Meanwhile, back in this universe . . .

Wait... I thought we where a Republic?

Nor is it of being a democrat....

Seriously? I am so amused at some of the moronic thought processes.

Some folks really think its ok to hold the economy hostage to get what you cant get by winning elections? We can talk about this after we default on our republican created debts, perhaps then reason may set in for some of you.

oh that will be OBamas fault too,, as it will be when those repubs are voted OUT for being such an unproductive congress,,,,

THE CONGRESS HAS A DEMONCRAP MAJORITY, the house has a repulsicon majority and yes, they do control the purse strings, but they ARE NOT responsible for this crap!

The problem is a psychotic potus who wants to play god and put himself above the constitution and the peoples house and congress!

I think its the end of republicans as we know them........ the people have had enough of the crazies.

THE CONGRESS HAS A DEMONCRAP MAJORITY, the house has a repulsicon majority and yes, they do control the purse strings, but they ARE NOT responsible for this crap!

The problem is a psychotic potus who wants to play god and put himself above the constitution and the peoples house and congress!

of course not




Sept. 27: The Senate votes 79-19 to end conservative efforts to derail the bill preventing a shutdown, with all Democrats and most Republicans opposing the conservatives. The Senate uses a party-line 54-44 vote to remove the House-approved provision defunding Obamacare, and an identical 54-44 vote to approve the overall bill. The bill, financing agencies through Nov. 15, goes back to the House.







Sept. 29: Just after midnight on Sunday morning, the House uses a rare and lengthy weekend session to shift its demands for restricting Obamacare. By a near party-line 231-192 vote, the House votes to delay implementation of the health care law by a year. It also votes 248-174 to repeal a tax on many medical devices that helps pay for the health care overhaul. The votes send the revamped shutdown bill back to the Senate.

Monday, Sept. 30:

—2:20 p.m. EDT: By 54-46, the Senate removes the House provisions postponing Obamacare and erasing the medical device tax. The shutdown bill moves back to the House.

—8:41 p.m.: The House approves a new shutdown bill 228-201 with different demands on Obamacare. It would delay for a year the requirement that individuals purchase health insurance, and require members of Congress and their staff to pay the full cost of health insurance, without the government paying part of the costs. The measure bounces to the Senate.

—9:37 p.m.: The Senate votes 54-46 to strip the House provisions on individual health insurance and federal health coverage subsidies for lawmakers and staff. The bill returns to the House.

—Shortly before midnight: White House Budget Office Director Sylvia Mathews Burwell sends memo to agency heads stating that a shutdown seems unavoidable and telling them to



But OBAMA DID IT,,,,,

Seems you don't even know why the repulsicons aren't budging either! It's not because of obozocare, it's because they said until the potus has a discussion with them about an out of control spending problem and the lack of a demoncrap budget, show how obozocare will be funded during a sequestration, they will not take a vote and the shutdown is unavoidable

85% of gov't is still running, there is already enough to pay the interest on the debt to keep from defaulting, SS and medicare, but the potus wants more and without a budget, the repulsicons say NO!

lol, of course,, before they pay the bills which is their JOB,, they insist the president cow tow to t heir demands,,,Im sure none of which have suggestions about cutting ANYTHING not having to do with healthcare reform,,,

and his reluctance to agree to their attempts at sabotaging the reform makes HIM Responsible for their holding the budget hostage,,,

got it,,,


because, you know,, the repulscions have a newfound dedication to being proactive on the debt ceiling that they were more than willing to budge on under BUsh,,,

That was before Obozo tripled the deficit thru unfunded liabilities

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmqdiDrDIrU#t=29

or not

deficit bushs last fiscal year,,,1539.22 Billion Deficit

deficits in the years since

2010 $1386.92 Billion Deficit D D D

2011 $1350.31 Billion Deficit D D R

2012 $1120.16 Billion Deficit D D R

2013 $759 Billion Deficit D D R

http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php

True but you will not find the level of cognitive dissonance in a democrat or progressive many find the corporate serving democrats to be as vile as the republicans.

Take the shutdown as an example. The republicans took a stand on something Obama was re elected on, the supreme court upheld etc etc.

The republicans have no health care plan they are totally content to see prices rise ten percent a year ............forever. I welcome any government control on this health insurance fraud. Its a foot in the door to reigning in the bastards who would take food from kids mouths to line their own already over stuffed pockets .

or not

deficit bushs last fiscal year,,,1539.22 Billion Deficit

deficits in the years since

2010 $1386.92 Billion Deficit D D D

2011 $1350.31 Billion Deficit D D R

2012 $1120.16 Billion Deficit D D R

2013 $759 Billion Deficit D D R

http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php

BILL MOYERS: And now to the people who refuse to let democracy work. The people who hate government so much they’ve shut it down. Unable to abide by the results of democracy when they don’t win, they turned on it.

Republicans have now lost three successive elections to control the Senate and they’ve lost the last two presidential elections. Nonetheless, they fought tooth and nail to kill President Obama’s health care initiative. They lost that fight, but with the corporate wing of Democrats, they managed to bend it toward private interests.

So we should be clear on this, Obamacare, as it’s known, is deeply flawed. Big subsidies to the health insurance industry. A bonanza for lobbyists. No public option. And as The New York Times reported this week, “Millions of Poor Are Left Uncovered by Health Law.” Largely because states controlled by Republicans refuse to expand Medicaid.

As far as our bought and paid for legislative process goes, Obama’s initiative made it through the sausage factory. Yet even after both the House and Senate approved it, the president signed it, and the Supreme Court upheld it, the Republicans keep insisting on calling the law a “bill,” thumbing their noses and refusing to accept that it is enacted legislation.

Now they’re fighting to prevent it from being implemented. Here was their order of the day on Thursday from the popular right wing blog RedState.com:

“Congressmen, this is about shutting down Obamacare. Democrats keep talking about our refusal to compromise. They don’t realize our compromise is defunding Obamacare. We actually want to repeal it. This is it. Our endgame is to leave the whole thing shut down until the President defunds Obamacare. And if he does not defund Obamacare, we leave the whole thing shut down.”

Once upon a time when I was a young man working on Capitol Hill, it was commonplace that when a bill became law, everybody was unhappy with it. But you didn’t bring down the government just because it wasn’t perfect. You argue and fight and vote and then, due process having been at least raggedly served, on to the next fight.

That was a long time ago. Long before the Tea Party minority, armed with huge sums of secret money from rich donors, sucked the last bit of soul from the Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln. They became delusional. Then rabid. Like this:

SENATOR STEVE KING: If Obamacare is ever implemented and enforced, we will never recover from it. It is an unconstitutional takings of God-given American liberty.

BILL MOYERS: That’s false, of course. Just like those right-wing talking points that keep grinding through the propaganda mills of Fox News:

AINSLEY EARHARDT on Fox and Friends: Thanks to Obamacare, doctors will be forced to ask patients about their sex life, even if it has nothing to do with the medical treatment that they are seeking at the time.

BILL MOYERS: Not true.

MICHELLE MALKIN on Fox and Friends: That healthcare plan puts a discount on the lives of elderly people and would result in the redistribution of health away from the elderly and the infirm to other special favored interests and patients.

BILL MOYERS: Again, not true. Nor is this, from the multi-millionaire fabulist Rush Limbaugh:

RUSH LIMBAUGH from the Rush Limbaugh Show: What we now have is the biggest tax increase in the history of the world. Obamacare is just a massive tax increase, that all it is.

BILL MOYERS: That’s just a tiny sample of the lies and misinformation perpetrated by the right with the song and dance compliance of its richly paid mouthpieces. Sarah Palin set the bar for truth at about ankle height with those fictitious “death panels” that she still insists will decide our rendezvous with the Grim Reaper.

SARAH PALIN on Cashin' In: Of course there are death panels in there, but the important thing to remember is that’s just one aspect of this atrocious, unaffordable, cumbersome, burdensome, evil policy of Obama’s and that is Obamacare.

BILL MOYERS: Despite what they say, Obamacare is only one of their targets. Before they will allow the government to reopen, they demand employers be enabled to deny birth control coverage to female employees. They demand Obama cave on the Keystone pipeline. They demand the watchdogs over corporate pollution be muzzled, and the big, bad regulators of Wall Street sent home. Their ransom list goes on and on. The debt ceiling is next. They would have the government default on its obligations and responsibilities.

When the president refused to buckle to their extortion, they threw their tantrum. Like the die-hards of the racist South a century and a half ago, who would destroy the Union before giving up their slaves, so would these people burn the place down, sink the ship of state, and sow economic chaos to get their way. This says it all, they even shuttered the Statue of Liberty.

Watching all this from London, the noted commentator Martin Wolf, of the capitalist friendly Financial Times, says “America flirts with self-destruction.”

This man is the biggest flirt of all, Newt Gingrich. It was Newt Gingrich who twenty years ago spearheaded the right-wing’s virulent crusade against the norms of democratic government. As Speaker of the House he twice brought about shutdowns of the federal government once, believe it or not, because he felt snubbed after riding on Air Force One with President Clinton and had to leave by the backdoor.

It was also Newt Gingrich, speaker Gingrich, who was caught lying to congressional investigators looking into charges of his ethical wrongdoing. His colleagues voted overwhelmingly, 395 to 28, to reprimand him. Pressure from his own party then prompted him to resign.

Yet even after his flame out, even after his recent bizarre race for the presidency bankrolled with money from admiring oligarchs, even after new allegations about his secret fundraising for right-wing candidates, Gingrich remains the darling of a fawning amnesic media.

NEWT GINGRICH on Crossfire: I’m Newt Gingrich on the right.

BILL MOYERS: On CNN.com the other day he issued a call to arms to his fellow bomb-throwers, “…don’t cave on shutdown.”

At least let’s name this for what it is, sabotage of the democratic process. Secession by another means. And let’s be clear about where such reckless ambition leads. As surely as night must follow day, the alternative to democracy is worse.
© 2013 Public Affairs Television, Inc
Bill Moyers

Journalist Bill Moyers is the host of the new show Moyers & Company, a weekly series of smart talk and new ideas aimed at helping viewers make sense of our tumultuous times through the insight of America’s strongest thinkers.. His previous shows on PBS included NOW with Bill Moyers and Bill Moyers Journal. Over the past three decades he has become an icon of American journalism and is the author of many books, including Bill Moyers Journal: The Conversation Continues, Moyers on Democracy, and Bill Moyers: On Faith & Reason. He was one of the organizers of the Peace Corps, a special assistant for Lyndon B. Johnson, a publisher of Newsday, senior correspondent for CBS News and a producer of many groundbreaking series on public television. He is the winner of more than 30 Emmys, nine Peabodys, three George Polk awards and is the author of three best-selling books.
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