Yes, but that doesn't surprise anyone after you've imparted 11,757 bits of wisdom upon us Hippy.

It doesn't surprise anyone I'm not in a relationship??

ViaMusica and Dodo...I think I heard you two being paged to

the... "Arguing Like An Old Married Couple That Stopped HAVING SEX

Years Ago"...thead.

Now kiss....I SAID KISS DAGNAMIT... and make up, before

you scare the children.

Shocks the double hockey sticks out of me Hippy!

I'm not the one who started the argument.

I gave my input, and she responded by criticizing ...

Oh, wait. That is how some wives respond to their husbands.

Oh, Dodo, what are we gonna do with you!

I think that it is. It brings enjoyment and bonding to a relationship and a way to blow off steam. Not to say that it is necessary for everyone.

Well, that's really open minded of you to have been able to "learn" something that you already believed.

This term "meaningful romance" that you are using covers what other people would call friendship or just dating. Now, you have tried to claim before that if a couple are not married then they are not in a commited relationship but you may now have decided to drop that claim and now you are prepared to recognise extra marrital relationships. You have, in fact, told us that there is something called a "dating relationship" and under this heading you wish to include both those poor unfortunates that are incapable of resisting the pleasures of the flesh and those that wish to wait for some indefinite period before they "indulge in sexual intercourse". In this way you can shift the goal posts around to fit the argument that you want to make.

What does it mean to say that a "romance" is "meaningful"? This is simply the statement that it means something to you. You want more than that though and you are insisting that a so-called "dating relationship" that does not include sex is every bit as much of a relationship as a relationship that does and you apparently wish to keep this about people that are not married because that way you can exclude what you consider to be an appropriate sort of sexual relationship. I dare say that you might agree that a sexless marriage is a marriage in name only but you still want to claim that a sexless relationship can be a "meaningful romance".

This thread is one massive circle jerk with people talking at cross purposes and playing fast and loose with the term "relationship" to mean what they want it to mean. If you called your "meaningful romances" that do not include sex friendships then there would be no argument. Yeah, there are women on dating sites that say that they are looking for friendship and that it might lead to more than that. Well done for spotting those women that want to get to know someone first before they get into a physical relationship with them.

no

Absolutely!

On the contrary, the argument exists because you insist that two single adults can't have a meaningful romance unless they are having sexual intercourse, which isn't true. It is like a man who can't run a mile in less than four minutes claiming that no man can run a mile in less than four minutes.




I said that there are single women on this site who don't want sexual intercourse before they get married. I know so because I have read their profiles. Such single women do exist. Why, then, do you insist that they don't exist?

By the way, on this thread I have never said that it was wrong for single adults to participate in sexual intercourse while dating others.

actually there are no means in relation of sex

Sex is not necessary for relationship, mutual Trust, faithful, honest and love is necessary for relationship.

Well, that's awfully nice of you to have not said that it's wrong for single adults to participate in sexual intercourse while dating others. I'm sure that they apreciate that but why are you bringing "others" into it when this is supposed to be about whether sex is necessary in a relationship? Is it now about what you think is permissible in a "dating relationship"?

You are now claiming that I am insisting that what you call a "romance" isn't meaningful because it isn't a sexual relationship. I don't believe that I said that at all but I guess that you are just a little bit confused about what I did mean and you would like me to explain it to you in such a way that you can agree with it.

If you want to call a friendship a romance and say that my calling it a friendship makes it meaningless, that seems like you think that friendship is some meaningless thing and I'm sure that you can't have meant that. You want to say that people in a "dating relationship" are not merely friends because it's meant to be romantic though. Well okay but it's daft to keep trying to push this argument that being capable of sticking to a vow of celibacy is like running a four minute mile. You don't want to have sex before marriage and there are other people that don't either. Whoop dee doo. Thanks for proving that such people exist by going on the internet and finding them. Perhaps next you can go on an expedition into the Amazon to track down a lost tribe that still practices old traditions that are sadly dying out in this modern world of ours.

Your posts give me the impression that you are, for some reason, opposed to single adults choosing to have a romance that doesn't include sexual intercourse.

You don't say. Your posts give me the impression that you, for some reason, are trying to build up straw men so that you can knock them down by deliberately misrepresenting what people that don't agree with you say.

This campaign against single adults choosing to have a romance that doesn't include sexual intercourse is a product of your imagination. Why are you trying to make this about morality? How do you move from arguing that something counts as a "romance" to a claim about the right to have such a romance? How am I saying that it is morally wrong for people to go out with each other and not have sexual intercourse? Why are you trying to make me into the thought police?

I loves the way U think!! U say what alot of us feel!!! who gives a crap what others think? they have their mrals and U have YOURS!! Go for it love!!!

Also, I get the impression that you think that your "true love waits" sexual morality makes you in some way superior to people that don't really go along with that. People here are saying that they wouldn't consider that to be a fulfilling relationship and you want to compare it to being able to run a four minute mile. Not doing something because of moral prejudices isn't an achievement. It's merely the decision to keep a friendship platonic.