Topic: Why the ACA?
TJN's photo
Tue 10/29/13 03:02 PM
Why did we make an entire new system when we already have one?

Why not just leave everyone who has insurance alone.

Then set up policies in Medicare and make those who don't have insurance buy policies through Medicare?

msharmony's photo
Tue 10/29/13 03:06 PM
it would be little difference

taxpayers would gripe about raising costs on medicare too

those who were most in need but unable to afford insurance, now can get it

that was the point, imho

and insurers have one less reason to charge unreasonable rates if the insurance market is saturated with more policyholders paying in,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 10/29/13 03:29 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Tue 10/29/13 03:30 PM
From Bloomberg.com:

"The Obamacare rollout is leading to the cancellation of hundreds of thousands of health insurance plans nationwide, contradicting President Barack Obama's repeated pledge that people who like their coverage can keep it."

Obamacare is an improvement how?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 10/29/13 03:41 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 10/29/13 04:20 PM

From Bloomberg.com:

"The Obamacare rollout is leading to the cancellation of hundreds of thousands of health insurance plans nationwide, contradicting President Barack Obama's repeated pledge that people who like their coverage can keep it."

Obamacare is an improvement how?


Correction my friend..... 16,000,000 cancellations. So not only will it be unaffordable to a large majority who now have limited coverage, but most who don't, and 16,000,000 more already on plans scheduled to be cancelled.

Yep, just another Obumya lie..... no big deal....nothing new here.

(And that's only the tip of the iceberg....wait till it goes into effect!)

16,000,000 Insured People About To Lose Their Health Insurance

Obozo quote (lie):

"��If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/05/30/obamacare-reminder-if-you-like-your-healthcare-plan-you-cant-necessarily-keep-it-n1608963

Anyone believe this will fly, and if it does, will it be the end of this monstrosity?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2781393373001/rep-barton-on-bill-to-make-obamacare-voluntary/?playlist_id=2114913880001

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 10/29/13 04:51 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Tue 10/29/13 04:52 PM
Sounds to me like ObummaCare denies people their freedom of choice. Myself, I can't think of a more sacred right than the right to self-determination (which relies on freedom of choice).

Anything that restricts or denies you freedom of choice is essentially legislation for slaves, not free men & women.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 10/30/13 01:22 AM
wonder why they didn't name it the CACA?pitchfork

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Wed 10/30/13 03:28 PM

wonder why they didn't name it the CACA?pitchfork


They didn't want to get it confused with what the legislators who supported it were full of.

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 10/30/13 06:20 PM

it would be little difference

taxpayers would gripe about raising costs on medicare too


I don't think it's so much a gipe about raising taxes, but inefficient use of this tax money that truely bothers people...


those who were most in need but unable to afford insurance, now can get it



AND now certain people who could have afforded insurance can no longer do so... Not very comfortably at least...



and insurers have one less reason to charge unreasonable rates if the insurance market is saturated with more policyholders paying in,,,


This i find quite interesting as you seemingly advocating government making people buy insurance to boost profits... This is quite contradictory to the notion of helping those in need. (Again, note that I emphasize "seeming".

Drivinmenutz's photo
Wed 10/30/13 06:42 PM
What people seem not to understand is the fact that insurance companies became a huge problem in our healthcare. Non-medical personnel dictate medical procedures, so now the medical staff is no longer working in the patients' best interests. Also insurance is draining money out of the productive portion of healthcare and putting it in the pockets of their employees. An increasing number of lawyers are needed to fight for both sides, and as a result, more staff is required to deal with billing paperwork. This drains our a HUGE amount of money out or our healthcare system.

What does our government do? Require everyone buy insurance of course...

There seems to be little knowledge of the fact that medicare and medicade cost the system a huge amount of money as well. They often don't pay on time, they grossly underpay hospitals, and sometimes they don't pay at all. (this was a recent issue in my state)

Another huge cost in medical care comes from the outrageous markup on medical equipment and supplies (1000% markup in some cases).

What does our government do? Put a tax on medical equipment/supplies.

Another huge issue with our healthcare resides in pharmaceutical companies charging ridiculous prices for medications. Switching to generic meds whenever possible could save as much as 25% of the total cost of healthcare.

What does our government do? Nothing. (Not that i have heard of.)


Don't get me started on the salaries of medical staff. If we cut any salaries it needs to be administration, not the medical professionals.

Anyhow, ACA does not seem to address any of these issues. And how anyone could support a massive bill without reading it is beyond me...