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Brad the Patsy! Got to be stupid to brag about something you have done that is Illegal! He could have gotten away with it! But the way he went,I wonder if he still think it was worth it twenty years down the road! A Patsy for that selfserving Punk of Wikileaks! 
Ya know Con.... we need sources like wikileaks to do the job the gov't media won't. We used to have journalists that actually risked their a$$e$ to get stories like this to inform the public..... no more Now any who try are attacked by the IRS and Holders' DOJ, labeled as whistleblowers, and black-balled in the gov't controlled press corp Could have definitely been more discreet! Laying down in front of the Juggernaut won't stop it,it will only crush you,as he will soon experience! "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces." -Étienne de La Boétie We're talking about a 20 yr old child.... how "smart" were you or I at 20? He saw something he considered VERY wrong, the people he worked for responsible for it (remember...a 20 yr old mind) and did something about it. It may have not been the best route, but the news did get out (which it would not have by any other "proper" means....like chain of command Sounds more like a human being controlled by conscience than a traitor to me. A 20 yr old private in a massive machine.... what would you have done? Kids a hero in my eyes! Does anyone remember why they automated our missile defense systems? I agree with you entirely. The guy should be given a medal . What beats me is people who complain bitterly about Government and disagree with Mannings action , that doesn't make sense. The Collateral Damage video which came about as a result of Mannings action showed the US Military in a very true but shameful way and insured that Manning was going to pay a heavy price. Those who complain about government while supporting that same governments unjust action against Manning are part of the problem. |
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Brad the Patsy! Got to be stupid to brag about something you have done that is Illegal! He could have gotten away with it! But the way he went,I wonder if he still think it was worth it twenty years down the road! A Patsy for that selfserving Punk of Wikileaks!
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Brad the Patsy! Got to be stupid to brag about something you have done that is Illegal! He could have gotten away with it! But the way he went,I wonder if he still think it was worth it twenty years down the road! A Patsy for that selfserving Punk of Wikileaks!
Ya know Con.... we need sources like wikileaks to do the job the gov't media won't. We used to have journalists that actually risked their a$$e$ to get stories like this to inform the public..... no more Now any who try are attacked by the IRS and Holders' DOJ, labeled as whistleblowers, and black-balled in the gov't controlled press corp Could have definitely been more discreet! Laying down in front of the Juggernaut won't stop it,it will only crush you,as he will soon experience! "I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces." -Étienne de La Boétie |
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Could Anyone please put up a link for that collateral damage video, please.
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Fri 06/07/13 06:10 AM
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Could Anyone please put up a link for that collateral damage video, please. Would be understandable had he only turned over the Video! Well,he's gonna find out in his own Backside what it means tho think with his Arse! |
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Found one. I found it extremely disturbing the first time and even more disturbing now.
http://www.bradleymanning.org/learn-more/collateral-murder-video |
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WikiLeaks’ New Release: The Kissinger Cables and Bradley Manning. "WikiLeaks’ latest release, which includes documents already declassified but very difficult to search and obtain, is a testament to the ongoing need for WikiLeaks and similar groups. The revealed documents have sparked controversies around the world, even though they relate to the 1970s. If we had a uniform standard of justice, Nobel laureate Henry Kissinger would be the one on trial, and Bradley Manning would win the Nobel Peace Prize." http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/wikileaks_new_release_the_kissinger_cables_and_bradley_manning_20130410/ |
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Found one. I found it extremely disturbing the first time and even more disturbing now. http://www.bradleymanning.org/learn-more/collateral-murder-video |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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The Bradley Manning video release.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wWOIFNlX0T0&feature=endscreen |
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Edited by
HappyBun
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Fri 06/07/13 07:16 AM
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The Bradley Manning video release.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=wWOIFNlX0T0&feature=endscreen Thank you. |
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A legal duty to report war crimes Manning is charged with crimes for sending hundreds of thousands of classified files, documents and videos, including the "Collateral Murder" video, the "Iraq War Logs," the "Afghan War Logs" and State Department cables to Wikileaks. Many of the things he transmitted contain evidence of war crimes. The "Collateral Murder" video depicts a US Apache attack helicopter killing 12 civilians and wounding two children on the ground in Baghdad in 2007. The helicopter then fired on and killed the people trying to rescue the wounded. Finally, a US tank drove over one of the bodies, cutting the man in half. These acts constitute three separate war crimes. Manning fulfilled his legal duty to report war crimes. He complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders. ...........................(more) The complete piece is at: http://truth-out.org/news/item/16731-bradley-mannings-legal-duty-to-expose-war-crimes Military code of justice....... He is innocent, we are guilty. no, those facts are misrepresented a bit... the military always investigates these types of so called "war crimes" does what needs to be done internally. when documents like these get out, it compromises their investigation. Bradley had a clearance, secret, i believe, and they do not hand those out easily. he knew not to do it, it doesn't matter why... they only way he might not get life is the liberals save him, but i think even the libs know how bad he screwed up. a little one sided, as usual... you don't know that any "war crimes" were ever even committed... i watched the real video of the helo shooting the 12, and the part wikileaks left out was one of them shoved a RPG launcher in the white van before the shooting. and the tape clearly shows the followed their orders, as they have to check in with the commander at the base before they fire. he ok'ed it... thats why these videos are surpressed to the public, because of hotheads like you that have it in for bush, anything about his presidency... 7 years after his legacy, you have yet to whine about the currant admin killing kids with drones and lying even worse than whatever you think bush did... you can stop the hate, bush is gone and not coming back.. try google, doesn't matter what you see, your hate for bush will always stand in the way of you being objective in any way... you people are also forgetting that this kid signed a contract with the goverment to keep their secrets, good or bad, and the fool broke the contract... thats the bottom line here, not what you "percieve" to be war crimes... |
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A legal duty to report war crimes Manning is charged with crimes for sending hundreds of thousands of classified files, documents and videos, including the "Collateral Murder" video, the "Iraq War Logs," the "Afghan War Logs" and State Department cables to Wikileaks. Many of the things he transmitted contain evidence of war crimes. The "Collateral Murder" video depicts a US Apache attack helicopter killing 12 civilians and wounding two children on the ground in Baghdad in 2007. The helicopter then fired on and killed the people trying to rescue the wounded. Finally, a US tank drove over one of the bodies, cutting the man in half. These acts constitute three separate war crimes. Manning fulfilled his legal duty to report war crimes. He complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders. ...........................(more) The complete piece is at: http://truth-out.org/news/item/16731-bradley-mannings-legal-duty-to-expose-war-crimes Military code of justice....... He is innocent, we are guilty. no, those facts are misrepresented a bit... the military always investigates these types of so called "war crimes" does what needs to be done internally. when documents like these get out, it compromises their investigation. Bradley had a clearance, secret, i believe, and they do not hand those out easily. he knew not to do it, it doesn't matter why... they only way he might not get life is the liberals save him, but i think even the libs know how bad he screwed up. a little one sided, as usual... you don't know that any "war crimes" were ever even committed... i watched the real video of the helo shooting the 12, and the part wikileaks left out was one of them shoved a RPG launcher in the white van before the shooting. and the tape clearly shows the followed their orders, as they have to check in with the commander at the base before they fire. he ok'ed it... thats why these videos are surpressed to the public, because of hotheads like you that have it in for bush, anything about his presidency... 7 years after his legacy, you have yet to whine about the currant admin killing kids with drones and lying even worse than whatever you think bush did... you can stop the hate, bush is gone and not coming back.. try google, doesn't matter what you see, your hate for bush will always stand in the way of you being objective in any way... you people are also forgetting that this kid signed a contract with the goverment to keep their secrets, good or bad, and the fool broke the contract... thats the bottom line here, not what you "percieve" to be war crimes... Right you are...People like Julian Assange capitalize on hatred, weakness, and ignorance....Manning was played and now he will pay...Excusing Manning would be giving military personnel carte blanche to spy...That is NOT GONNA HAPPEN...If Manning and Assange really wanted to help they would have placed the focus on the activities of oppressive regimes.... |
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WikiLeaks’ New Release: The Kissinger Cables and Bradley Manning. "WikiLeaks’ latest release, which includes documents already declassified but very difficult to search and obtain, is a testament to the ongoing need for WikiLeaks and similar groups. The revealed documents have sparked controversies around the world, even though they relate to the 1970s. If we had a uniform standard of justice, Nobel laureate Henry Kissinger would be the one on trial, and Bradley Manning would win the Nobel Peace Prize." http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/wikileaks_new_release_the_kissinger_cables_and_bradley_manning_20130410/ “Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” ― Henry Kissinger |
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A legal duty to report war crimes Manning is charged with crimes for sending hundreds of thousands of classified files, documents and videos, including the "Collateral Murder" video, the "Iraq War Logs," the "Afghan War Logs" and State Department cables to Wikileaks. Many of the things he transmitted contain evidence of war crimes. The "Collateral Murder" video depicts a US Apache attack helicopter killing 12 civilians and wounding two children on the ground in Baghdad in 2007. The helicopter then fired on and killed the people trying to rescue the wounded. Finally, a US tank drove over one of the bodies, cutting the man in half. These acts constitute three separate war crimes. Manning fulfilled his legal duty to report war crimes. He complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders. ...........................(more) The complete piece is at: http://truth-out.org/news/item/16731-bradley-mannings-legal-duty-to-expose-war-crimes Military code of justice....... He is innocent, we are guilty. no, those facts are misrepresented a bit... the military always investigates these types of so called "war crimes" does what needs to be done internally. when documents like these get out, it compromises their investigation. Bradley had a clearance, secret, i believe, and they do not hand those out easily. he knew not to do it, it doesn't matter why... they only way he might not get life is the liberals save him, but i think even the libs know how bad he screwed up. a little one sided, as usual... you don't know that any "war crimes" were ever even committed... i watched the real video of the helo shooting the 12, and the part wikileaks left out was one of them shoved a RPG launcher in the white van before the shooting. and the tape clearly shows the followed their orders, as they have to check in with the commander at the base before they fire. he ok'ed it... thats why these videos are surpressed to the public, because of hotheads like you that have it in for bush, anything about his presidency... 7 years after his legacy, you have yet to whine about the currant admin killing kids with drones and lying even worse than whatever you think bush did... you can stop the hate, bush is gone and not coming back.. try google, doesn't matter what you see, your hate for bush will always stand in the way of you being objective in any way... you people are also forgetting that this kid signed a contract with the goverment to keep their secrets, good or bad, and the fool broke the contract... thats the bottom line here, not what you "percieve" to be war crimes... Right you are...People like Julian Assange capitalize on hatred, weakness, and ignorance....Manning was played and now he will pay...Excusing Manning would be giving military personnel carte blanche to spy...That is NOT GONNA HAPPEN...If Manning and Assange really wanted to help they would have placed the focus on the activities of oppressive regimes.... As much as I respect you both, and defend your rights to your own opinions, the UCMJ is not written in those words. It was an oath to defend the constitution that he took which supercedes those statements. Any order you feel is unjust or unlawful you are not compelled to follow. Use the chain of command? In this case it was the actions of his superiors that was in question. Who was he going to report it to? That would be like informing the boss he is robbing the company blind and stealing the workers pensions to support his own lifestyle...how far do you think that investigation would go? He had an obligation to inform the public of atrocities, that would have remain hidden under a veil of secrecy otherwise, to his employers....the American People. He used Assange because there was no other outlet that would have informed the general public, his employers, of the atrocities of a corrupt administration, his managers of our trust. We are well aware of this admins desire and ability to bury truth, punish whistleblowers, and hide EVERYTHING under a false veil of secrecy. They are only administrators of our trust.....NOT our, or his, employers! |
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Military laws and rights are different from civilians laws and rights.
If you leak that kind of intel while you're in the military expect the hammer to be brought down upon your head. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Fri 06/07/13 10:35 AM
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Military laws and rights are different from civilians laws and rights. If you leak that kind of intel while you're in the military expect the hammer to be brought down upon your head. That is not the question here. What was "RIGHT" is. The constitution is the law of the land that ALL other laws fall or come under |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Fri 06/07/13 10:33 AM
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Double tap...sorry
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A legal duty to report war crimes Manning is charged with crimes for sending hundreds of thousands of classified files, documents and videos, including the "Collateral Murder" video, the "Iraq War Logs," the "Afghan War Logs" and State Department cables to Wikileaks. Many of the things he transmitted contain evidence of war crimes. The "Collateral Murder" video depicts a US Apache attack helicopter killing 12 civilians and wounding two children on the ground in Baghdad in 2007. The helicopter then fired on and killed the people trying to rescue the wounded. Finally, a US tank drove over one of the bodies, cutting the man in half. These acts constitute three separate war crimes. Manning fulfilled his legal duty to report war crimes. He complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders. ...........................(more) The complete piece is at: http://truth-out.org/news/item/16731-bradley-mannings-legal-duty-to-expose-war-crimes Military code of justice....... He is innocent, we are guilty. no, those facts are misrepresented a bit... the military always investigates these types of so called "war crimes" does what needs to be done internally. when documents like these get out, it compromises their investigation. Bradley had a clearance, secret, i believe, and they do not hand those out easily. he knew not to do it, it doesn't matter why... they only way he might not get life is the liberals save him, but i think even the libs know how bad he screwed up. a little one sided, as usual... you don't know that any "war crimes" were ever even committed... i watched the real video of the helo shooting the 12, and the part wikileaks left out was one of them shoved a RPG launcher in the white van before the shooting. and the tape clearly shows the followed their orders, as they have to check in with the commander at the base before they fire. he ok'ed it... thats why these videos are surpressed to the public, because of hotheads like you that have it in for bush, anything about his presidency... 7 years after his legacy, you have yet to whine about the currant admin killing kids with drones and lying even worse than whatever you think bush did... you can stop the hate, bush is gone and not coming back.. try google, doesn't matter what you see, your hate for bush will always stand in the way of you being objective in any way... you people are also forgetting that this kid signed a contract with the goverment to keep their secrets, good or bad, and the fool broke the contract... thats the bottom line here, not what you "percieve" to be war crimes... Right you are...People like Julian Assange capitalize on hatred, weakness, and ignorance....Manning was played and now he will pay...Excusing Manning would be giving military personnel carte blanche to spy...That is NOT GONNA HAPPEN...If Manning and Assange really wanted to help they would have placed the focus on the activities of oppressive regimes.... As much as I respect you both, and defend your rights to your own opinions, the UCMJ is not written in those words. It was an oath to defend the constitution that he took which supercedes those statements. Any order you feel is unjust or unlawful you are not compelled to follow. Use the chain of command? In this case it was the actions of his superiors that was in question. Who was he going to report it to? That would be like informing the boss he is robbing the company blind and stealing the workers pensions to support his own lifestyle...how far do you think that investigation would go? He had an obligation to inform the public of atrocities, that would have remain hidden under a veil of secrecy otherwise, to his employers....the American People. He used Assange because there was no other outlet that would have informed the general public, his employers, of the atrocities of a corrupt administration, his managers of our trust. We are well aware of this admins desire and ability to bury truth, punish whistleblowers, and hide EVERYTHING under a false veil of secrecy. They are only administrators of our trust.....NOT our, or his, employers! No worries Soul Man...I respect you toO!! 
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Military laws and rights are different from civilians laws and rights. If you leak that kind of intel while you're in the military expect the hammer to be brought down upon your head. That is not the question here. What was "RIGHT" is. The constitution is the law of the land that ALL other laws fall or come under What is right is not the law. If the military went by what was right than our national security would be screwed. So therefore your argument about what's right and what's wrong is irrelevant. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Fri 06/07/13 10:51 AM
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Military laws and rights are different from civilians laws and rights. If you leak that kind of intel while you're in the military expect the hammer to be brought down upon your head. That is not the question here. What was "RIGHT" is. The constitution is the law of the land that ALL other laws fall or come under What is right is not the law. If the military went by what was right than our national security would be screwed. So therefore your argument about what's right and what's wrong is irrelevant. Might I suggest some reading for you..... it's call the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights contained therein |
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