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The only ones who still believe racism is alive and well in America are racists and bigots More of a minority than any other group or class of people They of course are not, nor will they ever be, part of any solution Wouldn't your statement be saying that racism is still alive? I'm just saying you seem to be sending a mixed msg. It's sounds like you think there is no racism. But then you say that the people who think there is are racists and bigots. So that would means there is racism. Get what I'm saying? I do agree that racist people will not be a part of the solution. They are to stuck in their train of thought to actually help anyone else. There has always been and will forever be a class division, lower, middle, and upper. Within society there is indoctrination, most definitely in family units. There is fear of the unknown, but education and an open mind can overcome such obstacles. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon, nor is everyone born to poverty. Racism is ignorance! It is a tool used by a few to control or seduce a section of the population who wishes to have someone to blame for their own shortcomings or failures. Racism is dead, but ignorance thrives! If racism was a problem in America we would not have so many people of the black race, or any other minority, in positions of power throughout our government or corporate structures! racism is not a problem in America, for anyone except those who are subject to it lol much like slavery wasn't a problem either,, except to the slaves,,,, slaves had to fight for their freedom in spite of those who were already free much like those subjected to racism will have to fight for equality and against discrimination in spite of those who are able to succeed ANYWAY the argument that we have 'so many people' in positions of power is weak,, considering how many we ACTUALLY have in either house or how long its taken for us to get one in the WHITE HOUSE,,, As I stated, finger pointing is not part of the solution, nor is living in the past. By percentage, there is an abundance of black and minority representation in those positions. White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9% Black or African American alone, percent definition and source info Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1% American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2012 (a) 1.2% Asian alone, percent definition and source info Asian alone, percent, 2012 (a) 5.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2012 (a) 0.2% Two or More Races, percent definition and source info Two or More Races, percent, 2012 2.4% Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 16.9% White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 63.0% You don't see Asians, Hawaians or American Indians screaming racism.... they are the true minorities! Why is that? because they didn't spend a couple centuries as mere property maybe? because they don't have the history in the us that blacks do maybe? the 'model minorities' are also a nice ploy people use to try to excuse and ignore racism,, but its not gonna work,, as the conditions and the history is QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT,,,, I hate to burst your bubble, but it isn't whitey that's holding you down, it's people who need a crutch like racism to stand with! Germany isn't killing Jews anymore either, but Jews don't blame Germans for holding them down! It's ignorance, pure and simple, by those who need excuses rather than doing the work! |
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The only ones who still believe racism is alive and well in America are racists and bigots More of a minority than any other group or class of people They of course are not, nor will they ever be, part of any solution Wouldn't your statement be saying that racism is still alive? I'm just saying you seem to be sending a mixed msg. It's sounds like you think there is no racism. But then you say that the people who think there is are racists and bigots. So that would means there is racism. Get what I'm saying? I do agree that racist people will not be a part of the solution. They are to stuck in their train of thought to actually help anyone else. There has always been and will forever be a class division, lower, middle, and upper. Within society there is indoctrination, most definitely in family units. There is fear of the unknown, but education and an open mind can overcome such obstacles. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon, nor is everyone born to poverty. Racism is ignorance! It is a tool used by a few to control or seduce a section of the population who wishes to have someone to blame for their own shortcomings or failures. Racism is dead, but ignorance thrives! If racism was a problem in America we would not have so many people of the black race, or any other minority, in positions of power throughout our government or corporate structures! racism is not a problem in America, for anyone except those who are subject to it lol much like slavery wasn't a problem either,, except to the slaves,,,, slaves had to fight for their freedom in spite of those who were already free much like those subjected to racism will have to fight for equality and against discrimination in spite of those who are able to succeed ANYWAY the argument that we have 'so many people' in positions of power is weak,, considering how many we ACTUALLY have in either house or how long its taken for us to get one in the WHITE HOUSE,,, As I stated, finger pointing is not part of the solution, nor is living in the past. By percentage, there is an abundance of black and minority representation in those positions. White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9% Black or African American alone, percent definition and source info Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1% American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2012 (a) 1.2% Asian alone, percent definition and source info Asian alone, percent, 2012 (a) 5.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2012 (a) 0.2% Two or More Races, percent definition and source info Two or More Races, percent, 2012 2.4% Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 16.9% White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 63.0% You don't see Asians, Hawaians or American Indians screaming racism.... they are the true minorities! Why is that? because they didn't spend a couple centuries as mere property maybe? because they don't have the history in the us that blacks do maybe? the 'model minorities' are also a nice ploy people use to try to excuse and ignore racism,, but its not gonna work,, as the conditions and the history is QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT,,,, I hate to burst your bubble, but it isn't whitey that's holding you down, it's people who need a crutch like racism to stand with! Germany isn't killing Jews anymore either, but Jews don't blame Germans for holding them down! It's ignorance, pure and simple, by those who need excuses rather than doing the work! more assumptions,, why is it that addressing and talking about racism or discrimination equates to an 'excuse' or a 'crutch' its ignorance and fear that refuses to even ADDRESS the realities , but chooses instead to vilainize those who are subjected to it and try to address it,,, yes, racism is real,, and some people might use it as a crutch,, but that doesn't mean it isn't also a REAL problem that can have REAL solutions,,,, it doesn't mean that the mere acknowledgement of it keeps people from achieving IN SPITE OF that's a bully tactic to keep people silent,, but it doesn't work with those who have a brain,,,,, |
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The only ones who still believe racism is alive and well in America are racists and bigots More of a minority than any other group or class of people They of course are not, nor will they ever be, part of any solution Wouldn't your statement be saying that racism is still alive? I'm just saying you seem to be sending a mixed msg. It's sounds like you think there is no racism. But then you say that the people who think there is are racists and bigots. So that would means there is racism. Get what I'm saying? I do agree that racist people will not be a part of the solution. They are to stuck in their train of thought to actually help anyone else. There has always been and will forever be a class division, lower, middle, and upper. Within society there is indoctrination, most definitely in family units. There is fear of the unknown, but education and an open mind can overcome such obstacles. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon, nor is everyone born to poverty. Racism is ignorance! It is a tool used by a few to control or seduce a section of the population who wishes to have someone to blame for their own shortcomings or failures. Racism is dead, but ignorance thrives! If racism was a problem in America we would not have so many people of the black race, or any other minority, in positions of power throughout our government or corporate structures! racism is not a problem in America, for anyone except those who are subject to it lol much like slavery wasn't a problem either,, except to the slaves,,,, slaves had to fight for their freedom in spite of those who were already free much like those subjected to racism will have to fight for equality and against discrimination in spite of those who are able to succeed ANYWAY the argument that we have 'so many people' in positions of power is weak,, considering how many we ACTUALLY have in either house or how long its taken for us to get one in the WHITE HOUSE,,, As I stated, finger pointing is not part of the solution, nor is living in the past. By percentage, there is an abundance of black and minority representation in those positions. White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9% Black or African American alone, percent definition and source info Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1% American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2012 (a) 1.2% Asian alone, percent definition and source info Asian alone, percent, 2012 (a) 5.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2012 (a) 0.2% Two or More Races, percent definition and source info Two or More Races, percent, 2012 2.4% Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 16.9% White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 63.0% You don't see Asians, Hawaians or American Indians screaming racism.... they are the true minorities! Why is that? because they didn't spend a couple centuries as mere property maybe? because they don't have the history in the us that blacks do maybe? the 'model minorities' are also a nice ploy people use to try to excuse and ignore racism,, but its not gonna work,, as the conditions and the history is QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT,,,, I hate to burst your bubble, but it isn't whitey that's holding you down, it's people who need a crutch like racism to stand with! Germany isn't killing Jews anymore either, but Jews don't blame Germans for holding them down! It's ignorance, pure and simple, by those who need excuses rather than doing the work! more assumptions,, why is it that addressing and talking about racism or discrimination equates to an 'excuse' or a 'crutch' its ignorance and fear that refuses to even ADDRESS the realities , but chooses instead to vilainize those who are subjected to it and try to address it,,, yes, racism is real,, and some people might use it as a crutch,, but that doesn't mean it isn't also a REAL problem that can have REAL solutions,,,, it doesn't mean that the mere acknowledgement of it keeps people from achieving IN SPITE OF that's a bully tactic to keep people silent,, but it doesn't work with those who have a brain,,,,, So get your hero to write an executive order demanding people to think a certain way. Racism isn't the problem, it's the belief or fear of something that makes it a problem, for some, and those who see it as a problem are the ones who promote the belief, making it a problem.....we call them racists.... but the truth is, like a bad habit, you will only quit the habit if you start with you and work outward! A tiger can't change its stripes, but it can change its habits. |
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The only ones who still believe racism is alive and well in America are racists and bigots More of a minority than any other group or class of people They of course are not, nor will they ever be, part of any solution Wouldn't your statement be saying that racism is still alive? I'm just saying you seem to be sending a mixed msg. It's sounds like you think there is no racism. But then you say that the people who think there is are racists and bigots. So that would means there is racism. Get what I'm saying? I do agree that racist people will not be a part of the solution. They are to stuck in their train of thought to actually help anyone else. There has always been and will forever be a class division, lower, middle, and upper. Within society there is indoctrination, most definitely in family units. There is fear of the unknown, but education and an open mind can overcome such obstacles. Not everyone is born with a silver spoon, nor is everyone born to poverty. Racism is ignorance! It is a tool used by a few to control or seduce a section of the population who wishes to have someone to blame for their own shortcomings or failures. Racism is dead, but ignorance thrives! If racism was a problem in America we would not have so many people of the black race, or any other minority, in positions of power throughout our government or corporate structures! racism is not a problem in America, for anyone except those who are subject to it lol much like slavery wasn't a problem either,, except to the slaves,,,, slaves had to fight for their freedom in spite of those who were already free much like those subjected to racism will have to fight for equality and against discrimination in spite of those who are able to succeed ANYWAY the argument that we have 'so many people' in positions of power is weak,, considering how many we ACTUALLY have in either house or how long its taken for us to get one in the WHITE HOUSE,,, As I stated, finger pointing is not part of the solution, nor is living in the past. By percentage, there is an abundance of black and minority representation in those positions. White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9% Black or African American alone, percent definition and source info Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1% American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2012 (a) 1.2% Asian alone, percent definition and source info Asian alone, percent, 2012 (a) 5.1% Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2012 (a) 0.2% Two or More Races, percent definition and source info Two or More Races, percent, 2012 2.4% Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 16.9% White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 63.0% You don't see Asians, Hawaians or American Indians screaming racism.... they are the true minorities! Why is that? because they didn't spend a couple centuries as mere property maybe? because they don't have the history in the us that blacks do maybe? the 'model minorities' are also a nice ploy people use to try to excuse and ignore racism,, but its not gonna work,, as the conditions and the history is QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT,,,, I hate to burst your bubble, but it isn't whitey that's holding you down, it's people who need a crutch like racism to stand with! Germany isn't killing Jews anymore either, but Jews don't blame Germans for holding them down! It's ignorance, pure and simple, by those who need excuses rather than doing the work! Your thing here made me think of this documentary I think was. Maybe it was a TV show. But this one guy who was related to Elizabeth Bathery actually went to the town where she was from and apologized for all the bad things she did. For anyone who doesn't know who that is. Bathery was a messed up chick who supposedly bathed in the blood of virgins because she though it made her look younger. I actually think that was an episode of Wicked Women. But that makes no sense to me. Apologizing for something some screwed up wench you happen to be related to did many many years ago. It's like why is that idiot feeling like he has to take responsibility for that f'd up wench? My oldest bro found that by some string of heritage that we are related to the King from the story of Braveheart. Should that mean I should travel to Ireland and apologize for the people he murdered even though I had nothing to do with it? I thank that is a pretty screwy way of thinking personally. But that's what you made me think of. hahaha |
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many people falsely assume the issue of addressing racism is about apologizing for the INDIVIDUAL racism of other INDIVIDUALS,
that is a silly notion, I agree it escapes them that the issue is deeper than individuals and more about the INSTITUTION, within government, education, the economy,,etc,,, |
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Over compensation is a great business tool, but as a character trait it is a flaw. I am not responsible for any actions or debts other than my own, a simple logic, so why then must we pay, or assume responsibility for the sins or actions of others? That's what racism is..... a blame game |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Over compensation is a great business tool, but as a character trait it is a flaw. I am not responsible for any actions or debts other than my own, a simple logic, so why then must we pay, or assume responsibility for the sins or actions of others? That's what racism is..... a blame game no, we shouldn't be responsible for actions other than our own,, I agree but racism is one way that we are LUMPED with others in a way to hold us responsible, to judge us, to decide how to treat us, to rationalize fear, stalking, killing, enslaving, or discriminating against us THATS what institutional racism is,, a power game,,,, |
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where?
American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source |
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You both are making great points. Now put up your gloves and come out fighting. Also no kidney punches or hitting below the belt.
ding ding. lol |
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Over compensation is a great business tool, but as a character trait it is a flaw. I am not responsible for any actions or debts other than my own, a simple logic, so why then must we pay, or assume responsibility for the sins or actions of others? That's what racism is..... a blame game no, we shouldn't be responsible for actions other than our own,, I agree but racism is one way that we are LUMPED with others in a way to hold us responsible, to judge us, to decide how to treat us, to rationalize fear, stalking, killing, enslaving, or discriminating against us THATS what institutional racism is,, a power game,,,, So you agree that the likes of Sharpton and Jackson who feed off the pain of others for personal gain (leeches, ambulance chasers) are indeed part of the problem, and any who follow these false prophets are indeed part of the problem and not the solution? |
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You both are making great points. Now put up your gloves and come out fighting. Also no kidney punches or hitting below the belt. ding ding. lol lol I don't fight dirty,, I do my best to use logic and facts ,,,, |
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where? American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source a lot of cross referencing here, Id be glad to talk about institutional racism OR stand your ground,, they are separate things as to Lotts numbers , in reference to Florida only, he is mislead,,,, the numbers show that in INTRARACIAL cases ,the defense works about 90 pervcent of the time when the victim is black, compared to 60 percent when they are white,,, ,,but lets not do that numbers game here, there are so many ways to pick and choose to create the right spin,,,, as a mother, I would want some clarification in the laws that address the initial aggressor in the altercation, so as not to give them a legal gun (so to speak) to follow through on a threat by actually killing someone who fought back successfully,,, |
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Over compensation is a great business tool, but as a character trait it is a flaw. I am not responsible for any actions or debts other than my own, a simple logic, so why then must we pay, or assume responsibility for the sins or actions of others? That's what racism is..... a blame game no, we shouldn't be responsible for actions other than our own,, I agree but racism is one way that we are LUMPED with others in a way to hold us responsible, to judge us, to decide how to treat us, to rationalize fear, stalking, killing, enslaving, or discriminating against us THATS what institutional racism is,, a power game,,,, So you agree that the likes of Sharpton and Jackson who feed off the pain of others for personal gain (leeches, ambulance chasers) are indeed part of the problem, and any who follow these false prophets are indeed part of the problem and not the solution? no, actually I think it is a good thing that there are some people who have the access to a national podium to bring to light things that may otherwise be swept under the rug,,, kind of like the snowdens of the black community you could say,,,,, |
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where? American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source a lot of cross referencing here, Id be glad to talk about institutional racism OR stand your ground,, they are separate things as to Lotts numbers , in reference to Florida only, he is mislead,,,, the numbers show that in INTRARACIAL cases ,the defense works about 90 pervcent of the time when the victim is black, compared to 60 percent when they are white,,, ,,but lets not do that numbers game here, there are so many ways to pick and choose to create the right spin,,,, as a mother, I would want some clarification in the laws that address the initial aggressor in the altercation, so as not to give them a legal gun (so to speak) to follow through on a threat by actually killing someone who fought back successfully,,, The problem here is that most of the guns used in these cases are NOT legal and registered weapons, so while they are not charged with homicide they still face gun charges in these cases. |
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where? American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source a lot of cross referencing here, Id be glad to talk about institutional racism OR stand your ground,, they are separate things as to Lotts numbers , in reference to Florida only, he is mislead,,,, the numbers show that in INTRARACIAL cases ,the defense works about 90 pervcent of the time when the victim is black, compared to 60 percent when they are white,,, ,,but lets not do that numbers game here, there are so many ways to pick and choose to create the right spin,,,, as a mother, I would want some clarification in the laws that address the initial aggressor in the altercation, so as not to give them a legal gun (so to speak) to follow through on a threat by actually killing someone who fought back successfully,,, The problem here is that most of the guns used in these cases are NOT legal and registered weapons, so while they are not charged with homicide they still face gun charges in these cases. what does having a registered gun have to do with being charged with homicide? |
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where? American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source a lot of cross referencing here, Id be glad to talk about institutional racism OR stand your ground,, they are separate things as to Lotts numbers , in reference to Florida only, he is mislead,,,, the numbers show that in INTRARACIAL cases ,the defense works about 90 pervcent of the time when the victim is black, compared to 60 percent when they are white,,, ,,but lets not do that numbers game here, there are so many ways to pick and choose to create the right spin,,,, as a mother, I would want some clarification in the laws that address the initial aggressor in the altercation, so as not to give them a legal gun (so to speak) to follow through on a threat by actually killing someone who fought back successfully,,, The problem here is that most of the guns used in these cases are NOT legal and registered weapons, so while they are not charged with homicide they still face gun charges in these cases. what does having a registered gun have to do with being charged with homicide? The number of charges the person gets hit with? lol |
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where? American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source a lot of cross referencing here, Id be glad to talk about institutional racism OR stand your ground,, they are separate things as to Lotts numbers , in reference to Florida only, he is mislead,,,, the numbers show that in INTRARACIAL cases ,the defense works about 90 pervcent of the time when the victim is black, compared to 60 percent when they are white,,, ,,but lets not do that numbers game here, there are so many ways to pick and choose to create the right spin,,,, as a mother, I would want some clarification in the laws that address the initial aggressor in the altercation, so as not to give them a legal gun (so to speak) to follow through on a threat by actually killing someone who fought back successfully,,, The problem here is that most of the guns used in these cases are NOT legal and registered weapons, so while they are not charged with homicide they still face gun charges in these cases. what does having a registered gun have to do with being charged with homicide? The number of charges the person gets hit with? lol oh, I thought it was being implied that unless someone is using a registered gun they cant be charged with homicide,,,lol thanx for clearing that up |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Wed 07/31/13 01:09 PM
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where? American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source a lot of cross referencing here, Id be glad to talk about institutional racism OR stand your ground,, they are separate things as to Lotts numbers , in reference to Florida only, he is mislead,,,, the numbers show that in INTRARACIAL cases ,the defense works about 90 pervcent of the time when the victim is black, compared to 60 percent when they are white,,, ,,but lets not do that numbers game here, there are so many ways to pick and choose to create the right spin,,,, as a mother, I would want some clarification in the laws that address the initial aggressor in the altercation, so as not to give them a legal gun (so to speak) to follow through on a threat by actually killing someone who fought back successfully,,, The problem here is that most of the guns used in these cases are NOT legal and registered weapons, so while they are not charged with homicide they still face gun charges in these cases. what does having a registered gun have to do with being charged with homicide? You can still use the stand your ground defense against a homicide charge even if the weapon is illegal. However, in such cases the charges where a death has resulted will get you life, but not the death penalty. The statistics are skewed by these differing issues because even tho they are innocent of one crime, they are guilty of many others. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 07/31/13 01:14 PM
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There is institutional racism? I wonder where? American economist John R. Lott, Jr. writes the following about gun ownership and use by black Americans: Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws. It makes it easier for them to protect themselves when the police can't be there fast enough. Rules that make self-defense more difficult would impact blacks the most. Blacks may make up just 16.6 percent of Florida's population, but they account for over 31 percent of the state's defendants invoking a Stand Your Ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute to justify their actions are acquitted 8 percent more frequently than whites who use that same defense. So, Stand Your Ground laws aid black Americans. Now, who is trying to get rid of Stand Your Ground laws? Lott continues: Democrats make much of how they care about poor people. Yet, the taxes and fees they impose on gun ownership by law-abiding citizens say otherwise. In Democratically-controlled Washington, D.C., it costs $534 to register and license a handgun. With New York's new background checks to buy ammunition, a fee averaging $85 is tacked on to each purchase of bullets. This spring when Republicans in Colorado offered an amendment to exempt those below the poverty level from having to pay the new fee to obtain a gun, it was Democrats who voted in lockstep to defeat it. Democrats want poor minorities votes, but they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Quote Source a lot of cross referencing here, Id be glad to talk about institutional racism OR stand your ground,, they are separate things as to Lotts numbers , in reference to Florida only, he is mislead,,,, the numbers show that in INTRARACIAL cases ,the defense works about 90 pervcent of the time when the victim is black, compared to 60 percent when they are white,,, ,,but lets not do that numbers game here, there are so many ways to pick and choose to create the right spin,,,, as a mother, I would want some clarification in the laws that address the initial aggressor in the altercation, so as not to give them a legal gun (so to speak) to follow through on a threat by actually killing someone who fought back successfully,,, The problem here is that most of the guns used in these cases are NOT legal and registered weapons, so while they are not charged with homicide they still face gun charges in these cases. what does having a registered gun have to do with being charged with homicide? You can still use the stand your ground defense against a homicide charge even if the weapon is illegal. However, in such cases the charges where a death has resulted will get you life, but not the death penalty. The statistics are skewed by these differing issues because even tho they are innocent of one crime, they are guilty of many others. whats to skew? my statistics are about cases with a STAND YOUR GROUND defense that defense would have nothing to do with gun charges,,,, even if they could be INCLUDED charges those who are acquitted obviously aren't guilty of even the lesser charges and those numbers are 60 percent when the victim is white compared to 90 percent when the victim is black ,,,there is no skewing going on there,,,, |
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Black Americans benefit when they exercise their Second Amendment right to possess firearms.
Black Americans benefit from Stand Your Ground laws, which enable them to defend themselves. So, which political institution wants to do away with Stand Your Ground and make it more difficult for black Americans to possess firearms? |
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