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Topic: self made? or not,,,
hellsboy Joined Tue 09/17/13 Posts: 2549	Fri 10/18/13 07:11 PM
It is candi... im speechless

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Fri 10/18/13 08:01 PM
He told them "I have not healed you, your own belief has healed you" Care to cite where the Bible says that? Of course you won't, because the Bible doesn't say that.

Candiapples Joined Thu 07/18/13 Posts: 1941	Fri 10/18/13 08:40 PM Edited by Candiapples on Fri 10/18/13 08:41 PM
He told them "I have not healed you, your own belief has healed you" Care to cite where the Bible says that? Of course you won't, because the Bible doesn't say that.

Candiapples Joined Thu 07/18/13 Posts: 1941	Fri 10/18/13 08:55 PM
You could be right..I thought i read it somewhere however in many verses which I can find for you, Jesus tells the people that their belief is what heals them..

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Fri 10/18/13 08:57 PM
You could be right..I thought i read it somewhere however in many verses which I can find for you, Jesus tells the people that their belief is what heals them.. I could be wrong. So, how about citing a Bible verse which says that?

Candiapples Joined Thu 07/18/13 Posts: 1941	Fri 10/18/13 08:59 PM
hang on..Im tying to have a chat too

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Fri 10/18/13 09:01 PM
hang on..Im tying to have a chat too Help me out. I like learning new things. Maybe I missed something.

Candiapples Joined Thu 07/18/13 Posts: 1941	Fri 10/18/13 09:02 PM
Mark 5:34 He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering." (NIV) Luke 8:50 Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, "Don't be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed." (NIV)

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Fri 10/18/13 09:12 PM
Mark 5:34 He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering." (NIV) Luke 8:50 Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, "Don't be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed." (NIV) Well done! You pointed out something in the Bible that I overlooked. So, my previous claim is technically wrong. However, faith has to be faith in something or someone. The healings mentioned in those Bible verses were the result of faith in Jesus. Without faith in Jesus, those healings would not have happened. Anyway, back to our regularly-scheduled discussion thread, which is already in progress.

Candiapples Joined Thu 07/18/13 Posts: 1941	Fri 10/18/13 09:24 PM
Matthew Chapter 13 58. And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief

Candiapples Joined Thu 07/18/13 Posts: 1941	Fri 10/18/13 09:30 PM
Mark 5:34 He said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering." (NIV) Luke 8:50 Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, "Don't be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed." (NIV) Well done! You pointed out something in the Bible that I overlooked. So, my previous claim is technically wrong. However, faith has to be faith in something or someone. The healings mentioned in those Bible verses were the result of faith in Jesus. Without faith in Jesus, those healings would not have happened. Anyway, back to our regularly-scheduled discussion thread, which is already in progress. Thats what I said earlier and it doesn't matter how that belief comes about right?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Fri 10/18/13 10:30 PM
Matthew Chapter 13 58. And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief Their unbelief in Jesus. Anyway, let's get back on topic. I don't see this Bible discussion as being relevant to the topic of the OP.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 10/19/13 03:56 AM
Some people are blessed by gaining wealth through inheritance (Ex:Ted Kennedy) or through marriage (Ex:John Kerry). Some people do not have such a blessing. Instead, they start out with little money, and then, through taking risks and making wise decisions, they earn wealth (Ex: Bill Gates). So-called "self-made" people are people who earned what they have. Society contributes to the acquisition of wealth by giving people opportunities to acquire wealth. However, those opportunities are worthless if people do not have the initiative to take risks and to make wise decisions. I guess its semantics in nature for instance, a prostitute may get paid 1000 to sit with someone an hour,,,,in essence 'earning' what she has while someone else may teach children 40 hours in a week and only be paid 500 did they both 'earn' the money? yes was it entirely because of how hard they worked and did the prostitute somehow deserve twice as much as the teacher? no,,,,the difference is in whether and how much someone chose to value their work,,,,that is the blessing that comes from something else other than 'earning' and being 'self' made,,, we have a society that in far too many ways undervalues some people and not others,,, and being in a position, coming upon the opportunity that values us ,, is our blessing,,, how much more OUR opportunity valued us than the opportunities others have seem to value them is not a matter of our hard work, ambition, perseverance, or how much better or more deserving we are than anyone else,,, that is a matter of blessing and social priorities and values,,, I did not say anything about people working hard. I said that people who start out poor gain wealth by taking risks and making wise choices. Is the teacher/prostitute analogy a good analogy to use? I think not, because the prostitute is doing something that is illegal, which is reason for her high price. legality aside, she is worth what someone is willing to pay her,, some people are blessed to find opportunities with people who will pay them something decent,, others are not

misswright Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 1893	Sat 10/19/13 06:46 AM
Some people are blessed by gaining wealth through inheritance (Ex:Ted Kennedy) or through marriage (Ex:John Kerry). Some people do not have such a blessing. Instead, they start out with little money, and then, through taking risks and making wise decisions, they earn wealth (Ex: Bill Gates). So-called "self-made" people are people who earned what they have. Society contributes to the acquisition of wealth by giving people opportunities to acquire wealth. However, those opportunities are worthless if people do not have the initiative to take risks and to make wise decisions. I guess its semantics in nature for instance, a prostitute may get paid 1000 to sit with someone an hour,,,,in essence 'earning' what she has while someone else may teach children 40 hours in a week and only be paid 500 did they both 'earn' the money? yes was it entirely because of how hard they worked and did the prostitute somehow deserve twice as much as the teacher? no,,,,the difference is in whether and how much someone chose to value their work,,,,that is the blessing that comes from something else other than 'earning' and being 'self' made,,, we have a society that in far too many ways undervalues some people and not others,,, and being in a position, coming upon the opportunity that values us ,, is our blessing,,, how much more OUR opportunity valued us than the opportunities others have seem to value them is not a matter of our hard work, ambition, perseverance, or how much better or more deserving we are than anyone else,,, that is a matter of blessing and social priorities and values,,, I did not say anything about people working hard. I said that people who start out poor gain wealth by taking risks and making wise choices. Is the teacher/prostitute analogy a good analogy to use? I think not, because the prostitute is doing something that is illegal, which is reason for her high price. legality aside, she is worth what someone is willing to pay her,, some people are blessed to find opportunities with people who will pay them something decent,, others are not Why compare apples to oranges for an analogy? Wouldn't it have been better to compare apples to apples? Say the high price hooker making $1000 per hour vs the crack whore making $500 for 40 hrs of the same kind of work. Did the high price hooker get more blessings from society 'cause guys see more value in her or did society shaft the crack whore 'cause she's not making as much as her counterpart? I'm thinking the only difference between them is how much they value themselves and what they choose to do with their earnings. High cost hooker charges an arm and a leg and spends her hard earned dough on a new sexy dress and a bottle of expensive perfume so she looks and smells good for her clients, and socks the rest away to pay for college so in 5 yrs she won't have to do this anymore. Crack whore practically gives it away and spends her meager earnings buying more crack so she can be high and forget that she's spreading her legs for barely enough money to buy more crack. In 5 yrs she also won't be doing this anymore because she'll overdose and die. Now explain to me how society has made these two woman so different. Both started out as attractive young girls and both chose to make money through prostitution, and society did their share by providing the men to sleep with them. Both started off with the same values, that it's okay to make money providing sex, but they clearly differ in their opinion of themselves and thus charge differently and spend differently now. One used the job as a way to better herself. The other just did the job. One ends up a self made success and the other is a self made failure. Did society fail the crack whore? Or did the crack whore make bad choices? They were both given the same thing from society, money for sex, and they both had the same opportunity to succeed or fail. The individuals are responsible for how they turned out. Blaming society for what you have or don't have is a cop out. You wanna know why you got what you got, look in the mirror. Disclaimer: You in the general sense. Not you personally. And no offense to any crack whores who might be reading this.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Sat 10/19/13 10:18 AM
Yes hookers are well paid. So are members of Congress. It shows the relative value of a piece of azz verses the whole azz.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 10/19/13 10:23 AM
Yes hookers are well paid. So are members of Congress. It shows the relative value of a piece of azz verses the whole azz.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 10/19/13 10:31 AM
the interesting thing is that "Self Made Man" is a purely American expression! In early American History it was possible to get from Rags to Riches by one's own Effort! Now to get there requires to kiss the Butt of a dozen or two Officials to get their permission in order to live and produce! Then you will be punished with Taxes and whatever other Funds they can extort from you,impeded with ludicrous "Regulations",and if somehow you do succeed,"You Didn't Build That",according to a certain Ne'er-Do-Well who at the moment has stolen the shape of the Leader of the USofA!

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Sat 10/19/13 10:33 AM
Yes hookers are well paid. So are members of Congress. It shows the relative value of a piece of azz verses the whole azz.

hellsboy Joined Tue 09/17/13 Posts: 2549	Sat 10/19/13 10:51 AM
Well done candi... im proud of u... I love u.... muahh

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 10/19/13 11:36 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 10/19/13 11:37 AM
Some people are blessed by gaining wealth through inheritance (Ex:Ted Kennedy) or through marriage (Ex:John Kerry). Some people do not have such a blessing. Instead, they start out with little money, and then, through taking risks and making wise decisions, they earn wealth (Ex: Bill Gates). So-called "self-made" people are people who earned what they have. Society contributes to the acquisition of wealth by giving people opportunities to acquire wealth. However, those opportunities are worthless if people do not have the initiative to take risks and to make wise decisions. I guess its semantics in nature for instance, a prostitute may get paid 1000 to sit with someone an hour,,,,in essence 'earning' what she has while someone else may teach children 40 hours in a week and only be paid 500 did they both 'earn' the money? yes was it entirely because of how hard they worked and did the prostitute somehow deserve twice as much as the teacher? no,,,,the difference is in whether and how much someone chose to value their work,,,,that is the blessing that comes from something else other than 'earning' and being 'self' made,,, we have a society that in far too many ways undervalues some people and not others,,, and being in a position, coming upon the opportunity that values us ,, is our blessing,,, how much more OUR opportunity valued us than the opportunities others have seem to value them is not a matter of our hard work, ambition, perseverance, or how much better or more deserving we are than anyone else,,, that is a matter of blessing and social priorities and values,,, I did not say anything about people working hard. I said that people who start out poor gain wealth by taking risks and making wise choices. Is the teacher/prostitute analogy a good analogy to use? I think not, because the prostitute is doing something that is illegal, which is reason for her high price. legality aside, she is worth what someone is willing to pay her,, some people are blessed to find opportunities with people who will pay them something decent,, others are not Why compare apples to oranges for an analogy? Wouldn't it have been better to compare apples to apples? Say the high price hooker making $1000 per hour vs the crack whore making $500 for 40 hrs of the same kind of work. Did the high price hooker get more blessings from society 'cause guys see more value in her or did society shaft the crack whore 'cause she's not making as much as her counterpart? I'm thinking the only difference between them is how much they value themselves and what they choose to do with their earnings. High cost hooker charges an arm and a leg and spends her hard earned dough on a new sexy dress and a bottle of expensive perfume so she looks and smells good for her clients, and socks the rest away to pay for college so in 5 yrs she won't have to do this anymore. Crack whore practically gives it away and spends her meager earnings buying more crack so she can be high and forget that she's spreading her legs for barely enough money to buy more crack. In 5 yrs she also won't be doing this anymore because she'll overdose and die. Now explain to me how society has made these two woman so different. Both started out as attractive young girls and both chose to make money through prostitution, and society did their share by providing the men to sleep with them. Both started off with the same values, that it's okay to make money providing sex, but they clearly differ in their opinion of themselves and thus charge differently and spend differently now. One used the job as a way to better herself. The other just did the job. One ends up a self made success and the other is a self made failure. Did society fail the crack whore? Or did the crack whore make bad choices? They were both given the same thing from society, money for sex, and they both had the same opportunity to succeed or fail. The individuals are responsible for how they turned out. Blaming society for what you have or don't have is a cop out. You wanna know why you got what you got, look in the mirror. Disclaimer: You in the general sense. Not you personally. And no offense to any crack whores who might be reading this.