To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.

Thomas Jefferson

yes, but to exploit the industry of other nations or separate families to exploit their 'industry' ,, was apparently not so bad

the problem is not everyone can get 'fruits' from their labor,,,some cant even find a place where they can perform their labor,,,

when Jefferson died, there were 9 million people in the us and about 7 per square mile,, not a lot of COMPETITION for the fruits or labor

there are now 300 some odd million and about 83 people per square mile,,,

'free exercise' is no more relevant to modern times than a musket is,,,

"again with the 47 percent figure, I don't know what that refers to,,, the unemployment rate is at 7 percent

93 percent of those who can ARE contributing something 'reasonable' everytime they go to work to contribute to the profits of those who will earn enough to pay taxes,,,,"

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-49-americans-get-gov-t-benefits-82m-households-medicaid

I believe the 47% that is being used refers to the people who receive government assistance from one or more agencies.
It's actually higher than 47% but I believe that the figures isn't fair so it shouldn't be used. It include Social Security received by seniors which is a earned benefit rather than an unearned benefit.....even if they get more than was contributed on their behalf. That Ponzi scheme isn't the fault of those seniors.

You think the governments taxation system makes 93% of the people contribute what is reasonable? I can't believe you think "wealthy people" are contributing something "reasonable". Or didn't you realize that those evil people are part of 93%?

What a stretch....now you are contending that because someone's employer is paying taxes it wouldn't happen without the employees who don't pay any income tax. Many of who get a tax credits on top of not paying any income tax that far exceeds what they "contributed". Is this derivative of Obama and Elizabeth Warren declaration to employers that "you didn't build that" crap?

Beyond ridiculous.
Keep reaching. SMH

constitution was made to be a living and growing document

its not reaching at all

let me put it in simpler analogy


say, I own a company that sells cookies, someone has to prepare and BAKE the cookies, I Cant do it all on my own because of the demand

so , lets say, I make a 10 dollar profit off of every cookie after expenses,,,,lets say the people working to make and sell the cookies make 1 dollar off every cookie and lets say I have ten employees, and they prepare and sell 100 cookies per shift each,,, so, ,after THEIR efforts they earned 100 dollars each, 1000 total amongst them, and I earned 10000

total profits all around, 11000 from the WORK of all



now, what is the difference in the contribution or value of these individuals to the tax,,, if it is collected by taking 1000 from the owner off of his own,, or dividing that 1000 equally amongst all 11,,, even though one clearly gets an exponentially larger profit from all that effort than the others

why would he be expected to pay an EQUAL amount when he already sees a GREATER benefit from their work than they do?

and for those so terrified that your DOLLAR may end up in the pocket of someone undeserving and lazy and not contributing


there are many countries that don't have that expectation from their citizens,, many are in the middle east and Africa,, but hey,, you get what you pay (or don't) pay for

and those that are safe, tend to do it by the PROFITS their country makes exporting a resource AND/OR by requiring corporations and EMPLOYERS To contribute part of their profits towards the revenue,,,,,,

instead of employees

and for those so terrified that your DOLLAR may end up in the pocket of someone undeserving and lazy and not contributing


there are many countries that don't have that expectation from their citizens,, many are in the middle east and Africa,, but hey,, you get what you pay (or don't) pay for

and those that are safe, tend to do it by the PROFITS their country makes exporting a resource AND/OR by requiring corporations and EMPLOYERS To contribute part of their profits towards the revenue,,,,,,

instead of employees

its not reaching at all

let me put it in simpler analogy


say, I own a company that sells cookies, someone has to prepare and BAKE the cookies, I Cant do it all on my own because of the demand

so , lets say, I make a 10 dollar profit off of every cookie after expenses,,,,lets say the people working to make and sell the cookies make 1 dollar off every cookie and lets say I have ten employees, and they prepare and sell 100 cookies per shift each,,, so, ,after THEIR efforts they earned 100 dollars each, 1000 total amongst them, and I earned 10000

total profits all around, 11000 from the WORK of all



now, what is the difference in the contribution or value of these individuals to the tax,,, if it is collected by taking 1000 from the owner off of his own,, or dividing that 1000 equally amongst all 11,,, even though one clearly gets an exponentially larger profit from all that effort than the others

why would he be expected to pay an EQUAL amount when he already sees a GREATER benefit from their work than they do?

Now you are reaching and showing your ignorance about the operation
of a business. You don't to take into account the operating expense of the company. You fail to take into account any of the cost to employ someone such as matching FDIC, unemployment insurance, workman's comp, etc. Total revenue and profit aren't the same, not even close to being the same.

Try again. SMH

Here's the problem with this analogy, it ignores INCREASING EXPENSES, The employees will eventually want a RAISE and in order to provide that the OWNER needs to SPEND HIS PROFITS back into the company, because if he doesn't his business will NEVER GROW.

That's right it may only be a DOLLAR to some, but for some that DOLLAR represent WORK THEY DID, I don't think my WORK should go to benefit someone WHO DIDN'T DO THAT WORK!

Why should others take any of MY EARNINGS(Key word is EARN here) when they were capable of EARNING themselves!

Just thought I'd share......

My Laotian friends just left. They wanted to know if you were a communist.

Now you are reaching and showing your ignorance about the operation business. You don't to take into account the operating expense of the company. You fail to take into account any of the cost to employ someone such as matching FDIC, unemployment insurance, workman's comp, etc. Total revenue and profit aren't the same, not even close to being the same.

Try again. SMH

I'm out of this argument, don't know why I got sucked in in the first place I normally live by the following motto and I am failing

"Never argue with an idiotic point of view, it will only drag you down to arguing at an idiotic level"

lol,, wow

again, PROFIT AFTER EXPENSE,,that would include all those things you are taking into account

I DID TAKE THEM INTO ACCOUNT, THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN TE PROFIT I AM USING AS AN EXAMPLE,,,

we will be in for many a year of rich, whining and hand-wringing on the part of people who think they are the victims of injustice, just because now they are having to share some of the spoils of the society’s wealth with those working class and darker skinned folks who helped create the vast majority of it, but who up to now have received little of the reward. We are not entitled to the advantages we are losing (however slowly), and people of color and the poor are not obligated to listen to it, for one more minute.
Tim Wise

so, I also agree, that leaving is the best option for me amongst this crowd as well,,,,,as usual,,,