I may be a bit off here in interpreting your response, but my first impression is that this is the sort of thing that gives me the right royal red azz! This is a gentleman who comes with a very serious life issue and has the courage to ask for help and advice and you say the discussion is not about "caring for people" Which is why your advice is to just repeat dogma to him? Because you don't care about him as an individual who is struggling? That is nuttier than a squirrel turd. He does not need that, he needs a caring understanding heart. Did you miss the news item that the major corporation trying to change gays straight through Xian therapy has closed its doors and apologized for all the harm it has caused. I do not mean to be seen as attacking people here, just to remind people that attitudes and words can and do hurt and issues are not always black and white.

Now I can't get this song out of my head:

The ink is black, the page is white
Together we learn to read and write
A child is straight, a child is gay
Together they grow to see the light
A beautiful sight...

seems you do not know the meaning of the Phrase,"Giving Stones Instead of Bread"!

Means a bit more than giving some Bread to a Hungry Person!
A bit of Sympathy instead of Condemnation fits the Bill as well!
Not all Bread is made of Flour!

of course not,, but that is not a mandate to just go along with anything people do,,,,

the way things are worded is definitely important

but the basic message about healthy choices, or healthy lifestyles, or 'right' choices is an important part of the kind of truth we NEED to share when we truly care about people, instead of just saying what they want to hear,,,

I have a relative who is an alcoholic,, and if he asked how he could throw a party with drinking ,, i wouldnt advise him on how to do it just to spare his feelings,, i would say that I didnt believe the concern should be about how to throw it, but that his condition is one that the issue is more about IF than hOW..

this, for christians, is a similar issue,, its not an issue about how to go about letting people know our sexual preferece,, its about IF we should be embracing and identifying ourself by it,,,,

more 'tender' advice

your sexual behavior/interests/preferences are a private matter
however if you have a desire/need to share those with others,,, be mindful and aware that they wont always and dont always have to embrace what you are sharing

although, as a christian, that should be a seperate issue from whether they embrace you


i have gay family members, and i love them dearly, when they 'came out' to me, I reinforced to them that i love and will be there for them,, but i also was honest about not being willing to condone/sign off on/ or embrace their lifestyle choice

they are still my family as much as any day before they 'came out' and all the reasons we love each other are all the reasons we will continue to always love each other,,,


good luck

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How many times have u had to do that ?

hiii dear

LOL, this always cracks me up, in the middle of a discussion some guy is gonna interject- Hi babe HMU! LOL.

Your faith is just as personal as your sexual identity. Don't let either one of them make you feel like the other is wrong. Don't let anyone else tell you what your god thinks of what you desire, I guarantee every Christian on the planet has something to atone for in the end. Unfortunately it has always been the way of the christian faith to do the judging for their god.

yep,, that dang bible,, with all its instructions of right and wrong

Christians probably shouldn't let it guide them in any way In their life or decisions,,,,,

We are all Gods children,just be yourself,love yourself, be happy.

Dude, it's completely up to you. I have no right to tell you what to do, because I don't own you, and even if I did, I'd want you to feel happy with your life. I'm not above the law, so who am I to tell you how to live? Whatever feels right to YOU. Life is what you make it. You're an adult, so nobody has a right to tell you who you should be. It's not really YOUR problem, it's society. Who exactly is gonna stop you? They can't. Tell any dictator to come back down to earth, before they end up in a mental institution ;)

God is a good and loving God, he will love you no matter what.
Only YOU can decide when to tell your family. Honestly, I bet
they already know. Do you have a sister or brother that you
are really close to that you trust? If so, maybe talk to them?
That is how one of my family members came out.
Just remember as Lady Gaga says..BABY WE WERE BORN THIS WAY!!!
Good luck

Unsure has some excellent points. There are Christian churches that are inclusive, rather than ex-clusive: there is a spectrum (i.e. Unitarian to United Church) where you may find support. No matter what your faith, coming out is a huge deal. There may be resources in your area for helping you with the transition, if that is what you decide to do. Your internal conflict is valid and you need to be kind to yourself.

GOD says. MAN shall not lay with man nor woman shall not lay with woman. Furthermore a Marriage means between man and woman.Point to point we arent born this way it is a choice, and its man gaga.His real name is David. Contact Paris Hilton .Lady GAGA or David use to sit behind Paris Hilton in school , and his real name is David. That was leaked out on you tube if its till on there. Besides man gaga wears a cat suit<- figure that out.

Letusmeetngreet:

If you accept Leviticus 18:22 as law, then there are other things that you need to consider in your daily life:

Do you expect women to make animal sacrifices as offerings to God when they have given birth (Levitacus 12:6)?
Do you go to your priest for examination when you have skin ailments (Leviticus 14)?
Do you choose what you wear based on what they are made out of, since the Lord commands : Do not wear clothes made of two kinds of materials (Levitacus 19:19)?

Never mind the whole idea of slavery. According to Leviticus 25:44 - 45, "If you need slaves, you may buy them from the nations around you. You may also buy the children of the foreigners who are living among you. Such children born in your land may become your property".

I would hope, that as the centuries pass, and man evolves, the notions of what are right and wrong are examined in context of the world around them. The right to love and be loved is a fundamental human need.

"Show your love by being tolerant of one another" (Ephesians 4:2).

For the OP: I completely understand your reluctance to come out. It is a hard road, filled with people who are unkind and judgemental. I say celebrate who you are as God made you.

God says,hmmmm?

Why should the Individual have to change for the Collective,just because it claims to have some authority from some Deity,who is,according to it's own Scripture,Vengeful,quick to anger,and rather jealous,and shows it's displeasure in some rather spectacular ways?