I'm the type of guy that is polite and friendly. And
maybe people see that as being pretentious or phony?
I am really not that way at all. I'm not a wimp or
a doormat, as if someone snaps at me, I'll retort
back. I'll bend to a point, but will not break.

Nice guys, if indeed they are nice, really should
never finish last. I've seen a good number of women
regret in time they didn't end up with a nice guy.
Some of them in my own family.

Absolutely agree with your post, NS!

just what is a nice "guy"? Caring , strong, demanding or caring, thoughtful, sincere? Hmmm things to ponder.... of course every guy thinks of themselves as a nice guy and every woman does think of themselves as a nice girl, lady,etc.. But....what is nice anyway

All I can really say is to me a nice guy is someone who respect's me, and treats me well. He doesn't necessarily have to look like a prince. I think he would act like a friend would, but with more courtesy and chivalry. Chivalry isn't dead. It's who you chose to be with that doesn't believe in Chivalry. It doesn't mean all men will treat you as trash. You only need a bit of respect. It can go a long way.

Being nice can also be interpreted by the other person based on how she/he feels ....if your honest thoughtful and respectful in your actions in your heart you should feel atleast you did what was right

chivalry isn't dead just society has changed its values.instead of putting others first its more of looking out for me.I was raised to hold the door for others, open the car door for who I was with ,etc those type of values that you don't see anymore

We accept the love we think we deserve. If you're unhappy with the way someone is treating you, ask yourself WHY am I LETTING them treat me this way?

I think we have to face facts, that not all women
are that nice either. Some people seem to end up
with an opposite of their personality (opposites
attract) in some instances.

I think it best not to have double standards,
in relation to the sexes. Yeah, I've met a lot
of obnoxious rude guys. I've also met a good
number of unfriendly, unpersonable ladies too.

Some couples seem to deserve each other.
Some I couldn't believe that guy or girl
was still dating/ or married to that
significant other.

most guys I know are nice, so are most women. but that's no guarantee for attraction

Need i say more....
{snicker}


Yes "Mr Sensitive got dumped"

{Bedazzled}

You're quite right, and I've always wondered why
that is.

I knew a couple of girls that weren't nice
that I ended up having a thing for, when
I was younger.

Maybe friendly people are just "suckers for punishment"?

Why is he cryin'? Did he just get rejected or
something?

Chivalry died out in the days of Knights so unless you were a Knight; you never practiced chivalry but good manners. Manners are what is lacking in our society. I always look out for me as #1 but that doesn't mean I can't show good manners. I even open the doors for guys; help them if they are hauling something heavy, help them with their cars, etc. I still believe in good manners but that is just me.

Ok, now my mind is boggling up a bit.

Why on Earth would a woman want a guy who's
rude, arrogant, obnoxious, has no sense of
humor, and treats their kids like dirt?

I'll reverse roles for a second. If I'm
a single Dad(which I'm not) and I'm
attracted to a female version of the
person described above, she won't
be around for too long.

Even as a single guy, I'm not going
to let someone come into my life, and
treat me like crap. Not even for a
little nook.

Most of my ex's were quite nice, but had hidden things from me. I never go for bad guys. I get angry when people always put all women into the same box. lol. We don't ALL like bad men. Some us prefer nicely-behaved and civil. I can't speak for the one's who DO like bad men, but from what I read on the forum, if they're not good in bed then they're not worthy of a relationship. I think that's awful. How about you? Isn't it high-schoolish at best? He could treat you so good, yet you could be giving away the best guy you ever had, all because "he was no good in bed". If a man comes along, and it feels right. So right, and you know it, then you may be taking a big risk, by sending him running to another woman. Maybe the other woman is less judgemental about his performance in bed, so how can I blame him, if he felt pressured by that? I would want to run off too, if a guy treat me like that. Wow. If it's all about sex, then it's hardly a loving relationship. If you're only in it for sex, just say so, instead of being crass by dumping them because you expected a great performance. Maybe you're just after an intimate encounter, but you just can't admit it, because let's be very frank here, saying you want a relationship sounds much more decent. So of course, the mask gets put on again.

Because alot of ppl go for looks rather than niceness

It's a funny thing. I had a difficult relationship with a demanding woman that was always complaining that I need to learn how to treat a woman. I thought about it for a long time and came to the conclusion that she had been right about some of the things that she said that I wasn't doing right. So then I became Mr "Not just wanting sex nice guy" and every woman that I've met since then apparently only wanted sex from me. Now I'm dumping them because of that.

The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter how nice you are to some women and the harder that you try with them, the more they take advantage of you.

The "nice guy" is the male equivalent of the "easy woman".

Typical of today's immoral society to have some think
that a man or woman isn't worth their time, just because
they're not experienced in the sexual dept. These people
are obviously making a big mistake. I real feel bad
for their kids. It's the kids who always suffer the most.

Do I believe sex is important? Sure I do. However
I think anyone who doesn't know what they're doing
can easily be taught what to do, by their mate.

TV and the internet, even magazines brainwash
people into "go for this" , or "look this way".
It's ridiculous. Oh yeah, and they know how
to subliminally get people to fall out of grace.

People started falling out with the church
in the 60's, with the free love, hippie movement.
Now we see the result. Now today, it's
an "all about me" individualistic society.

Granted,luckily there are still a good number
of good spirited people out there. And I'm not
saying someone has to go to church or be religious
to be a good person.

Genuine nice guys do not whine that they're finishing last and that they never get what they want. They don't even use the nice guy label. The whiny "nice guys" aren't really all that nice.

Everyone has different preferences. Some may be fine with teaching those that are inexperienced, while others may have no interest in doing so. Does that make one or the other wrong? Of course not.