Hitler was a great speaker too, if thats what you are referring to.

However, I dont see any comparison when I look at the two and the EMOTION And PERSONALITY behind them. I dont remember seeing anyhthing like love in any of the snippets Ive seen from Hitler. I dont recall him sitting or meeting with anyone that wasnt of the 'superior race' and being respectful or considerate. I also dont remember him having any semblance of a human connection to anyone, outside of Eva Braun,,, no family to speak of, no children,, these things say something about a persons heart too,,,,,,



I dont personally think its EVER BETTER to believe in a partial truth,, if the whole truth is available.

similarly, I dont believe its better to take media snippets or out of context quptes , if the whole event is avaiable to verify for ourself.

So, you are turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to Farrakhan's racism.

no, IM just not obsessing on it,,,,

So, you admit that Farrakhan engages in racism, which is what U.S. Rep. John Conyers criticized.

I'd like to know what standard that you use to determine which racism is acceptable to you and which isn't. If I recall correctly, you once said that racism isn't absolutely wrong. So, is Farrakhan's racism the kind of racism that, in your opinion, isn't wrong?

well, yes and no, without going back through the whole thread, my understanding was that there was alleged 'anti jewish' sentiment

this is the charge that is leveled at Farrakhan often and from politically powerful groups like ADL and SPLC,,,,,I suggested that I would like to hear what he actually said, because I Remember this same type of thing leveled about Rev WRight over a soundbyte in which the full context became important


similarly, I dont know that conyers left feeling it was offensive or why he would listen to a whole speech and not leave if it was so offensive, so I question how he came to the conclusion that he should apologize (because HE thought it was offensive, or because politically powerful groups think it is offensive)


I have listened to some things people claim were anti semitic which I dont believe were,, that is my opinion...

if you will also recall, I have also stated in many ways and many threads that noone is always right or always wrong,,,

so, there are times when I think Farrakhan is wrong in his beliefs about race, particularly where the creation of white people is concerned

that is a wrong/false BELIEF< in my opinion
it is by definition racist because it assumes that we are not all from the same place


however, MOST of what this elder says makes sense to me in the CONTEXTS in which he speaks and considering the experiences he is referring to,,,,

I think he is no doubt focues mainly on the black race which he is a part of , but I dont think it is the same as him being anti other races

I think he is MOSTLY for justice and accountability,, which I dont think are wrong,,,,

I think he is potentially mislead about the character or intent of others sometimes, as we all have been

..Just my opinion

From Encyclopedia Britannica:


By continuing to divide humans into artificial "races", one is keeping racism alive.

"I think he is MOSTLY for justice and accountability".


What has he done in this respect? Name something.

no more than dividing them into nationalities,, I can respect that people have common national histories without feeling better or worse

that 'division' is not negative or undesirable

I can similarly respect people have common ANCESTRAL histories without feeling better or worse

and I can aknowledge and learn about how that ancestral background was so deeply ingrained into american laws and justice without feeling better or worse

I realize race is social and not 'biogenetically distinct',, its just a way to put people into common groups

we all belong in groups that are within groups,, that is nothing to fear or be offended about,,

not that it will really matter, you asked for something, and Im sure you and others will continue to ask even after it is provided

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_9145.shtml

This looked like more of a recruitment for followers. More racist
followers that is.

just as I thought, you (generally speaking, not specifically) 'see' what you want to 'see'

no link I provide or information I provide would change what people choose to see,,

including myself

I have listened to this elder repeatedly, and I have come to feel he is vastly misrepresented in media

I just dont see the monster others insist is there,,,

Oh, you mean like the way that the Republican Party is constantly misrepresented by Democrats and by liberals in the mainstream media. Got it.

liberals are misrepresented, conservatives are misrepresented,,,,

yeah,, just like that,, drama and controversy get viewership and sponsors,,,,

thats what we create,,,,

So, the next time that a Democrat says something negative about the Republican Party, I can dismiss what is said as being a misrepresentation of the Republican Party. Got it.

dodo dear, you can dismiss anything you feel like dismissing

we all can,,,

That is an answer that I can accept.

This is for you, msharmony:

Mr. Conyers must condemn what the Hon. Min. says, that is why he was there, to undermine, his political career depends on his opposing the Minister. The facts are that the Minister never lies, he always speaks the truth. There is nothing anti semite in exposing the truth. Is a woman anti man for speaking on behalf of rape victims? Of course not. As for the supposedly homophobic remarks, there is nothing wrong with teaching against homosexuality, every religion opposes such behavior. Whats wrong with teaching ones son that inserting a penis where it does not belong nor intended for is wrong? It is wrong.

truth is a matter of perspective... anyone that bashes the Jews the way he does isn't telling any truth, but just repeating what he has heard... when was the last time he went to Israel? does he even know any Jews? he's just spreading hate, and you as black man should know that better than anyone... i'm guessing if was a white preacher saying the same things, you would have a big problem with it, huh...