I have had some women try to "mother" (or was it smother) me.

I ended up leaving home.

A circle jerk is a guy who gets jerked from one woman to the next, because they don't know what they want, can't make up their mind, are too cold or indifferent to get attached or just enjoy jerking guys around.

As to how they look? Very tired.

Actually, no... this is a circle jerk. Specifically, I was thinking of the first and second examples.

You must take the lead in every interaction with a woman.
An " unconscious decisiveness. "
If she doesn't like something, she'll let you know.
But you gotta take the lead.

If you become the follower you put the woman in the leadership role and that's something most women don't want to be in.

Women don't respect men who are submissive to them and secretly resent men who look to them to make decisions.

They don't all resent that secretly mate.

I think it boils down to taking responsibility for everything that goes on in a household...And staying involved and staying "active" in the decision-making process...If one partner takes a "back-seat" and leaves everything up to his or her partner this isn't really fair...When we're kids we have parents to "take care" of us but when we become adults we're responsible for ourselves and everything that "goes on" in our homes. (Whether we like it or not!)...Some men and women fall into more of a "passive role" when they "hook-up" with a mate. (At least when it comes to certain areas.)...And they expect their mate to pick-up the "slack" and do most of the planning or problem-solving or "deciding" etc...People who have a tendency to be passive (or compliant) need a "strong-willed" and overly-responsible mate. (To "balance" things "out.") This is how it seems to me anyway...It's different when both partners "feel responsible" for everything and no one tries to "skate-by." (Or "get out" of doing certain things etc.)

Actually I was the primary decision maker in both of my relationships, I never put everything on the woman as I felt it was my place as the man to take on most of the burdens, to be strong and supportive to my partner, It has always given me great joy to do for others especially the person I was in love with.

I also understand it is part of the woman's nature to nurture, I do believe most men resist to being nurtured by woman and see it as a sign of male weakness, I however don't have a problem when it comes to nurturing in a relationship, the male also should nurture the woman, it is when this nurturing gets out of hand and becomes smothering, men and women both can be guilty of this.

A perfect example my ex and myself were in the grocery store one day in the medicine aisle, I was diagnosed with ulcers at a very young age, I think she gave me the ulcers, lool, with ulcers you have certain symptoms in the shall I say sitting down regions guys know what I am talking about here, she blurted right in front of the whole store to hear if I was in need of more Prep-H, which I found very inconsiderate and as you may imagine embarrassing, I just acted like I didn't know her, and walked away this of coarse was one of many instances where she treated me like her child.

I think because of this nurturing instinct women have sometimes they don't know when to turn it off, relationships should be treat a women like a woman, treat a man like a man whether women want to admit it or not, they are the ones that set both boundaries and the tone in a relationship.

Ladies I already know this will sound chauvinist, but if you want your man to act like one, treat him like one, men have a need to feel mostly in control, to feel like protectors and providers try to emphasize your mans more positive traits instead of dwelling on the negative ones so much, do his positives out number his negative ones, I think in many instances the woman looks to the man for all of her happiness and emotional needs, like the old saying goes, first you must learn to love yourself before you can love others.

It's not chauvinistic—it's the truth. In too many instances women just don't help the man feel like a man, because they're too busy knocking him down. I see a lot of that in this forum. So amen, brother.

You are a wise man dmckinnon

Just wait till the women read it, lol.

Holding my breathe in anticipation, and besides women always and I mean always have an opinion.

Yep, even if they're wrong. But then they'll make you feel like you're wrong and they're right—and if for some reason (God forbid) that doesn't work, woe unto you.

That is why I don't ever argue with a woman, I was actually raised by a very strong minded woman, don't get me wrong I loved and even admired my mom, but she could just never admit she was wrong at most she would only admit to being mistaken with no apology, my sister was the same way.

We must have had the same mom [grin]. It's interesting to note what you said, because in today's society a lot of women have become like this. And even if you're very loving, understanding and respectful (as I have been with the women in my life) it still doesn't seem to break through that rigid wall they've built around their heart.

They say they want to be treated with respect and as equals, but the first true alpha male they run across, all that preaching goes right out the window, and the ones they wind up with are going to treat them like sh...t, they always seem to be looking for that level of danger and excitement in a man, which just goes to show how a woman wants a man to be dominate.

Well, in the beginning, my ex told me she wanted me to be the man in her life. She followed this statement with constantly bashing me at every male level she could. Her excuse? I was a man, just like every other man in her life, so how are you suppose to overcome that? You can't, because the problem wasn't mine—it was hers.

That's the problem with relationships these days—women claim they want a man to love them, cherish them, respect them, etcetera, but then they don't want to give those same sentiments in return. Either that, or it's all mixed together with wanting the "decent guy" and then the "bad boy" or whatever else might be rolling around in their head.

All valid points.

If I may add my opinion....

To an extent...my woman does her damned best to do her best for me. It is amazing. I never had any woman treat me this good.

No schitt.,.she treats me better than I deserve.

Women RAWK...cept for the skanki tards.

:)

The whole.."she is trying to change me " thing is weak and has been done to death.

Try...I am who I am.

If someone can change who you are....someone ain't the problem.

If you can remember to be you...then you got no problem.

If someone wants you to change and you change....you are the problem.

I think a lot of issues men and women face in their adult relationships stem from "unfinished business" with our parents. (Problems that can date "way back" or be current and ongoing etc.)...If a boy grows-up with a passive dad and strong-willed mom he can blame his mom or his dad for the obvious inequities...Women may have problems later in life if they grew-up with a dad who seemed "indifferent" or disinterested. (And way off in the background compared to their mother's involvement in their everyday lives.)...We can follow in our parents' footsteps or we can decide to be "different" at some point along the way and "invent" new and better ways of relating to our adult partners. Don't you think?

Well maybe that was the problem, I have always been a little bit bullheaded, got it from my mother, I really do like a lot of things about myself, don't see the need for major change, just that some women want to turn you into someone else, their ideal version of a man, I would tell my ex you got to love me the way I am, I don't know how to be someone else, if you want someone else, then go and find him, in which she did.