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I believe this goes along topic lines but I never see it brought up and I believe it is a serious one among believers at least and others. Oral Sex. Is it a sin? I believe it is. Cor 7 3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… my personal belief is that the sexual organs of the bodies are to be used for sex between spouses that would include kissing, that would include touching, that would even include (in my opinion) , ORAL sex,,,,as a means of stimulating ones partner,,, What about the Blood aspect of it? exactly what kind of oral sex are you into? Shalom MS. Harmony I am not into oral sex period. I believe we are to abstain from blood. I believe blood is always their whether it looks red or not. We are to sustain from Blood this is why to me it is not a good thing to do. All the other touching is no problem for me. I do not believe we should act like the animal kingdom. Blessings |
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In hopes that God will provide me with someone who is capable of abstaining from sex with me, as well as being physically appealing to me I have decided to abstain from masturbation as well. If I can restrain myself from physically acting on my thoughts, then Christ will forgive me for my thoughts, even though I technically shouldn't allow myself to entertain such thoughts. As a side note, any girls out there with a slightly above average look want to free me from this misery, Hi, I'm Christopher... LOL . Your funny was funny. The only problem with you wanting a woman who's pretty, is it could really tempt you into sleeping with her sooner than you thought. So maybe I'm just an idiot for pointing this out, but it really made me think. Would you really want to constantly feel like you're fighting off your urges? We all know the prettier the lover, the worse the urges will get. And they get stronger with time, too ;) |
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I believe this goes along topic lines but I never see it brought up and I believe it is a serious one among believers at least and others. Oral Sex. Is it a sin? I believe it is. Oh goody. I only do the missionary position. |
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Cor 7
3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… That's just wrong. I have authority over my own body! A man is not allow to rape his wife in this day and age... he used to be able to do that... not any more. We have evolved. |
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Cor 7
3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… That's just wrong. I have authority over my own body! A man is not allow to rape his wife in this day and age... he used to be able to do that... not any more. We have evolved. to each their own,,,,, |
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Me personally and just my thoughts if you not a true believer you sinnin almost everyday. Me honestly will hate to wait for a woman marry her then have sex and find out she had an open cave down there or it wasnt really worth it... Its just like a car test drive it before you get it to know if thats what you really want.. Just being real ppl will suprise you.. djm Hahaha hit the nail on the head with that one. Nothing worse than bats, they carry hendra... |
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I don't think people should try to rationalize everything so much.
If you like your religion's beliefs, then great, but if you don't, then why keep the religion and try to change it with your opinions? What if you enjoy doing sinful things, but also respect the words of your religion, or maybe you just like the sense of community? That's no reason to try to lie about who you are, and try to say you haven't done what you've done, and liked it. Maybe your religious friends will reject you for what you've done, but if you're Christian, that's not allowed, so don't worry about it, right? The stigma of being a virgin is pretty strong in society, and so is the idea of people being property, and the opposite gender's thoughts being wrong. I'm not affected by stigma or by what the herd decides is right or wrong right now. I even condition myself not to have gut reactions to things. Yes, thoughts can become obsessive, and those almost always become actions. It can be important to censor your thoughts if you are obsessive, or if you are quick to do what you think about doing. :) The brain is highly "plastic" which basically means nothing has to be the way it is right now. By practicing certain thought techniques you can become someone else entirely. Practicing new things, learning new ways of thinking, actually helps your brain's health in the short term and long term, so it may be a good thing. It's not easy, and some thought techniques are pretty obscure and hard to find, but I have found that many of them do work. Whether sex before marriage is a sin or not is more complicated than it should be. The Bible says to follow man's laws and God's laws, so breaking the laws of one, as long as it's not a sin to follow the law, is breaking the other. I prefer the passage that says you are instantly married when you become one flesh, that makes this question totally irrelevant, but then it adds all sorts of adultery questions. HIV AIDS, in many variants, and many other major STD/STI's are well treated and/or partially cured, but until that time, I personally will not risk infection by having sex without marriage. After extensive study into The Bible's system of morality, and after extensive study into the consequences of immoral acts, I find it difficult to distinguish between morals and ethics. Regardless of whether it's a sin or not, people shouldn't decide to accept or reject each other based on their religious beliefs. They can decide not to associate with each other, and go their separate way, but rejecting someone outright often comes with an emotional burden that isn't healthy, like hate and fear. Even though I wouldn't do it myself, I would still consider marrying someone who has had all kinds of clean fun. Try before you buy? Sorry, but there's no rental agreement for me. Try talking about what you like or dislike, and possibly do some inspections, but you won't be getting a free ride without a signature. Still, feel free to do whatever you want at some other dealership... You get a maximum of about 20,000 days of test drives, then the only thing that matters is personality. |
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Cor 7
3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… That's just wrong. I have authority over my own body! A man is not allow to rape his wife in this day and age... he used to be able to do that... not any more. We have evolved. to each their own,,,,, It's wrong I'm telling you. "The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does" WRONG WRONG WRONG... and stupid. |
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Cor 7
3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… That's just wrong. I have authority over my own body! A man is not allow to rape his wife in this day and age... he used to be able to do that... not any more. We have evolved. to each their own,,,,, It's wrong I'm telling you. "The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does" WRONG WRONG WRONG... and stupid. Wat about Muslims? Their prophet mohhumed married a 4 yr old girl and they worship him. So practically they worship a peodophile. Sick. Personally I don't believe in religion. Evolution all they way. |
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Edited by
KinBarrie
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Sat 08/24/13 08:51 PM
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many sinful things are considered 'normal' or the choice between right and wrong would be much less of a struggle,,,,the conscience and the flesh are often at odds with what is 'right' and what FEELS right,,, So true! A lot of what is considered normal now wasn't so over forty years ago. We see the degradation of humanity, every time we turn on the TV. Violence, sex, people berating and belittling each other. Lust out the wazoo. People are being subliminally brainwashed that this is all normal behavior. The pop stars with their illuminati, satanic attires and videos. They're just posers. The ones who pull the strings are the same ones who try to make us think what's normality and what isn't. Oh some people love the UFC! Watching two men beating the crap out of each other. It wouldn't be as funny if someone who was a spectator was asked to go into the octagon. Total dumbing down of NA's culture. Am I a Saint? No. I've made mistakes. Every human is a sinner. It's repenting for those sins and asking Jesus for forgiveness that's vital, and damn well meaning it. Jesus knows when you're being sincere or you're not. Not one force religion on people or a zealot. However, I hope a lot of people will wake up and see how sinful and pathetic pop culture has become. |
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Cor 7
3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… That's just wrong. I have authority over my own body! A man is not allow to rape his wife in this day and age... he used to be able to do that... not any more. We have evolved. to each their own,,,,, It's wrong I'm telling you. "The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does" WRONG WRONG WRONG... and stupid. Wat about Muslims? Their prophet mohhumed married a 4 yr old girl and they worship him. So practically they worship a peodophile. Sick. Personally I don't believe in religion. Evolution all they way. The Prophet Mohammed was just a man. Jesus was God's son sent down, dying as a man for our sins. There's nothing in the Bible marrying or raping anyone. A total benevolent being, the Lord Jesus. People giving into an unproven theory. Why are there still monkey and gorillas? Some species have adapted to different environments, like a bird having its beak change shape, or the polar bear originally being brown like the grizzly, but eventually changed to white due to the freezing cold temps. |
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Cor 7
3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… That's just wrong. I have authority over my own body! A man is not allow to rape his wife in this day and age... he used to be able to do that... not any more. We have evolved. Maybe you're taking this out of context? This is two people giving into one another through love. Don't think it really implies that a man has the permission to use the forceful and power tripping act of rape upon his wife. |
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According to some occultism specialists, indicate the sexual act as sin is just Jesuits's propaganda, it seems - the shamans say - that the sexual act increases the ability of human beings to channel cosmic energies in his mind, it is clear that this power would cause a conflict of interest with the theosophical existing order. If you do not understand, never mind, it does not matter, have a good Sunday |
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According to some occultism specialists, indicate the sexual act as sin is just Jesuits's propaganda, it seems - the shamans say - that the sexual act increases the ability of human beings to channel cosmic energies in his mind, it is clear that this power would cause a conflict of interest with the theosophical existing order. If you do not understand, never mind, it does not matter, have a good Sunday Well, the occult is in league with satan. It's a practice of the black arts that can be very dan- gerous to people practicing it. Of course some occult specialist would call it propaganda. He's probably a devil worshiper or atheist. I personally wouldn't use a ouija board if you paid me. |
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wer not machines to test first b4 buying wer humans we hev senses if u hev faith in God u must follow his commandments:)
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Cor 7
3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.… That's just wrong. I have authority over my own body! A man is not allow to rape his wife in this day and age... he used to be able to do that... not any more. We have evolved. to each their own,,,,, It's wrong I'm telling you. "The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does" WRONG WRONG WRONG... and stupid. The Word of God is Truth. |
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agreed with aliza
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for those who have sex before marriage i thought i would share this with you, so it does not matter wether you believe it or not..... it just happen
SERIES ON THE TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF SEX THAT ARE UNKNOWN TO MANY. Introduction. Let me be very clear here that sex is spiritual. Sex is also a spiritual transaction. People make the fatal mistake of being carried away by the physical pleasures of sex, oblivious of its powerful spiritual implications. We shall deal with this in more details much later. God approves sex but only within bonafide marriage. Sex is therefore to be enjoyed between two couples who are legitimately or legally married. Satan, as typical, wants you to pervert the use of sex; over- emphasizing its physical satisfaction well above its dangerous spiritual nature. The devil wants everyone to enjoy sex without rules: anyhow, everywhere and with anyone! As far as God is concerned, that satanic approach is ungodly and unholy. It unleashes terrible bondages that bind and destroy many folks [Pro.14:12]. Ungodly use of sex include: *Sex with your girlfriend or boyfriend [fornication] * Sex with a man or woman who promised to marry you[fornication] * Sex with a married man or woman[Adultery] * Sex with animals of all sorts[bestiality] . * Sex with relatives[abomination] * Sex with children[Wickedness] * Sex with your parents or grandparents.[abomination] * When a man has sex with another man.[Homosexuality] * When a woman has sex with another woman.[Lesbianism] * Masturbation[defilement][1Cor.3:16-17;1Cor.6:18-20; Ro.12:1] 1) Hell Fire All ungodly sex without repentance, will lead you to hell fire. That is if you fail to repent and turn from it before you die. Let me underscore one point: you can die anytime. Death does not take permission from anyone. Hence, repentance should be now not later. Check these scriptures- Gal.5:19-21; 1Cor. 6:9-10; Heb.13:4; Eph.5:3, 5-7; Lev.20:10-23; Heb.9:27; Ro.1:26-32; Ezek.33:11; 1John 1:8-9. 2) Lost Destiny. Ungodly sex attacks and aborts your destiny. Simple and true! Your destiny is the spiritual blue print of all that God wants you to accomplish here on earth before you die. It comes with a spiritual ladder that arranges or orders your whole existence[Ps.37:23]. Your destiny is your spiritual assignment. It is a spiritual code bearing all your were designed for by God. It is the road map of your physical journey here on earth. It is therefore a spiritual document detailing your entire life. That document is written before you ever show up in your mother's womb. Like all things spiritual, it is invisible to the natural eyes, but deeply embedded inside your body[Isa.49:1-4; Jer.1:5] Your body has spiritual gates into it. One of the most potent gates is your sex organ. It could be used to access your spiritual content- including your destiny. As I told you, sex is both spiritual and also a transaction - a trade by bater- you give me what you have[good or bad]and I give you what I have[ good or evil] Each time you undertake sexual activity, you are opening up your sexual gate into all your spiritual content - including your destiny. You will never know when your destiny has been stollen or exchanged or usurped or blocked and so on. Satan has devised many means of achieving that. That is why the devil and his collaborators[ both human & demons] advertise sex with elaborate commitment to entice and steal your destiny[Gen.39:7-10]. The cheapest trade today is sexual transaction. But Rueben fell for it as many do today. He slept with his step mother and ruined his destiny as the first born. He never inherited the wealth due to a first born son as prescribed in the bible[ Gen.49:2-4]. Signs Of Lot Destiny. 1) Life without direction or purpose 2) defeat & disappointments 3) A pattern of failure. 4) Confused life. 5) Jack of all trade & master of none. 6) Failure at edge of breakthrough 7) An unsung life. Living in the shadows; others call the shots. 9) Heart beak & illnesses. 10) Untimely death Solution: * You must repent of all immorality and sin. * You must turn away from it. * You must go through deliverance to reclaim your destiny - Obadiah 17. 3) Lose Of Virtue Your virtue is your spiritual endowment that empowers you to fulfill your destiny. We are all spirits with a soul and living in our bodies. For each of us, there is a spirit that contains our giftedness. That giftedness is our ability to perform and achieve God's will for our lives.[Job.32:8-9; Zech.4:6-7; ]. That spirit is your talent or gift. It is inside you as the engine that powers your destiny. It enables you to study that particular field God ha given you talent for. It differentiate you from every other person. If yo lose it your destiny could be amputated or cut-off. To disable your capacity and capabilities, Satan & his hordes are desperate to steal your virtue. Sex provides that avenue. When you have sex, you open the gate so that any devil inside whoever your are having sex with could enter and take it. Having stolen your virtues, the enemy could plant another agenda for your life. That evil agenda starts manifesting in your life. Most evil habits: drunkenness, stealing, promiscuity, bochocho life, vagabond life, drug abuse, homosexuality etc take their roots from this. That will be what people will identify you with. Just one sex is all the devil needs to accomplish that. SIGNS OF IT 1] Feeling of powerlessness. 2] Inability to perform 3] Failure. 4] Self-hate & self-rejection. 5] Self-pity 6] Lost opportunities to excel 7] Under performance. 8] Indecision & procrastination. 9] Hopeless life. 10] Wasted life and so on. 11] Terrible dreams in which you are oppressed. SOLUTION * Deliverance. |
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Edited by
Laura10
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Sat 10/05/13 05:41 PM
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well, Id say, if a man takes and clings to one woman, or one woman to one man,, with or without a ceremony or papers,, if their intent and promise to God is to be bound together,, those two having sex is not a sin,,, the vow before God , imho, makes them husband and wife before God if they have sex BEFORE The include God in such a vow,, its a sin msharmony, I find nothing in the Bible to support what you said. It appears to me that you are making an excuse for two people having sex with each other without becoming legally married. It is as if you are redefining marriage in order to satisfy one's desire for sex. read more closely dodo did God tell adam and eve to sin when he said be fruitful? do you suppose they had a government document to validate their marriage before God? or a traditional ceremony? or was their 'marriage' a marriage because HE brought them together in commitment to each other and to him? just as much as I believe Christianity doesn't require a traditional ceremony, but is about the PERSONAL relation with God I also believe marriage is about a couples personal relation with God,, I believe, biblically, people BECOME ONE, the moment they first have sex,,they become in the spiritual sense husband and wife with the instruction to become one,,, If that is your belief, that is fine and you are entitled to it; but you stated that your belief is Biblical and I strongly disagree. You stated: another example, Jacob lying with LEah made her his wife,, he had no intent, no legal document, no ceremony to declare she was his wife, his action in lying with her MADE HER HIS WIFE,,, Yes, there was a marriage ceremony that was then consummated afterwards, but it was with the wrong woman!!! Marriage ceremonies were huge in those days lasting days or weeks with the whole family unit and community invited so it was a public declaration of covenant and commitment with one another which was life binding and occurred before the consummation. It was not just a commitment of the husband and wife, but of the family unit as a whole. (Examples are Tamar whose husband passed away and it became the brothers responsibility, and ultimately the patriarchal leader to care for her and fulfill the marital duties to her [Gen 38], but we also see this in Ruth and Naomi in the book of Ruth, I am sure there are more examples but you can look for those on your own if you are interested. It is my belief that Jacob could have refused to be married to Leah due to Laban’s deception, but that would have been dishonorable to Laban (the father-in-law) and his family. Jacob decided to do the honorable thing, not so much because he was an honorable man (remember, he was a supplanter and trickster) but because of his true love for Rachel he was even willing to work 7 more years for her. If he would have walked away from the marriage of Leah, then he would have insulted the family and Laban would not have given Rachel, his one true love, to him as his wife. He got tricked; he reaped what he sowed so to speak! Lol Gen. 29:20 20 So Jacob worked seven years to pay for Rachel. But his love for her was so strong that it seemed to him but a few days. Jacobs love for Rachel was strong enough that he labored for 7 additional years after already serving 7 so that he could take her as his wife with the fathers blessing. Now, if his love was for Rachel and she equally loved him, why did he have to serve 14 years for her? Why not just sleep with her and take her as his wife because the Bible is very clear how much they loved one another? |
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Edited by
Laura10
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Sat 10/05/13 05:59 PM
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there is nothing specific to either refute or specifically reaffirm my position,, except that I believe Adam and Eve were just as much husband and wife as anyone since who has had legal documents or ceremonies,,,,as were leah and Jacob, without participating together in ANY legal contract or ceremony,, but just by nature of Gods covenant once they laid together,,,
I believe I have specific Scripture to respectfully refute your position: 2 Samuel 13 New Living Translation (NLT) 13 Now David'��s son Absalom had a beautiful sister named Tamar. And Amnon, her half brother, fell desperately in love with her. 2 Amnon became so obsessed with Tamar that he became ill. She was a virgin, and Amnon thought he could never have her. 3 But Amnon had a very crafty friend, ��his cousin Jonadab. He was the son of David'��s brother Shimea. 4 One day Jonadab said to Amnon, “What’s the trouble? Why should the son of a king look so dejected morning after morning? So Amnon told him, ��I am in love with Tamar, my brother Absalom’s sister. 5 ��Well, Jonadab said, ��I will tell you what to do. Go back to bed and pretend you are ill. When your father comes to see you, ask him to let Tamar come and prepare some food for you. Tell him you’ll feel better if she prepares it as you watch and feeds you with her own hands. 6 So Amnon lay down and pretended to be sick. And when the king came to see him, Amnon asked him, "Please let my sister Tamar come and cook my favorite dish as I watch. Then I can eat it from her own hands."�� 7 So David agreed and sent Tamar to Amnon’s house to prepare some food for him. 8 When Tamar arrived at Amnon'��s house, she went to the place where he was lying down so he could watch her mix some dough. Then she baked his favorite dish for him. 9 But when she set the serving tray before him, he refused to eat. "Everyone get out of here,"�� Amnon told his servants. So they all left. 10 Then he said to Tamar, "��Now bring the food into my bedroom and feed it to me here."�� So Tamar took his favorite dish to him. 11 But as she was feeding him, he grabbed her and demanded, "��Come to bed with me, my darling sister."�� 12 "��No, my brother!"�� she cried. "��Don'��t be foolish! Don'��t do this to me! Such wicked things aren’t done in Israel. 13 Where could I go in my shame? And you would be called one of the greatest fools in Israel. Please, just speak to the king about it, and he will let you marry me."�� The rest of the story is very sad and tragic indeed, but I want to point out something here. Tamar was not refusing Amnon directly; she was refusing to fornicate with him. She wanted to do it the right way, the Biblical way during the tribal patriarchal era, which was marriage where her father gave her away during a marriage ceremony, just as we saw earlier in the story of Jacob, Leah, Rachel and Laban. |
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