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msharmony's photo
Wed 12/18/13 02:49 PM







That's right. Skin color is just a physiological characteristic, and non-racists know that.


lol,, as do racists


Well, I am not a racist, and I do not associate with any.

My friends and I do not judge people according to their skin color. Thankfully, there are still plenty of non-racists in America. :smile:

Anyway, we now know that the OP is a hypothetical situation.



yes, and by your definition of racist,,one who judges people according to their skin color

neither am I or most people, most people have the conscious to be open with INDIVIDUALS They meet or associate with to leave the door open for their preconceptions and assumptions to be proven or proven wrong


but , MOST AMERICANS still do have them,, whether they admit to them or not,, and MY DEFINITION includes those people,,,


noway msharmony, are you saying that, according to your definition of racism, most Americans are racists?




umm,,, yeah

Most Americans are racist? and we have a black president, who couldn't have gotten elected with the black vote alone(although statistics say he took 95% of it) But the white vote was split about 50-50,

If your definition were true(it isn't) we wouldn't have a black president, as there had to be enough NON-RACIST American's to vote for Obama(a racist wouldn't vote for him) So sorry if that is your belief but is isn't based on any sort of facts.



my idea of racism doesn't mandate hatred of any type

and people can have ideas about 'groups' while still allowing for observation of 'individuals'

not to mention , a great percentage of americans don't bother to vote


so, yes, we could and DO Have a black president even in a country where most have racist (race based) opinions and perceptions,,,,

in your own example, although it was hypothetical, that person found that MOST blacks weren't attractive, yet was still dating a black woman,,,right?

glasgow74's photo
Wed 12/18/13 03:15 PM
If you like someone and or are attracted to their personality and character that's how to judge real attraction. Appearance doesn't matter to me hair, eyes, skin colour I find good conversation the greatest turn on

msharmony's photo
Wed 12/18/13 03:17 PM

If you like someone and or are attracted to their personality and character that's how to judge real attraction. Appearance doesn't matter to me hair, eyes, skin colour I find good conversation the greatest turn on



that's an awesome standard,,,kudosdrinker

glasgow74's photo
Wed 12/18/13 03:32 PM
A sexy girl is a sexy girl regardless of anything else if she makes you smile and you work as a couple then it's all good. And who gives a **** about what anyone else thinks there is too many bitter moronic haters in the world.

glasgow74's photo
Wed 12/18/13 03:33 PM
Thank you x

glasgow74's photo
Wed 12/18/13 03:34 PM


If you like someone and or are attracted to their personality and character that's how to judge real attraction. Appearance doesn't matter to me hair, eyes, skin colour I find good conversation the greatest turn on



that's an awesome standard,,,kudosdrinker

no photo
Wed 12/18/13 08:09 PM


I've been avoiding posting here, because topics like this really annoy me, but I can't help myself, so I'm posting anyway. I'm with TeeBee, what is the point of this thread? To make it known that you don't like black women? Did someone assume you did? I'm a black woman and I'd never assume a white guy liked a black woman, even if he said he did, I wouldn't believe him. Based on history and all that good stuff. I've never personally known a white guy who treated a black woman with anything resembling respect. (For those who have, good on you, I can only speak for myself)

The only point I see in you making this thread is to insult black women. Why? I don't know. Unless you're constantly inundated with black women approaching you sexually (which I seriously doubt) I don't see why you would post this. I used to get emails from Indians and Nigerians on the regular until I changed my filters, I'm not attracted to them either, but I would never make a post attempting to shame them. That is plain rude and unnecessary. You prefer blondes over brunettes and you don't see the difference in not liking black women? You're saying you prefer one type of white woman over another, that has nothing to do with race, since you're white.

If you don't see the difference is discussing the merits of one woman over the other and then trying to compare that over not liking anything about black women, you need to educate yourself. That is a racist statement. That is an unnecessary statement. I wonder what would happen if I made a thread extolling the virtues of light skinned black men over dark skinned black men and then said, "but to me, all white men are ugly." Pretty sure I'd be in hot water for that.

Whether or not you like the term or not, you're a racist, not because of how you feel, but because you felt the need to voice it. Racists attempt to hurt and shame people, tolerant people keep those opinions to themselves. I can see if a black woman approached you sexually and you told her you're not attracted to black women, in that case, it would be her fault for bothering you at all, but in this case, this is entirely unwarranted and more than a little sad. Do you feel better for having posted this? I hope so, if nothing else, it reveals your character.

That is all.


This thread doesn't reveal my character at all, but if you think it does than go ahead. The reason I discussed this is because my girlfriend and I were discussing race and why here father wouldn't like me(he's black) and he wants his daughter to date black guy, and she knows he wouldn't accept me because i'm white. But she says she has a preference for white guys, so really no guy that she likes can she feel comfortable bringing home(if he's white).

The reason I posted it from my perspective is because if I said I don't feel accepted because of my white skin-color I would get crucified on here and people saying "you have no idea what it's like...don't pretend you know how minorities feel" or something to that respect.

I understand people have strong feelings on the issue(as they should) but i was curious to see the general reactions of what people think and why saying someone may be more attracted to one skin-tone over another, just as someone may be more attracted to one eye-color or another. I understand black comes in all different shades, and I never said I would rule someone out just because the color of their skin, I simply said I may don't find most black girls attractive(or really my girlfriend saying she doesn't find most black guys attractive, but it was translated to be from my perspective)



They were so quick to judge and so quick to jump...I wonder if thats any better than being racist?

Ruth34611's photo
Wed 12/18/13 08:34 PM

Some people are paranoid and always looking for things to get outraged about.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones yada, yada, yada...

Have preferences and ignore everyone else.


^^^ This.

msharmony's photo
Wed 12/18/13 08:46 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 12/18/13 08:54 PM



I've been avoiding posting here, because topics like this really annoy me, but I can't help myself, so I'm posting anyway. I'm with TeeBee, what is the point of this thread? To make it known that you don't like black women? Did someone assume you did? I'm a black woman and I'd never assume a white guy liked a black woman, even if he said he did, I wouldn't believe him. Based on history and all that good stuff. I've never personally known a white guy who treated a black woman with anything resembling respect. (For those who have, good on you, I can only speak for myself)

The only point I see in you making this thread is to insult black women. Why? I don't know. Unless you're constantly inundated with black women approaching you sexually (which I seriously doubt) I don't see why you would post this. I used to get emails from Indians and Nigerians on the regular until I changed my filters, I'm not attracted to them either, but I would never make a post attempting to shame them. That is plain rude and unnecessary. You prefer blondes over brunettes and you don't see the difference in not liking black women? You're saying you prefer one type of white woman over another, that has nothing to do with race, since you're white.

If you don't see the difference is discussing the merits of one woman over the other and then trying to compare that over not liking anything about black women, you need to educate yourself. That is a racist statement. That is an unnecessary statement. I wonder what would happen if I made a thread extolling the virtues of light skinned black men over dark skinned black men and then said, "but to me, all white men are ugly." Pretty sure I'd be in hot water for that.

Whether or not you like the term or not, you're a racist, not because of how you feel, but because you felt the need to voice it. Racists attempt to hurt and shame people, tolerant people keep those opinions to themselves. I can see if a black woman approached you sexually and you told her you're not attracted to black women, in that case, it would be her fault for bothering you at all, but in this case, this is entirely unwarranted and more than a little sad. Do you feel better for having posted this? I hope so, if nothing else, it reveals your character.

That is all.


This thread doesn't reveal my character at all, but if you think it does than go ahead. The reason I discussed this is because my girlfriend and I were discussing race and why here father wouldn't like me(he's black) and he wants his daughter to date black guy, and she knows he wouldn't accept me because i'm white. But she says she has a preference for white guys, so really no guy that she likes can she feel comfortable bringing home(if he's white).

The reason I posted it from my perspective is because if I said I don't feel accepted because of my white skin-color I would get crucified on here and people saying "you have no idea what it's like...don't pretend you know how minorities feel" or something to that respect.

I understand people have strong feelings on the issue(as they should) but i was curious to see the general reactions of what people think and why saying someone may be more attracted to one skin-tone over another, just as someone may be more attracted to one eye-color or another. I understand black comes in all different shades, and I never said I would rule someone out just because the color of their skin, I simply said I may don't find most black girls attractive(or really my girlfriend saying she doesn't find most black guys attractive, but it was translated to be from my perspective)



They were so quick to judge and so quick to jump...I wonder if thats any better than being racist?


I don't know if judging a statement as racist, or inconsiderate, or whatever other adjective is anything but a natural part of having a brain,,,,


I think that is different from judging a person though,,,jumping to judgments about a person for any singular reason, a statement, an action, a mistake, a triumph,,,,is silly to me,, people are compelx

ridewytepony's photo
Wed 12/18/13 09:15 PM


I've been avoiding posting here, because topics like this really annoy me, but I can't help myself, so I'm posting anyway. I'm with TeeBee, what is the point of this thread? To make it known that you don't like black women? Did someone assume you did? I'm a black woman and I'd never assume a white guy liked a black woman, even if he said he did, I wouldn't believe him. Based on history and all that good stuff. I've never personally known a white guy who treated a black woman with anything resembling respect. (For those who have, good on you, I can only speak for myself)

The only point I see in you making this thread is to insult black women. Why? I don't know. Unless you're constantly inundated with black women approaching you sexually (which I seriously doubt) I don't see why you would post this. I used to get emails from Indians and Nigerians on the regular until I changed my filters, I'm not attracted to them either, but I would never make a post attempting to shame them. That is plain rude and unnecessary. You prefer blondes over brunettes and you don't see the difference in not liking black women? You're saying you prefer one type of white woman over another, that has nothing to do with race, since you're white.

If you don't see the difference is discussing the merits of one woman over the other and then trying to compare that over not liking anything about black women, you need to educate yourself. That is a racist statement. That is an unnecessary statement. I wonder what would happen if I made a thread extolling the virtues of light skinned black men over dark skinned black men and then said, "but to me, all white men are ugly." Pretty sure I'd be in hot water for that.

Whether or not you like the term or not, you're a racist, not because of how you feel, but because you felt the need to voice it. Racists attempt to hurt and shame people, tolerant people keep those opinions to themselves. I can see if a black woman approached you sexually and you told her you're not attracted to black women, in that case, it would be her fault for bothering you at all, but in this case, this is entirely unwarranted and more than a little sad. Do you feel better for having posted this? I hope so, if nothing else, it reveals your character.

That is all.


This thread doesn't reveal my character at all, but if you think it does than go ahead. The reason I discussed this is because my girlfriend and I were discussing race and why here father wouldn't like me(he's black) and he wants his daughter to date black guy, and she knows he wouldn't accept me because i'm white. But she says she has a preference for white guys, so really no guy that she likes can she feel comfortable bringing home(if he's white).

The reason I posted it from my perspective is because if I said I don't feel accepted because of my white skin-color I would get crucified on here and people saying "you have no idea what it's like...don't pretend you know how minorities feel" or something to that respect.

I understand people have strong feelings on the issue(as they should) but i was curious to see the general reactions of what people think and why saying someone may be more attracted to one skin-tone over another, just as someone may be more attracted to one eye-color or another. I understand black comes in all different shades, and I never said I would rule someone out just because the color of their skin, I simply said I may don't find most black girls attractive(or really my girlfriend saying she doesn't find most black guys attractive, but it was translated to be from my perspective)


[/quote,
You won't go there, but you are in favor of threads which offend people with
Neurologicalmental disabilities. is that because
there is a higher percentage of America American
than neurologicalmental disorders on here that are
likely to defend, its easier to write ,argue about a
a class that generally doesn't have a voice. ?
That true isn't it.? Lets not offend these people over
here..BUT lets offend this smaller silent crowd over
here.?

jacktrades's photo
Wed 12/18/13 10:27 PM

A sexy girl is a sexy girl regardless of anything else if she makes you smile and you work as a couple then it's all good. And who gives a **** about what anyone else thinks there is too many bitter moronic haters in the world.

Damn straight brother! If I found my true love I could careless what anybody thinks. Women are beautiful in all shapes and sizes and colors its who they really are that seals the deal.

Lost_in_reverie's photo
Thu 12/19/13 01:47 AM
Sad because when you put a bunch of very young kids together they could care less about race and you don't see the labels that are later applied usually out of spite and jealousy. .


Or children do notice and comment on it, but it's out of curiosity than any sense of malice. For example, if they grow up in an environment where they don't tend to meet anyone of other races until they reach school. I know my niece was curious when she started school and one of her new friends was a black girl - she was mystified by the difference in skin colour, but it was just one of life's many wonders for her.

The problem I have noticed these days is not of race, but of size. Due to all this media attention over weight and size, my niece has developed a very negative view of bigger people and makes not so nice comments about people who are chubby in a class. She's 8 now and talks like a teenager about not wanting to put weight on, like it's something to be scared of.

Lost_in_reverie's photo
Thu 12/19/13 01:56 AM

This thread doesn't reveal my character at all, but if you think it does than go ahead. The reason I discussed this is because my girlfriend and I were discussing race and why here father wouldn't like me(he's black) and he wants his daughter to date black guy, and she knows he wouldn't accept me because i'm white. But she says she has a preference for white guys, so really no guy that she likes can she feel comfortable bringing home(if he's white).

The reason I posted it from my perspective is because if I said I don't feel accepted because of my white skin-color I would get crucified on here and people saying "you have no idea what it's like...don't pretend you know how minorities feel" or something to that respect.

I understand people have strong feelings on the issue(as they should) but i was curious to see the general reactions of what people think and why saying someone may be more attracted to one skin-tone over another, just as someone may be more attracted to one eye-color or another. I understand black comes in all different shades, and I never said I would rule someone out just because the color of their skin, I simply said I may don't find most black girls attractive(or really my girlfriend saying she doesn't find most black guys attractive, but it was translated to be from my perspective)




I do get really annoyed with people holding onto this idea that a person needs to fit the criteria before they'll even be considered. The way I see it, if your previous relationships haven't worked then maybe it's time you moved away from that "type". The clincher is whether you're attracted to other people though. You can't force yourself to fall for someone you're not attracted to on some level. As it's been said before, everyone has preferences but none of that is set in stone. It's entirely possible you could find yourself falling for someone not of your "type".

In terms of your issue with your girlfriend's father - not an easy situation to be in at all! It may be that he learns to accept you when he eventually meets you, but you can't force him to change his mind. He has to choose to give you a chance, and see you're good for his daughter, just like anyone else has to open their tiny minds to see there are many beautiful personalities out there in the world.

Best of luck!

glasgow74's photo
Thu 12/19/13 02:37 AM
True love is blind and too cell with the rest of the world and with true love comes respect, trust and unadulterated Lust for each other and that's all you truly need from a partner. Everything else becomes easy when all you wanna do is please and be there for each other

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 12/19/13 05:27 AM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 12/19/13 05:29 AM






That's right. Skin color is just a physiological characteristic, and non-racists know that.

lol,, as do racists

Well, I am not a racist, and I do not associate with any.

My friends and I do not judge people according to their skin color. Thankfully, there are still plenty of non-racists in America. :smile:

Anyway, we now know that the OP is a hypothetical situation.

yes, and by your definition of racist,,one who judges people according to their skin color

neither am I or most people, most people have the conscious to be open with INDIVIDUALS They meet or associate with to leave the door open for their preconceptions and assumptions to be proven or proven wrong

but , MOST AMERICANS still do have them,, whether they admit to them or not,, and MY DEFINITION includes those people,,,

noway msharmony, are you saying that, according to your definition of racism, most Americans are racists?

umm,,, yeah

Gee, I wonder how the other Americans on this website feel about being called racists.

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/19/13 08:16 AM







That's right. Skin color is just a physiological characteristic, and non-racists know that.

lol,, as do racists

Well, I am not a racist, and I do not associate with any.

My friends and I do not judge people according to their skin color. Thankfully, there are still plenty of non-racists in America. :smile:

Anyway, we now know that the OP is a hypothetical situation.

yes, and by your definition of racist,,one who judges people according to their skin color

neither am I or most people, most people have the conscious to be open with INDIVIDUALS They meet or associate with to leave the door open for their preconceptions and assumptions to be proven or proven wrong

but , MOST AMERICANS still do have them,, whether they admit to them or not,, and MY DEFINITION includes those people,,,

noway msharmony, are you saying that, according to your definition of racism, most Americans are racists?

umm,,, yeah

Gee, I wonder how the other Americans on this website feel about being called racists.



IM sure those that are only willing to consider their own definition of the word,, as a 'bad' thing,, wouldn't be happy

although, I didn't name names, and if the shoe doesn't fit?

a majority of americans are also obese

but those who aren't don't automatically become defensive over that statement,,,

sampreet's photo
Thu 12/19/13 10:07 AM
hi

ridewytepony's photo
Thu 12/19/13 11:44 AM





This thread doesn't reveal my character at all, but if you think it does than go ahead. The reason I discussed this is because my girlfriend and I were discussing race and why here father wouldn't like me(he's black) and he wants his daughter to date black guy, and she knows he wouldn't accept me because i'm white. But she says she has a preference for white guys, so really no guy that she likes can she feel comfortable bringing home(if he's white).

The reason I posted it from my perspective is because if I said I don't feel accepted because of my white skin-color I would get crucified on here and people saying "you have no idea what it's like...don't pretend you know how minorities feel" or something to that respect.

I understand people have strong feelings on the issue(as they should)


[/quote,
You won't go there, but you are in favor of threads which offend people with
Neurologicalmental disabilities. is that because
there is a higher percentage of America American
than neurologicalmental disorders on here that are
likely to defend, its easier to write ,argue about a
a class that generally doesn't have a voice. ?
Thats true isn't it.? Lets not offend these people over
here..BUT lets offend this smaller silent crowd over
here.?

To clarify!
Its the inability to recognize that they are the
same thing and therefore should merit the same respect.
Thats where it again becomes insulting.

Kinda was waiting a bit, to see what was up
as that was completely a different story in your
first post as to what you had told me about
yourself on another thread the other day...lol
In regards to ppeople having in their heads exactly
what they want and expect in a partner, and I agree
there, thats just a concept and you will never get
the whole package. after all..are we the whole package.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 12/19/13 12:22 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Thu 12/19/13 12:23 PM





noway msharmony, are you saying that, according to your definition of racism, most Americans are racists?

umm,,, yeah

Gee, I wonder how the other Americans on this website feel about being called racists.

IM sure those that are only willing to consider their own definition of the word,, as a 'bad' thing,, wouldn't be happy

although, I didn't name names, and if the shoe doesn't fit?

a majority of americans are also obese

but those who aren't don't automatically become defensive over that statement,,,


huh Your claim that the majority of Americans are racists reminds me of a common excuse that a child uses in an attempt to get out of trouble.

Child: "Everybody's doing it!"

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/19/13 04:00 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 12/19/13 04:01 PM






noway msharmony, are you saying that, according to your definition of racism, most Americans are racists?

umm,,, yeah

Gee, I wonder how the other Americans on this website feel about being called racists.

IM sure those that are only willing to consider their own definition of the word,, as a 'bad' thing,, wouldn't be happy

although, I didn't name names, and if the shoe doesn't fit?

a majority of americans are also obese

but those who aren't don't automatically become defensive over that statement,,,


huh Your claim that the majority of Americans are racists reminds me of a common excuse that a child uses in an attempt to get out of trouble.

Child: "Everybody's doing it!"




except IM not talking about what anyone 'does', IM talking about the values and images and ideas common in a culture,,,

and I didnt say 'everybody', I said 'most',, and even clarified in another post those brought up in the PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM and around INTERNET AND MEDIA,,,

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