I didt say there 'has to be a budget', I said the office of president has a preset budget for travel and expenses,, no matter how much they travel,,,it doesn't go up or down

there is no evidence OBama has outspent anyone, because people count different things as 'vacations' which are actually , as I Said, not a vacation like you or I Take where we can completely relax and be FREE FROM WORK,, but are instead a change of scenery where they are still held to their JOB RESPONSIBILITIES 24/7

THe Bushs took many more trips to Africa,, its a big continent and we have an INTERNATYIONAL relationship with them that our PResident (whomever it is) needs to maintain and give some attention to,,,,

this hoopla is more of the tripe that makes it about demonizing a person than changing a policy,,,,


there is a vacation, (which most of us get too little of to wind down and get away from the work)

and there is a WORKING VACATION (which most people in positions of great responsibility to others get plenty of so that they can acquire, maintain, and assess relationships outside of the four walls of their office, )

who works 24/7 and why do we care if people get some time in between their day to day work to do what helps them stay balanced or relax or unwind?

I agree.

It is one thing to complain about a person's politics.
It is another thing to constantly try to demonize a person.

My statement was meant to be as POINTLESS as an article comparing the Presidents vacation days with that of the Average American worker. I'm not saying the discussion is irrelevant but the comparison is absurd.

"I understand people complaining, I just don't get the inconsistent standard that makes a behavior so much worse when one president does it than when other presidents do it,, "

That's what you don't get.... it's not "alright" for any of them to do it, people complain about each of them, but when it's one you support you accuse people of judging them more harshly.

Kennedy was a Demoncrap, and while there was much about him that some disagreed with, in my opinion, he would have been the best POTUS of the last 50 years had they let him live to fulfill his agenda.

It's about character, not the man, or the party!

in this thread,, seems like ONE is singled out ,, not just because he is the present one either, because it is presented as a COMPETITION Against other presidents, not as a common factor amongst them,,,,

By some, maybe, but definitely not most. Past presidents didn't make his decisions to continue, extend/enhance, or create bad policy.

He owns those decisions, and ridicule of most of them is well warranted

they didn't? none of them?

hmmm

So past presidents got together and forged his signature on recent decisions?

Past presidents didn't make his decisions to continue, extend/enhance, or create bad policy


I guess I misunderstood that as a defense about why he should be singled out,, but it was only stating the obvious that he makes his own decisions, just like all presidents, even when their decisions are similar,,,,

And THAT is why he is so ridiculed. HIS bad/poor/unconstitutional choices

Jimmy Carter did,so he finally gets out of that Spot of being the WPOAT! (Worst POTUS Of All Times)
It's a Conspiracy I tells ya,a Conspiracy!

he is more than ridiculed, he is set out by some as UNIQUELY deserving of it,,,

Kinda says a lot doesn't it.......

Ya'll hunker down so he can live extravagantly.

yeah about the culture, and those who single him out to ridicule as opposed to all the other optons they could have ridiculed for the same types of policies, decisions, and behaviors,,,,


but, the presidency is not about popularity where history is concerned

"We have no doubt that this Proclamation seals the fate of this Union as it was and the Constitution as it is.… The time is brief when we shall have a DICTATOR PROCLAIMED, for the Proclamation can never be carried out except under the iron rule of the worst kind of despotism."


sounds vaguely familiar,, the UNITQUELY disastrous presidency of Abraham Lincoln,,, shurgs

So, when it comes to taking vacations, the current POTUS does what his predecessors did. Why should I object to that?

I have never understood the purpose of trying to tear down a politician's character when one simply doesn't agree with that politician's policies.

I have openly disagreed with President Obama's policies without having to resort to attacking his character. The former doesn't require the latter.

It is the mans character, the lies, the secrecy, that are at the root of most ridicule of him. He simply can't be trusted, and that has been proven time and again.

If it were as simple as policy the nation and the world as a whole may be upset, but we wouldn't be in fear of losing our sovereignty or our rights and freedom as a nation.

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/americans-to-get-their-presents-tomorrow-before-obama-does-t12686.html

Once again putting the American people before his own family, President Obama traveled to the Aleutian Time Zone so Santa can visit all of the mainland United States before dropping off presents for the First Family.

Times are tough, people are out of work, the President said in a statement from his $3,500 a night luxury rental property in Kailua, a tranquil residential area on the windward coast of Oahu.With so many American families suffering this Christmas, it is only right that I make sure that Santa brings them their presents first.

On Saturday the President took his family into a 17 day exile on the Hawaiian isles. While
many Americans get to enjoy a winter wonderland of snow and freezing temperatures, the First Family will be forced to endure the un-Christmas-like climate of tropical sandy beaches and temperatures in upper 70's.

But worst of all, being in a time zone hours behind of the rest of the United States has left the First Family at the end of Santa's route on Christmas Eve. Since Barack and Michelle Obama do not give each other or their children presents at Christmas, they will end up with whatever dregs Santa has left in his bag when he finally gets to Hawaii.

Over the weekend the President appeared carefree as he played his 152nd round of golf at the Marine Corps base at Kaneohe Bay. However insiders say he is secretly worried about what Santa will bring him and his family.

"The First Family does not handle disappointment very well," said a source who for obvious reasons wished to remain anonymous. "If Santa doesn't come through with the good presents tomorrow, I'm not sure how the Obamas will be able to get through the rest of their five million dollar vacation."

I ought to care more about what's right than I do about what's popular. I ought to be willing to give this whole thing up for something I believe in. President "Dave"...I definitely would have voted for this guy





"We have no doubt that this Proclamation seals the fate of this Union as it was and the Constitution as it is.… The time is brief when we shall have a DICTATOR PROCLAIMED, for the Proclamation can never be carried out except under the iron rule of the worst kind of despotism."
written about the Emancipation Proclamation and the very unpopular 'dictator' Abe Lincoln who was going to ruin American life too,,,,,

This small forum is hardly the world at large, and why is Snowden in exile again?