this country or the principals which made it great. You just want whatever you can get from it, and if it doesn't touch you, all the better, but you will NEVER fight for it, just take from it, while others die for it! We see you, but you fail to see yourself in your greed, racism and hatred. I understand why you support obozo. You want, but you also want others to pay for it, and since our Constitution doesn't support taking it from others without due process, it must be changed. |
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in this thread,, seems like ONE is singled out ,, not just because he is the present one either, because it is presented as a COMPETITION Against other presidents, not as a common factor amongst them,,,, i guess you forget that there is only one president at a time... why would we criticize a past president now? is bush in charge? is clinton making decisions now? he's a bad president and he should be called out on it, just like Bush was when he was in office... there is a difference from saying, BEtty is the worst liar ever, and betty is a liar, or betty lied the COMPETITION aspect is the inconsistent part of it that pretends or implies hat a SINGLE person is SUDDENLY doing things that are UNIQUELY Terrible that I why I put up the quote about Linocln,, similarly hated in his time, but still historically seen as a great man in a time of great and historical accomplishment and why I also put up the qote from the fictitious president stating that whats POPULAR Is not always whats right,, history remembers based upon people doing the right thing, not based upon how popular that thing was at the time,,, yea, just like bush will the the best prez ever... 
i don't see king barry doing anything right, and i think think the present and the future are more important than the past... if barry wants my respect, he can start doing away with the terrible programs bush started... like the patriot act for starters.. I don't see BUsh being the best or the worst,, most likely in the middle since the economy ended under him so much worse than where it began, and we ended up in more wars than when he began, it would be hard to be 'the best' but war nor recession are unique to his presidency , making it hard to be 'the worst' historians may learn more though,, who knows As far as Obama, as you said the present and the future matter and he still has three years worth of time to make more accomplishments or mistakes, but I see healthcare reform being a HUGE improvement as it evolves, and being in fewer wars at the end of his term than the beginning, and the economy being better, and bin laden and alqueda being takendown/weakened,,,,,make it unlikey history will rate Obama 'the worst' however, recovery from recession, and military wars/invasions/retreats are not so unique to a presidency that OBama would earn 'the best' (yet) historically speaking, his not so unique things may still be seen as more unique having done them with the laziest congress (most do nothing) in US history,,,, and the beginning of a new healthcare system may put him amongst the top,,,,like the beginning of civil rights, the ending of slavery, or the beginning of soc sec or medicare did for the presidents residing in those eras healthcare means nothing, just more money for us to spend...Nothing was proven that he did anything to bin laden, being a nice burial at sea and no body... and he's giving al quida weapons now, so your right, they're happy for now... and so much for a "more" transparent goverment, there is more spying and invasion of privacy more than ever now... and the only change i see is for the worse... opinions are opinions, but don't let any facts get in your way while forming them... wait are you implying the navy seals would actually take part in LYING? you don't deserve the freedoms our soldiers fight for ....lol just kidding well yeah,, people will believe whatever 'facts' they choose to,, if they haven't seen it for themselves, I guess any of those 'facts' can be argued to be just lies someone told...huh? believe them? they are all dead... they died on a helicopter crash about a month after it they "shot" OBL |
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in this thread,, seems like ONE is singled out ,, not just because he is the present one either, because it is presented as a COMPETITION Against other presidents, not as a common factor amongst them,,,, i guess you forget that there is only one president at a time... why would we criticize a past president now? is bush in charge? is clinton making decisions now? he's a bad president and he should be called out on it, just like Bush was when he was in office... there is a difference from saying, BEtty is the worst liar ever, and betty is a liar, or betty lied the COMPETITION aspect is the inconsistent part of it that pretends or implies hat a SINGLE person is SUDDENLY doing things that are UNIQUELY Terrible that I why I put up the quote about Linocln,, similarly hated in his time, but still historically seen as a great man in a time of great and historical accomplishment and why I also put up the qote from the fictitious president stating that whats POPULAR Is not always whats right,, history remembers based upon people doing the right thing, not based upon how popular that thing was at the time,,, yea, just like bush will the the best prez ever...
i don't see king barry doing anything right, and i think think the present and the future are more important than the past... if barry wants my respect, he can start doing away with the terrible programs bush started... like the patriot act for starters.. I don't see BUsh being the best or the worst,, most likely in the middle since the economy ended under him so much worse than where it began, and we ended up in more wars than when he began, it would be hard to be 'the best' but war nor recession are unique to his presidency , making it hard to be 'the worst' historians may learn more though,, who knows As far as Obama, as you said the present and the future matter and he still has three years worth of time to make more accomplishments or mistakes, but I see healthcare reform being a HUGE improvement as it evolves, and being in fewer wars at the end of his term than the beginning, and the economy being better, and bin laden and alqueda being takendown/weakened,,,,,make it unlikey history will rate Obama 'the worst' however, recovery from recession, and military wars/invasions/retreats are not so unique to a presidency that OBama would earn 'the best' (yet) historically speaking, his not so unique things may still be seen as more unique having done them with the laziest congress (most do nothing) in US history,,,, and the beginning of a new healthcare system may put him amongst the top,,,,like the beginning of civil rights, the ending of slavery, or the beginning of soc sec or medicare did for the presidents residing in those eras healthcare means nothing, just more money for us to spend...Nothing was proven that he did anything to bin laden, being a nice burial at sea and no body... and he's giving al quida weapons now, so your right, they're happy for now... and so much for a "more" transparent goverment, there is more spying and invasion of privacy more than ever now... and the only change i see is for the worse... opinions are opinions, but don't let any facts get in your way while forming them... wait are you implying the navy seals would actually take part in LYING? you don't deserve the freedoms our soldiers fight for ....lol just kidding well yeah,, people will believe whatever 'facts' they choose to,, if they haven't seen it for themselves, I guess any of those 'facts' can be argued to be just lies someone told...huh? believe them? they are all dead... they died on a helicopter crash about a month after it they "shot" OBL actually, that is inaccurate too Seal team 6 has hundreds of members, divided into several 'colored' squadrons,,,those who went to Bin Laden were from Red Squadron the 17 who died on the Chinook were from Gold Squadron I know because I was never a soldier, I must just pull 'FACTS" and numbers from my behind and not have a clue and not care about America....blah blah blah but here is an excerpt from the NAVY TIMES: The SEALs who assaulted Osama bin Laden’s compound were drawn from Naval Special Warfare Development Group’s Red Squadron, according to several sources in the special operations community. and another Of the 22 NSW members killed, 17 were SEALs and five were direct support personnel, according to the source in the NSW community. Two of the SEALs were from a West Coast SEAL unit, but the others were from Gold Squadron of Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DevGru, sometimes known as SEAL Team 6, said the NSW source when articles read they were 'par of the same team',, its like saying 'I went to the same school as,,,' so, TEAM 6 has sseveral squadrons,, one squadron killed Bin Laden, one died in a helicopter crash,, all part of the same TEAM,, but not the same INDIVIDUALS,,,,,, |
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy.
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda.
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. So get your head on straight. If you want to so easily give up your rights, fine, but thinking you know what's best for the rest of us is simply nothing short of egotistical IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, BS! Soldiers die defending those rights you wish to pi$$ away! You're about as American as Osama was! soldiers in American history have fought for those 'rights' to be amended,,,, soldiers in my family have fought to defend PEOPLE, which is what a patriot does and an American,,, the soldier card doesn't work with me,, true soldiers consider it their JOB and don't look for special citizen points for what they do,,, and that's why americans can appreciate SOLDIERS and still disagree with their countrys policies or seek to change and amend their constitution and why they vote in presidents who assign JUSTICES to interpret that constitution as it applies to the laws of the land,,, Most would change something to "make it better", and since gov't is the ones changing it, who does it favor. Soldiers die defending freedom and rights, NOT PEOPLE! They cover each others backs in battle, but in battle (something you wouldn't understand obviously) your whole world exists in the realm of your vision. A belief in freedom (which is being taken from us regardless of the sacrifice) and love of country (which taking those rights is destroying thru fear and neverending wars) is the reason soldiers fight and die. Obozo opens his mouth and destroys American, you open yours and spit on our soldiers, our country, our Constitution, and our flag which allow your right to do so, as soldiers die to provide it for you..... after all they're just soldiers, and you, like Henry Kissinger, feel they are only pawns to promote gov't agenda, no matter their own reasons for joining the fight. That is not intellect, that is unAmerican and sheer stupidity. I begin to believe that is the reason for your "mission" in these political threads, for you have no knowledge obviously of much you choose to speak against, the rights you wish to destroy, or the reasons they are so important to some. You simply have no love of this country or the principals which made it great. You just want whatever you can get from it, and if it doesn't touch you, all the better, but you will NEVER fight for it, just take from it, while others die for it! We see you, but you fail to see yourself in your greed, racism and hatred. I understand why you support obozo. You want, but you also want others to pay for it, and since our Constitution doesn't support taking it from others without due process, it must be changed. soldiers are individuals with millions of individual reasons to join the military , reasons as simple as needing money or a job, to 'fighting for freedoms' bottom line is , those individuals are absolutely not PAWNS , they are conscious individuals making a conscious career choice so, no, they aren just government pawns, and they also aren't the pawns of rebels who insist on defining what their service means to them or why they did it like before, I PERSONALY KNOW AND LOVE SOLDIERS , and none of them would or have told me anything other than that it was their JOB,, they had a choice to do it and be paid for and make a living at it and THEY MADE THAT CHOICE,, they aren't looking to be seen as heros, they didn't join and say hey send me to go risk my life,, they did their JOB,,,,, now, the are just as valid , valiant and worthy of my appreciation as any others, and IM sure many others would say they did it to 'fight for freedoms and rights', and that was their choice too there is not one time in American history where we all just did whatever we wanted without regulation or law,, your rights end where my nose begins,, etc,,etc,, and now is no worse than any other, in fact, for many groups the worst times were decades ago now and they GOT THROUGH THEM WITHOUT THE WORLD ENDING OR AMERIC EITHER so, yeah, I have strong resolve, I come from that type of people, and for me and my upbringing and those who made it possible for me to live with the 'freedoms' I now have that they did not,, this is FAR From the worst times of American history, and far from the end of the world, and far from anything unique or life stopping,,,, |
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in this thread,, seems like ONE is singled out ,, not just because he is the present one either, because it is presented as a COMPETITION Against other presidents, not as a common factor amongst them,,,, i guess you forget that there is only one president at a time... why would we criticize a past president now? is bush in charge? is clinton making decisions now? he's a bad president and he should be called out on it, just like Bush was when he was in office... there is a difference from saying, BEtty is the worst liar ever, and betty is a liar, or betty lied the COMPETITION aspect is the inconsistent part of it that pretends or implies hat a SINGLE person is SUDDENLY doing things that are UNIQUELY Terrible that I why I put up the quote about Linocln,, similarly hated in his time, but still historically seen as a great man in a time of great and historical accomplishment and why I also put up the qote from the fictitious president stating that whats POPULAR Is not always whats right,, history remembers based upon people doing the right thing, not based upon how popular that thing was at the time,,, yea, just like bush will the the best prez ever...
i don't see king barry doing anything right, and i think think the present and the future are more important than the past... if barry wants my respect, he can start doing away with the terrible programs bush started... like the patriot act for starters.. I don't see BUsh being the best or the worst,, most likely in the middle since the economy ended under him so much worse than where it began, and we ended up in more wars than when he began, it would be hard to be 'the best' but war nor recession are unique to his presidency , making it hard to be 'the worst' historians may learn more though,, who knows As far as Obama, as you said the present and the future matter and he still has three years worth of time to make more accomplishments or mistakes, but I see healthcare reform being a HUGE improvement as it evolves, and being in fewer wars at the end of his term than the beginning, and the economy being better, and bin laden and alqueda being takendown/weakened,,,,,make it unlikey history will rate Obama 'the worst' however, recovery from recession, and military wars/invasions/retreats are not so unique to a presidency that OBama would earn 'the best' (yet) historically speaking, his not so unique things may still be seen as more unique having done them with the laziest congress (most do nothing) in US history,,,, and the beginning of a new healthcare system may put him amongst the top,,,,like the beginning of civil rights, the ending of slavery, or the beginning of soc sec or medicare did for the presidents residing in those eras healthcare means nothing, just more money for us to spend...Nothing was proven that he did anything to bin laden, being a nice burial at sea and no body... and he's giving al quida weapons now, so your right, they're happy for now... and so much for a "more" transparent goverment, there is more spying and invasion of privacy more than ever now... and the only change i see is for the worse... opinions are opinions, but don't let any facts get in your way while forming them... wait are you implying the navy seals would actually take part in LYING? you don't deserve the freedoms our soldiers fight for ....lol just kidding well yeah,, people will believe whatever 'facts' they choose to,, if they haven't seen it for themselves, I guess any of those 'facts' can be argued to be just lies someone told...huh? believe them? they are all dead... they died on a helicopter crash about a month after it they "shot" OBL actually, that is inaccurate too Seal team 6 has hundreds of members, divided into several 'colored' squadrons,,,those who went to Bin Laden were from Red Squadron the 17 who died on the Chinook were from Gold Squadron I know because I was never a soldier, I must just pull 'FACTS" and numbers from my behind and not have a clue and not care about America....blah blah blah but here is an excerpt from the NAVY TIMES: The SEALs who assaulted Osama bin Laden’s compound were drawn from Naval Special Warfare Development Group’s Red Squadron, according to several sources in the special operations community. and another Of the 22 NSW members killed, 17 were SEALs and five were direct support personnel, according to the source in the NSW community. Two of the SEALs were from a West Coast SEAL unit, but the others were from Gold Squadron of Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DevGru, sometimes known as SEAL Team 6, said the NSW source when articles read they were 'par of the same team',, its like saying 'I went to the same school as,,,' so, TEAM 6 has sseveral squadrons,, one squadron killed Bin Laden, one died in a helicopter crash,, all part of the same TEAM,, but not the same INDIVIDUALS,,,,,, funny... you say how we're making things up, but yet you trust the government website thats fed from the same people that made up the lies in the first place.. sorry, you post all the "truths" from the government, but you know as well as i do they all lie, and your leader is the king of the liars.... |
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in this thread,, seems like ONE is singled out ,, not just because he is the present one either, because it is presented as a COMPETITION Against other presidents, not as a common factor amongst them,,,, i guess you forget that there is only one president at a time... why would we criticize a past president now? is bush in charge? is clinton making decisions now? he's a bad president and he should be called out on it, just like Bush was when he was in office... there is a difference from saying, BEtty is the worst liar ever, and betty is a liar, or betty lied the COMPETITION aspect is the inconsistent part of it that pretends or implies hat a SINGLE person is SUDDENLY doing things that are UNIQUELY Terrible that I why I put up the quote about Linocln,, similarly hated in his time, but still historically seen as a great man in a time of great and historical accomplishment and why I also put up the qote from the fictitious president stating that whats POPULAR Is not always whats right,, history remembers based upon people doing the right thing, not based upon how popular that thing was at the time,,, yea, just like bush will the the best prez ever...
i don't see king barry doing anything right, and i think think the present and the future are more important than the past... if barry wants my respect, he can start doing away with the terrible programs bush started... like the patriot act for starters.. I don't see BUsh being the best or the worst,, most likely in the middle since the economy ended under him so much worse than where it began, and we ended up in more wars than when he began, it would be hard to be 'the best' but war nor recession are unique to his presidency , making it hard to be 'the worst' historians may learn more though,, who knows As far as Obama, as you said the present and the future matter and he still has three years worth of time to make more accomplishments or mistakes, but I see healthcare reform being a HUGE improvement as it evolves, and being in fewer wars at the end of his term than the beginning, and the economy being better, and bin laden and alqueda being takendown/weakened,,,,,make it unlikey history will rate Obama 'the worst' however, recovery from recession, and military wars/invasions/retreats are not so unique to a presidency that OBama would earn 'the best' (yet) historically speaking, his not so unique things may still be seen as more unique having done them with the laziest congress (most do nothing) in US history,,,, and the beginning of a new healthcare system may put him amongst the top,,,,like the beginning of civil rights, the ending of slavery, or the beginning of soc sec or medicare did for the presidents residing in those eras healthcare means nothing, just more money for us to spend...Nothing was proven that he did anything to bin laden, being a nice burial at sea and no body... and he's giving al quida weapons now, so your right, they're happy for now... and so much for a "more" transparent goverment, there is more spying and invasion of privacy more than ever now... and the only change i see is for the worse... opinions are opinions, but don't let any facts get in your way while forming them... wait are you implying the navy seals would actually take part in LYING? you don't deserve the freedoms our soldiers fight for ....lol just kidding well yeah,, people will believe whatever 'facts' they choose to,, if they haven't seen it for themselves, I guess any of those 'facts' can be argued to be just lies someone told...huh? believe them? they are all dead... they died on a helicopter crash about a month after it they "shot" OBL actually, that is inaccurate too Seal team 6 has hundreds of members, divided into several 'colored' squadrons,,,those who went to Bin Laden were from Red Squadron the 17 who died on the Chinook were from Gold Squadron I know because I was never a soldier, I must just pull 'FACTS" and numbers from my behind and not have a clue and not care about America....blah blah blah but here is an excerpt from the NAVY TIMES: The SEALs who assaulted Osama bin Laden’s compound were drawn from Naval Special Warfare Development Group’s Red Squadron, according to several sources in the special operations community. and another Of the 22 NSW members killed, 17 were SEALs and five were direct support personnel, according to the source in the NSW community. Two of the SEALs were from a West Coast SEAL unit, but the others were from Gold Squadron of Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DevGru, sometimes known as SEAL Team 6, said the NSW source when articles read they were 'par of the same team',, its like saying 'I went to the same school as,,,' so, TEAM 6 has sseveral squadrons,, one squadron killed Bin Laden, one died in a helicopter crash,, all part of the same TEAM,, but not the same INDIVIDUALS,,,,,, funny... you say how we're making things up, but yet you trust the government website thats fed from the same people that made up the lies in the first place.. sorry, you post all the "truths" from the government, but you know as well as i do they all lie, and your leader is the king of the liars.... 
yeah, ok btw, navy times is not a government publication or website, but of course its POSSIBLE there is some secret government division skimming all the articles of every website and paper in the world to put their 'spin' on it,,, 
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No POTUS in history ever thought it was acceptable to kill American citizens without due process.....until Obozo.... and he starts with a 17 year old boy and his friends at a BBQ. Using past presidents and their policies to measure the qualities of a present one is like comparing one deadly cancer to another. Since the beginning of media their money masters have decided long before any election what our "choices" will be, giving us our choice of cancers, but never a cure. You can't honestly look at the condition of the world today and believe money in politics and a corrupt 2 party system is actually working unless your head is buried in the sand or up another dark location of the human anatomy.
it works , except for those who don't think it works the way they want it to I think that this time is no different than any other in its imperfections and its struggles,,,,,,they have always been a part of American history, just like they are a part of life its all a matter of perspective,, there are a million things that we can look at as individuals about life and what is 'better' or 'worse' we have ALWAYS Had things we needed to work on, but life has gone on through all of it, as it will now I don't see the end of the world urgency about things happening today, that others do,, I don't think its any WORSE now than it has been in the past in terms of survivability ,,,,,, I Just think, perhaps naturally, people are more likely to see something as urgent when it affects THEM personally, but , to me, nothing happening today is new, nothing happening today is unsurvivable,,, 'due process' is determined by the culture,,,, there is a whole thread here that magnifies how important 'due process' is supported by many,, once they decide someone is a criminal of some sort,, especially a political one That is the biggest crock of whale manure I have heard for an excuse of the manipulation of gov't by a corrupt elite bunch of bankers and corporations ruining our nation. With the help of their propaganda machine (which you seem to buy into), and the influence of money and privilege in politics, they have stolen the rights and power of the people. It didn't happen over night. So to say it is "no different", or a "natural progression", with no urgent need for worry, my question would be when do you worry, after it's too late? That's like a doctor telling you that you have cancer, but not worrying about it until you are terminal and dying. That's foolish and irresponsible, and simply shows ones stupidity. And due process.... is not determined by the culture, it's the law! But then you have said before you don't care much for the principals our nation was founded on, or the documents that don't give us our rights, but guarantee them to be unalienable by the corrupt body we call gov't. You defend Obozocare as the law stating it must be followed, but consider due process, one of our oldest "guaranteed" rights, as something that can be ignored or denied by our sitting wannabe king, along with our other rights, which are also protected under the law. You can't have it both ways, whether this POTUS, or you, think it might be fitting at the moment to your agenda.
if due process is law, please supply the LEGAL DEFINITION Of what due process is,, legally speaking and Id love to know of the time in history of America when americans all had rights that weren't controlled by the 'elite' the founding fathers weren't peasant exactly, neither were the slaveowners,,,,there is a whole group of 'americans' who didn't have their 'equal' rights until merely fifty years ago (in my mothers lifetime) so, as I Said before, people see things as urgent when it affects tHEM,, many groups of people haven't known a time in the history of America when things were so perfectly equal and rights so innately respected to those groups of people, of which I am a descendant of, this time is no worse than any other that America or americans have pushed through,, With the signing of the Constitution the Bill of Rights was put in place to guarantee the rights and property of the individual. We were not "given" rights, we already had them, only guaranteed they could NOT be taken from us by those "elite" you think allow them to us. So get your head on straight. If you want to so easily give up your rights, fine, but thinking you know what's best for the rest of us is simply nothing short of egotistical IM not egotistical at all Im realistic and able to see things in context with my brain and not my emotions so we already hae rights,, great, all ideal and everything, but the reality is those NATURAL Rights went unacknowledged and unsupported for centuries in this country for a whole demographic of this country and the country pushed through it,,,thats the cycle of life America didn't end, and life didn't end, and those 'rights' didn't change,,,,,, I don't give up on my rights, I just realize they aren't as simplistic and natural or absolute as idealists wish to believe they are never have been, never will be,,,,, BS! Soldiers die defending those rights you wish to pi$$ away! You're about as American as Osama was! soldiers in American history have fought for those 'rights' to be amended,,,, soldiers in my family have fought to defend PEOPLE, which is what a patriot does and an American,,, the soldier card doesn't work with me,, true soldiers consider it their JOB and don't look for special citizen points for what they do,,, and that's why americans can appreciate SOLDIERS and still disagree with their countrys policies or seek to change and amend their constitution and why they vote in presidents who assign JUSTICES to interpret that constitution as it applies to the laws of the land,,, Most would change something to "make it better", and since gov't is the ones changing it, who does it favor. Soldiers die defending freedom and rights, NOT PEOPLE! They cover each others backs in battle, but in battle (something you wouldn't understand obviously) your whole world exists in the realm of your vision. A belief in freedom (which is being taken from us regardless of the sacrifice) and love of country (which taking those rights is destroying thru fear and neverending wars) is the reason soldiers fight and die. Obozo opens his mouth and destroys American, you open yours and spit on our soldiers, our country, our Constitution, and our flag which allow your right to do so, as soldiers die to provide it for you..... after all they're just soldiers, and you, like Henry Kissinger, feel they are only pawns to promote gov't agenda, no matter their own reasons for joining the fight. That is not intellect, that is unAmerican and sheer stupidity. I begin to believe that is the reason for your "mission" in these political threads, for you have no knowledge obviously of much you choose to speak against, the rights you wish to destroy, or the reasons they are so important to some. You simply have no love of this country or the principals which made it great. You just want whatever you can get from it, and if it doesn't touch you, all the better, but you will NEVER fight for it, just take from it, while others die for it! We see you, but you fail to see yourself in your greed, racism and hatred. I understand why you support obozo. You want, but you also want others to pay for it, and since our Constitution doesn't support taking it from others without due process, it must be changed. soldiers are individuals with millions of individual reasons to join the military , reasons as simple as needing money or a job, to 'fighting for freedoms' bottom line is , those individuals are absolutely not PAWNS , they are conscious individuals making a conscious career choice so, no, they aren just government pawns, and they also aren't the pawns of rebels who insist on defining what their service means to them or why they did it like before, I PERSONALY KNOW AND LOVE SOLDIERS , and none of them would or have told me anything other than that it was their JOB,, they had a choice to do it and be paid for and make a living at it and THEY MADE THAT CHOICE,, they aren't looking to be seen as heros, they didn't join and say hey send me to go risk my life,, they did their JOB,,,,, now, the are just as valid , valiant and worthy of my appreciation as any others, and IM sure many others would say they did it to 'fight for freedoms and rights', and that was their choice too there is not one time in American history where we all just did whatever we wanted without regulation or law,, your rights end where my nose begins,, etc,,etc,, and now is no worse than any other, in fact, for many groups the worst times were decades ago now and they GOT THROUGH THEM WITHOUT THE WORLD ENDING OR AMERIC EITHER so, yeah, I have strong resolve, I come from that type of people, and for me and my upbringing and those who made it possible for me to live with the 'freedoms' I now have that they did not,, this is FAR From the worst times of American history, and far from the end of the world, and far from anything unique or life stopping,,,, That's the kind of answer one would expect from a Marxist And as usual, we are to believe your opinion as fact over our own experiences, facts or logic..... Soldiers may die for many reasons, but they fight for only one.... to insure liberty for the country and those they love.... The liberty you think the gov't should have a right to take, control or restrict without ownership or right. Some would call that slavery.... Typical liberal..... not a clue Like Nazi Piglosi..... "You have to pass it to see what's in it....." So they made it law...... placing everyone under gestapo like healthcare controlled by gov't, recorded, taxed and fined.... and call it reasonable, or even "affordable"
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Absolutes
Reality is an absolute, existence is an absolute, a speck of dust is an absolute and so is a human life. Whether you live or die is an absolute. Whether you have a piece of bread or not, is an absolute. Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute. For the New Intellectual Galt's Speech There are no absolutes, they chatter, blanking out the fact that they are uttering an absolute. For the New Intellectual Galt's Speech Just as, in epistemology, the cult of uncertainty is a revolt against reason so, in ethics, the cult of moral grayness is a revolt against moral values. Both are a revolt against the absolutism of reality. The Virtue of Selfishness The Cult of Moral Grayness A moral code impossible to practice, a code that demands imperfection or death, has taught you to dissolve all ideas in fog, to permit no firm definitions, to regard any concept as approximate and any rule of conduct as elastic, to hedge on any principle, to compromise on any value, to take the middle of any road. By extorting your acceptance of supernatural absolutes, it has forced you to reject the absolute of nature. For the New Intellectual Galt's Speech http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/absolutes.html |
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believe them? they are all dead... they died on a helicopter crash about a month after it they "shot" OBL actually, that is inaccurate too Seal team 6 has hundreds of members, divided into several 'colored' squadrons,,,those who went to Bin Laden were from Red Squadron the 17 who died on the Chinook were from Gold Squadron I know because I was never a soldier, I must just pull 'FACTS" and numbers from my behind and not have a clue and not care about America....blah blah blah but here is an excerpt from the NAVY TIMES: The SEALs who assaulted Osama bin Laden’s compound were drawn from Naval Special Warfare Development Group’s Red Squadron, according to several sources in the special operations community. and another Of the 22 NSW members killed, 17 were SEALs and five were direct support personnel, according to the source in the NSW community. Two of the SEALs were from a West Coast SEAL unit, but the others were from Gold Squadron of Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DevGru, sometimes known as SEAL Team 6, said the NSW source when articles read they were 'par of the same team',, its like saying 'I went to the same school as,,,' so, TEAM 6 has sseveral squadrons,, one squadron killed Bin Laden, one died in a helicopter crash,, all part of the same TEAM,, but not the same INDIVIDUALS,,,,,, funny... you say how we're making things up, but yet you trust the government website thats fed from the same people that made up the lies in the first place.. sorry, you post all the "truths" from the government, but you know as well as i do they all lie, and your leader is the king of the liars.... Here is an excerpt from a FOXNews story about the deaths of those Navy SEALs: "Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday." The story doesn't identify the dead SEALs as being the same SEALs who kiiled bib Laden. |
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Stop with the personal attacks!
Kim |
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believe them? they are all dead... they died on a helicopter crash about a month after it they "shot" OBL actually, that is inaccurate too Seal team 6 has hundreds of members, divided into several 'colored' squadrons,,,those who went to Bin Laden were from Red Squadron the 17 who died on the Chinook were from Gold Squadron I know because I was never a soldier, I must just pull 'FACTS" and numbers from my behind and not have a clue and not care about America....blah blah blah but here is an excerpt from the NAVY TIMES: The SEALs who assaulted Osama bin Laden’s compound were drawn from Naval Special Warfare Development Group’s Red Squadron, according to several sources in the special operations community. and another Of the 22 NSW members killed, 17 were SEALs and five were direct support personnel, according to the source in the NSW community. Two of the SEALs were from a West Coast SEAL unit, but the others were from Gold Squadron of Naval Special Warfare Development Group, or DevGru, sometimes known as SEAL Team 6, said the NSW source when articles read they were 'par of the same team',, its like saying 'I went to the same school as,,,' so, TEAM 6 has sseveral squadrons,, one squadron killed Bin Laden, one died in a helicopter crash,, all part of the same TEAM,, but not the same INDIVIDUALS,,,,,, funny... you say how we're making things up, but yet you trust the government website thats fed from the same people that made up the lies in the first place.. sorry, you post all the "truths" from the government, but you know as well as i do they all lie, and your leader is the king of the liars.... Here is an excerpt from a FOXNews story about the deaths of those Navy SEALs: "Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday." The story doesn't identify the dead SEALs as being the same SEALs who kiiled bib Laden. There's a whole lot of controversy over that attack, a lawsuit by some of the parents, and for good reason. The Obozo admin outted the seals for killing OBL, then they are called on a mission they usually wouldn't be put on, placed in an old chopper they did not train on, and accompanied by Afghans who were not on the flight manifest. Whether it was the same "team" or not, 16 SEALs died that day, and like most things gov't, they are hiding the facts behind their veil of secrecy and not even giving the parents any reasons for the discrepancies that allowed it..... |
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Just curious...How much OT did he put in? None, he was playing golf of spades. |
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First, the president gets a budget for their travel expenses , it is what it is,, doesn't go up or down no matter how many vacations they take,,, second, the president WAS NOT playing spades during the Osama raid 
third, as dodo pointed out, in the age of technology, MANY jobs (ESPECIALLY THE PRESIDENT) are plugged in 24/7 whatever their physical location making this topic kind of old and boring and pointless... He came in at the END after the raid began, this is right from his body nan himself. They were playing Spades for the majority of the time. |
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