Kelly..the problem with "allowing states to determine marriage standards" is that each state would have different standards...a couple "married" in New hampshire would not be considered married in Florida if they moved there.Hence it would create a never ending legal battle in the courts. Its better that it becomes a federal law rather then state by state.

Serchin,

Well congratulations, you agree with Bill Clinton and John Kerry. :)

As to your premise about the advisibility of states' right to regulate marriage trumping the federal government's fiat, even as we speak the age of consent (with / without parental consent below certain ages in some states) varies quite a bit. There's even more variation for the legality of Common Law marriages. Yet, that's never been an issue-- it's always been pretty much "If the state you were from says it's legal, it's okay with us".

The country hasn't self-destructed yet because of that, has it?

Besides, would you _really_ want to see the Federal Government issue marriage licenses?

No, I suspect the real issue is closer to the rhyme one of the Supremes used during hearing the Lawrence vs. Texas case about the two gay men having their door kicked down and arrested under the then sodomy statutes in Texas:

"I do not like thee, Dr. Fell--
The reason why I cannot tell.
But this I know and know full well,
I do not like thee, Dr. Fell."

-Kerry O.

From Fitness' article: "Foot signal for lewd conduct?
Roll Call, citing the report, said Sgt. Dave Karsnia made the arrest after an encounter in which he was seated in a stall next to a stall occupied by Craig. Karsnia described Craig tapping his foot, which Karsnia said he “recognized as a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct.”


Ok, not to get off the subject of all the good posts in this thread, but WTF?? Did Craig just start tap dancing in his stall or something? Did the authorities ever stop to consider that he might have urinary touretts syndrome, a condition that causes him to tap his foot whenever he pees?

I guess that's better than having it in his hands!

Kerry...you sure that was the Supremes....sounds more like Dr. Seuss

Baygal...I agree...could be listening to IPOD...but I guess from what I heard he was looking through stall, putting hand under too...who knows....doesn't really matter though, with all the other violent crime out there its crazy to make such a big issue about this

Serchin writes:

" Kerry...you sure that was the Supremes....sounds more like Dr. Seuss"

Yes, Scalia's dissenting opinion did have elements of Chicken Little in it, but no, Justice Breyer actually said that and it flummoxed the lawyer representing the State of Texas. Even Clarence Thomas dissented for a different reason than Scalia, citing state's rights instead of Borking Up the issue.

-Kerry O.

Hey, BayAreaGal ,

You mentioned the foot-tapping earlier. According to reports, the signal is when you tap your foot ON the foot of the person in the next stall. Hard to do that by accident. You have to really TRY to tap the foot os someone in the next stall.

As an Idaho girl...I gotta say. Senator Craig has done some very positive thing for our State. But this has not been the first report of him possibly trying to get some "male tail" on the side. I think if he were representing any other state it would not have been made into such a large issue. Idaho is a very conservative state that elects very conservative people to represent it. This year Idaho just voted to outlaw same sex marraige in our state FOREVER!!

I do not agree w/ it but it is just how it went down....doesn't look good to have your Senator not following the "practice what you preach" standards....and blatently get caught!

maybe he voted to outlaw gay marriage forever because it would leave more single tail for him. lol he may be gay but he ain't no homewrecker.

I don't have anything against Craig and if he is gay....I don't care! What turns my knob may not turn somebody elses or vise versa....and that's ok by me! As far as not being a homewrecker, his wife may beg to differ.

i didn't know he was married. there goes my theory, guess i just go back to being confused.lol

who cares as long as he does his job.there is a war on and this is news?please.

I agree cute...my point being that it wouldn't have been made into such a huge issue if he were representing a more liberal state than Idaho.

i think it would have no matter what. celebrities and politicians are always held under a microscope. i don't think the issue here is that he may like men but that he votes one way and lives another. being in the closet doesn't compare to being a hypocrit.

Search & Knox.

Yea, I didn't bother googling the toe-tapping thing for more info. I reread the thread and saw that umm...knox seemed to know all about it...




Man, this is definitely going into "The Things You Learn on JSH" thread!

Hey, BayAreaGal,

Apparantly, you didn't read ALL of my post. I said "According to reports". The act was descibed in detail on CNN and FOX.

Don't worry! I'll ALWAYS the ladies! If only more of them loved me

"According to reports"?

You're starting to sound like a gov't press release.

Well, Bush DID ask me about taling over when Tony Snow leaves.

But, like Snow, I said the job didn't pay enough !

Was Snow joking? I seriously cannot believe he said he took a paycut to join Bush and that he's leaving because he can't support his family on 168K/year.

WhatEVER!!