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Topic: what's your program?
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Thu 03/14/13 10:22 PM
I just finished up work and it made me think of a topic I would like to talk about and see what your thoughts are.

Did you ever stop to think that you are programed and how different we are from each other because of that programing?

Tonight I was doing a studio session in playback mode and people were talking about the sound and where it was and where to take it. I knew that a certain fella was coming over and even though the guys do not agree or like his sound I set the system to match his taste. Sure enough he comes in, sits down, listens, "I love it", and leaves. Not 2 seconds after he leaves I put the sound back to the way the rest of the guys liked it so we could move on.

I deal with this all the time and have my whole life and it has taught me a lot about people. We all have programs built into our heads that tell us we are right and something is wrong.

Are you aware of your programing and how does it differ from those you meet or know? Do you instinctively think you are right? Are you aware that everyone does this and in their own mind they honestly think they are as right as you? Do you stop to listen to "their right" or try to push them over with yours?

Most folks aren't even aware when their pushing but they think the others around them are.

your thoughts?

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Thu 03/14/13 10:41 PM
Instinct sometimes work for me. But for me being different from them(i dont want to elaborate it), i try to disregard those and focus them(family) even if it brought regret. Hehe programming.. Computer? Kidding. I am someone who listens and accept ideas. But if i knew somethings not right , there i will barge in. Even if mostly its been disregarded.

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Thu 03/14/13 11:30 PM
Mine is called "mother knows best"... No matter how hard I try I can't get my mom's training out of my system... it's based on logic and feelings, or rather instinct/intuition... and I have an open mind to all possibilities, but rule out what doesn't work for me personally... I hope this is the right answer to your question about being programmed...

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Fri 03/15/13 12:00 AM
Yep, we have them. Every situation that comes our way we have a program ready to jump right into our brain and take over. These programs tell us we're doing something right and every time someone has a different idea we see if it fits in our automode of thinking and a lot of times we respond to our way whether it makes sense at all or not.

here's a simple one

I have some girlfriends who are crazy over the best price of gas in town. They will look on line and only go to the best place. Problem is by the time they go 25 miles to get it they burnt up more than they would have saved on a full tank fillup. You tell them this and show them but they can't let go of going miles and miles for the savings of 2 bucks, when it cost them 4 bucks to get that savings.

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Fri 03/15/13 12:18 AM
Here's another one that makes no sense to me at all. How many plates does an American need? I go to clients homes and see dishes in their sinks that could be national monuments. I mean there's two people living there and never eat together and the sink overflow-ith. They come to my place and see no dishes in the sink. When by myself I cook and eat out of the cooking pan (nice cooking pans). Then I wash it out and put it back on the stove. How easy is that, but my friends freak out over this.

I have friends that haven't eaten at the diner table for ten years yet it sits there empty. (major program)

So you have a special room for dishes and plates and a beautiful table but you never sit down and actually eat or do anything in that room?

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Fri 03/15/13 12:23 AM
How else are we supposed to react, mg? You are confusing me... How can we possibly think like others and accept everything they say or do if we weren't raised like them, don't have the same education, or social status, etc... I think the best we all can do is to accept who we are and work with whatever assets we have between our ears to the best of our ability, treating each other with respect and kindness, even if we don't agree with each others ideals.. It really doesn't take rocket science to understand that cultural differences that need deciphering just to make a connection can take some getting used too, if we really like the personality involved and want to keep going back for more... (jmho) As far as your girlfriends spending more for less, are they blonds? Just kidding... it's hard to believe that anyone isn't capable of seeing the basic truth in this issue tho, even if they are women...

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Fri 03/15/13 12:35 AM

Here's another one that makes no sense to me at all. How many plates does an American need? I go to clients homes and see dishes in their sinks that could be national monuments. I mean there's two people living there and never eat together and the sink overflow-ith. They come to my place and see no dishes in the sink. When by myself I cook and eat out of the cooking pan (nice cooking pans). Then I wash it out and put it back on the stove. How easy is that, but my friends freak out over this.

I have friends that haven't eaten at the diner table for ten years yet it sits there empty. (major program)

So you have a special room for dishes and plates and a beautiful table but you never sit down and actually eat or do anything in that room?


Okay... but stacked up dishes is nasty... and reeks of lazy... and ever since my x-husband took the stove as his part of our divorce agreement, I've cooked only in my microwave... bet I'm nuking myself everyday this way... but, I still get one good meal week, on Sundays, when he still fixes me a feast fit for an x-wife, on that very stove... lol... when we were married, Sunday's were his day to spoil me and he likes to keep up the tradition even now, so I'm not complaining, cuz he's an excellent cook... oops, off topic, where was I... oh yeah... programming is also referred to as tradition, isn't it? Like the table in the dining room that's never used... it's always there just in case we need it... and besides, what would the neighbors think if we didn't have a place to eat holiday feasts together, especially Thanksgiving... it's kinda like Easter.. there's a church on every corner, but most people don't use them anymore accept once or twice a year, on Easter and Christmas... what we call tradition, is also programming.. see??? no?? okay, my bad... slaphead

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Fri 03/15/13 01:07 AM
Here's another one arguing. We know if we don't agree and we can't work it out in a rational way we will some how in the conversation turn a debate into an argument. We've been there a hundred times and it always turns into one, and we can feel the heat rising as we're talking but we still keep going down the road because of our program instead of taking the situation and turning it into an answer. We have google for the answer but we choose the program of getting angry to get there.

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Fri 03/15/13 01:18 AM


Here's another one that makes no sense to me at all. How many plates does an American need? I go to clients homes and see dishes in their sinks that could be national monuments. I mean there's two people living there and never eat together and the sink overflow-ith. They come to my place and see no dishes in the sink. When by myself I cook and eat out of the cooking pan (nice cooking pans). Then I wash it out and put it back on the stove. How easy is that, but my friends freak out over this.

I have friends that haven't eaten at the diner table for ten years yet it sits there empty. (major program)

So you have a special room for dishes and plates and a beautiful table but you never sit down and actually eat or do anything in that room?


Okay... but stacked up dishes is nasty... and reeks of lazy... and ever since my x-husband took the stove as his part of our divorce agreement, I've cooked only in my microwave... bet I'm nuking myself everyday this way... but, I still get one good meal week, on Sundays, when he still fixes me a feast fit for an x-wife, on that very stove... lol... when we were married, Sunday's were his day to spoil me and he likes to keep up the tradition even now, so I'm not complaining, cuz he's an excellent cook... oops, off topic, where was I... oh yeah... programming is also referred to as tradition, isn't it? Like the table in the dining room that's never used... it's always there just in case we need it... and besides, what would the neighbors think if we didn't have a place to eat holiday feasts together, especially Thanksgiving... it's kinda like Easter.. there's a church on every corner, but most people don't use them anymore accept once or twice a year, on Easter and Christmas... what we call tradition, is also programming.. see??? no?? okay, my bad... slaphead


My wife was exceptional at taking shortcuts, and getting use out of something. There was no wasted space in any of our places and she had a way of turning tradition into something fun and fresh. She was so unconventional and being with her was like an adventure in doing things without problems (programs). I never saw anyone fit into so many places and situations. My whole approach to thinking changed because of her.

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Fri 03/15/13 01:29 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Fri 03/15/13 01:31 AM

Here's another one arguing. We know if we don't agree and we can't work it out in a rational way we will some how in the conversation turn a debate into an argument. We've been there a hundred times and it always turns into one, and we can feel the heat rising as we're talking but we still keep going down the road because of our program instead of taking the situation and turning it into an answer. We have google for the answer but we choose the program of getting angry to get there.


what noway

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Fri 03/15/13 01:36 AM

How else are we supposed to react, mg? You are confusing me... How can we possibly think like others and accept everything they say or do if we weren't raised like them, don't have the same education, or social status, etc... I think the best we all can do is to accept who we are and work with whatever assets we have between our ears to the best of our ability, treating each other with respect and kindness, even if we don't agree with each others ideals.. It really doesn't take rocket science to understand that cultural differences that need deciphering just to make a connection can take some getting used too, if we really like the personality involved and want to keep going back for more... (jmho) As far as your girlfriends spending more for less, are they blonds? Just kidding... it's hard to believe that anyone isn't capable of seeing the basic truth in this issue tho, even if they are women...


Here's what I'm saying. Our up bringing or past dealings have no affect on us unless we give it permission to. I broke out of the program when I was young. Now when people see my brother and sisters together they would have had no idea I was in the same family. Now how did I break out. I just did it. There's a program that gets put in most that fills them with fear and consequences when there really aren't any. But that program of fear over rules the freedom because we let it. We feel we need to hang on to the tape that we think will play. So we never step out. But here's the thing, we're the ones playing the tape.

How many guys and gals are sitting there right now playing the grass is greener tape for example. There's nothing wrong with their marriage but if they keep playing that tape there will be. There are millions of programs people play and when you start looking at them for what they are you start seeing that they are only an illusion we have built. An illusion we defend so we can keep our tapes playing.

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Fri 03/15/13 01:36 AM



Here's another one that makes no sense to me at all. How many plates does an American need? I go to clients homes and see dishes in their sinks that could be national monuments. I mean there's two people living there and never eat together and the sink overflow-ith. They come to my place and see no dishes in the sink. When by myself I cook and eat out of the cooking pan (nice cooking pans). Then I wash it out and put it back on the stove. How easy is that, but my friends freak out over this.

I have friends that haven't eaten at the diner table for ten years yet it sits there empty. (major program)

So you have a special room for dishes and plates and a beautiful table but you never sit down and actually eat or do anything in that room?


Okay... but stacked up dishes is nasty... and reeks of lazy... and ever since my x-husband took the stove as his part of our divorce agreement, I've cooked only in my microwave... bet I'm nuking myself everyday this way... but, I still get one good meal week, on Sundays, when he still fixes me a feast fit for an x-wife, on that very stove... lol... when we were married, Sunday's were his day to spoil me and he likes to keep up the tradition even now, so I'm not complaining, cuz he's an excellent cook... oops, off topic, where was I... oh yeah... programming is also referred to as tradition, isn't it? Like the table in the dining room that's never used... it's always there just in case we need it... and besides, what would the neighbors think if we didn't have a place to eat holiday feasts together, especially Thanksgiving... it's kinda like Easter.. there's a church on every corner, but most people don't use them anymore accept once or twice a year, on Easter and Christmas... what we call tradition, is also programming.. see??? no?? okay, my bad... slaphead


My wife was exceptional at taking shortcuts, and getting use out of something. There was no wasted space in any of our places and she had a way of turning tradition into something fun and fresh. She was so unconventional and being with her was like an adventure in doing things without problems (programs). I never saw anyone fit into so many places and situations. My whole approach to thinking changed because of her.


Was? As in past tense? Is your wife gone? I think it's really cool when people can learn to let go and try on different hats... that's the best part of life, to me... the awakening, the sharing, the old becoming new again...

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Fri 03/15/13 01:41 AM


Here's another one arguing. We know if we don't agree and we can't work it out in a rational way we will some how in the conversation turn a debate into an argument. We've been there a hundred times and it always turns into one, and we can feel the heat rising as we're talking but we still keep going down the road because of our program instead of taking the situation and turning it into an answer. We have google for the answer but we choose the program of getting angry to get there.


what noway


I know and see tons of people who do this. They have the program of baiting arguments. I see it on mingle all the time lol. They don't really have a point. What they do have is a need to feed their program.

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Fri 03/15/13 01:44 AM




Here's another one that makes no sense to me at all. How many plates does an American need? I go to clients homes and see dishes in their sinks that could be national monuments. I mean there's two people living there and never eat together and the sink overflow-ith. They come to my place and see no dishes in the sink. When by myself I cook and eat out of the cooking pan (nice cooking pans). Then I wash it out and put it back on the stove. How easy is that, but my friends freak out over this.

I have friends that haven't eaten at the diner table for ten years yet it sits there empty. (major program)

So you have a special room for dishes and plates and a beautiful table but you never sit down and actually eat or do anything in that room?


Okay... but stacked up dishes is nasty... and reeks of lazy... and ever since my x-husband took the stove as his part of our divorce agreement, I've cooked only in my microwave... bet I'm nuking myself everyday this way... but, I still get one good meal week, on Sundays, when he still fixes me a feast fit for an x-wife, on that very stove... lol... when we were married, Sunday's were his day to spoil me and he likes to keep up the tradition even now, so I'm not complaining, cuz he's an excellent cook... oops, off topic, where was I... oh yeah... programming is also referred to as tradition, isn't it? Like the table in the dining room that's never used... it's always there just in case we need it... and besides, what would the neighbors think if we didn't have a place to eat holiday feasts together, especially Thanksgiving... it's kinda like Easter.. there's a church on every corner, but most people don't use them anymore accept once or twice a year, on Easter and Christmas... what we call tradition, is also programming.. see??? no?? okay, my bad... slaphead


My wife was exceptional at taking shortcuts, and getting use out of something. There was no wasted space in any of our places and she had a way of turning tradition into something fun and fresh. She was so unconventional and being with her was like an adventure in doing things without problems (programs). I never saw anyone fit into so many places and situations. My whole approach to thinking changed because of her.


Was? As in past tense? Is your wife gone? I think it's really cool when people can learn to let go and try on different hats... that's the best part of life, to me... the awakening, the sharing, the old becoming new again...


Yep, she was a light bulb of brilliance and outlooks. My family passed a few years ago.

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Fri 03/15/13 01:56 AM


How else are we supposed to react, mg? You are confusing me... How can we possibly think like others and accept everything they say or do if we weren't raised like them, don't have the same education, or social status, etc... I think the best we all can do is to accept who we are and work with whatever assets we have between our ears to the best of our ability, treating each other with respect and kindness, even if we don't agree with each others ideals.. It really doesn't take rocket science to understand that cultural differences that need deciphering just to make a connection can take some getting used too, if we really like the personality involved and want to keep going back for more... (jmho) As far as your girlfriends spending more for less, are they blonds? Just kidding... it's hard to believe that anyone isn't capable of seeing the basic truth in this issue tho, even if they are women...


Here's what I'm saying. Our up bringing or past dealings have no affect on us unless we give it permission to. I broke out of the program when I was young. Now when people see my brother and sisters together they would have had no idea I was in the same family. Now how did I break out. I just did it. There's a program that gets put in most that fills them with fear and consequences when there really aren't any. But that program of fear over rules the freedom because we let it. We feel we need to hang on to the tape that we think will play. So we never step out. But here's the thing, we're the ones playing the tape.

How many guys and gals are sitting there right now playing the grass is greener tape for example. There's nothing wrong with their marriage but if they keep playing that tape there will be. There are millions of programs people play and when you start looking at them for what they are you start seeing that they are only an illusion we have built. An illusion we defend so we can keep our tapes playing.


Okay, I get the breaking free early, I did the same thing... and was emancipated shortly after my 16th birthday. But the lessons I learned during the years under my parents tutelage still guide some of my decisions and actions. Take for instance the religion they chose for me to learn... even after I became an adult I stayed with the same church because I believe their message more than any other... but could my choice just be prior programming, or is it truly my decision that I based on my own preferences?

Listening to the same tape over and over again would drive me ape shyt... for lack of better terminology... I guess that's why the road less traveled is the one I prefer... life and my existence has to have challenge and variety just to keep me interested, and focused... but I get your point... we make our own beds, and we want to keep sleeping in them, because they are more comfortable and familiar to us. And the only time they get exciting is when we invite someone else to join us there.. but, if we're just a stick in the mud, we won't accept the invitation, and will miss out on the fun we could have had...

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Fri 03/15/13 01:58 AM





Here's another one that makes no sense to me at all. How many plates does an American need? I go to clients homes and see dishes in their sinks that could be national monuments. I mean there's two people living there and never eat together and the sink overflow-ith. They come to my place and see no dishes in the sink. When by myself I cook and eat out of the cooking pan (nice cooking pans). Then I wash it out and put it back on the stove. How easy is that, but my friends freak out over this.

I have friends that haven't eaten at the diner table for ten years yet it sits there empty. (major program)

So you have a special room for dishes and plates and a beautiful table but you never sit down and actually eat or do anything in that room?


Okay... but stacked up dishes is nasty... and reeks of lazy... and ever since my x-husband took the stove as his part of our divorce agreement, I've cooked only in my microwave... bet I'm nuking myself everyday this way... but, I still get one good meal week, on Sundays, when he still fixes me a feast fit for an x-wife, on that very stove... lol... when we were married, Sunday's were his day to spoil me and he likes to keep up the tradition even now, so I'm not complaining, cuz he's an excellent cook... oops, off topic, where was I... oh yeah... programming is also referred to as tradition, isn't it? Like the table in the dining room that's never used... it's always there just in case we need it... and besides, what would the neighbors think if we didn't have a place to eat holiday feasts together, especially Thanksgiving... it's kinda like Easter.. there's a church on every corner, but most people don't use them anymore accept once or twice a year, on Easter and Christmas... what we call tradition, is also programming.. see??? no?? okay, my bad... slaphead


My wife was exceptional at taking shortcuts, and getting use out of something. There was no wasted space in any of our places and she had a way of turning tradition into something fun and fresh. She was so unconventional and being with her was like an adventure in doing things without problems (programs). I never saw anyone fit into so many places and situations. My whole approach to thinking changed because of her.


Was? As in past tense? Is your wife gone? I think it's really cool when people can learn to let go and try on different hats... that's the best part of life, to me... the awakening, the sharing, the old becoming new again...


Yep, she was a light bulb of brilliance and outlooks. My family passed a few years ago.


your family? as in more than one? sorry to hear this... flowerforyou

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Fri 03/15/13 02:00 AM
Sorry if this thread is odd. This last two+ weeks I've been staying in this studio, which is a private one where people actually live. So basically I'm a house guest. At first they put me up in the studio's theatre, but after a couple of days I noticed that they want to use the theatre every night to watch tv. I'm told they never have watched TV in there before just an occasional movie. This was the reason I was put in there. Anyway after those days I asked to be moved to the 3 floor where there are private listening rooms and such. Now the activity has switched to here. I'm watching these people interact and the others that are coming in to do work and noticing how different they all are and how much time they waste in playing games and trying to do things for the sake of doing them and not really to get anything done. So I guess tonight am thinking about how we all have these brain programs that are so different from each other. It's almost like watching a movie on aliens some of the things that happen here.

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Fri 03/15/13 02:05 AM



How else are we supposed to react, mg? You are confusing me... How can we possibly think like others and accept everything they say or do if we weren't raised like them, don't have the same education, or social status, etc... I think the best we all can do is to accept who we are and work with whatever assets we have between our ears to the best of our ability, treating each other with respect and kindness, even if we don't agree with each others ideals.. It really doesn't take rocket science to understand that cultural differences that need deciphering just to make a connection can take some getting used too, if we really like the personality involved and want to keep going back for more... (jmho) As far as your girlfriends spending more for less, are they blonds? Just kidding... it's hard to believe that anyone isn't capable of seeing the basic truth in this issue tho, even if they are women...


Here's what I'm saying. Our up bringing or past dealings have no affect on us unless we give it permission to. I broke out of the program when I was young. Now when people see my brother and sisters together they would have had no idea I was in the same family. Now how did I break out. I just did it. There's a program that gets put in most that fills them with fear and consequences when there really aren't any. But that program of fear over rules the freedom because we let it. We feel we need to hang on to the tape that we think will play. So we never step out. But here's the thing, we're the ones playing the tape.

How many guys and gals are sitting there right now playing the grass is greener tape for example. There's nothing wrong with their marriage but if they keep playing that tape there will be. There are millions of programs people play and when you start looking at them for what they are you start seeing that they are only an illusion we have built. An illusion we defend so we can keep our tapes playing.


Okay, I get the breaking free early, I did the same thing... and was emancipated shortly after my 16th birthday. But the lessons I learned during the years under my parents tutelage still guide some of my decisions and actions. Take for instance the religion they chose for me to learn... even after I became an adult I stayed with the same church because I believe their message more than any other... but could my choice just be prior programming, or is it truly my decision that I based on my own preferences?

Listening to the same tape over and over again would drive me ape shyt... for lack of better terminology... I guess that's why the road less traveled is the one I prefer... life and my existence has to have challenge and variety just to keep me interested, and focused... but I get your point... we make our own beds, and we want to keep sleeping in them, because they are more comfortable and familiar to us. And the only time they get exciting is when we invite someone else to join us there.. but, if we're just a stick in the mud, we won't accept the invitation, and will miss out on the fun we could have had...


Exactly! And to think that everyone has a different program, and believe in it as the right one and everyone must have that one also to be right is a trip to me.

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Fri 03/15/13 02:07 AM






Here's another one that makes no sense to me at all. How many plates does an American need? I go to clients homes and see dishes in their sinks that could be national monuments. I mean there's two people living there and never eat together and the sink overflow-ith. They come to my place and see no dishes in the sink. When by myself I cook and eat out of the cooking pan (nice cooking pans). Then I wash it out and put it back on the stove. How easy is that, but my friends freak out over this.

I have friends that haven't eaten at the diner table for ten years yet it sits there empty. (major program)

So you have a special room for dishes and plates and a beautiful table but you never sit down and actually eat or do anything in that room?


Okay... but stacked up dishes is nasty... and reeks of lazy... and ever since my x-husband took the stove as his part of our divorce agreement, I've cooked only in my microwave... bet I'm nuking myself everyday this way... but, I still get one good meal week, on Sundays, when he still fixes me a feast fit for an x-wife, on that very stove... lol... when we were married, Sunday's were his day to spoil me and he likes to keep up the tradition even now, so I'm not complaining, cuz he's an excellent cook... oops, off topic, where was I... oh yeah... programming is also referred to as tradition, isn't it? Like the table in the dining room that's never used... it's always there just in case we need it... and besides, what would the neighbors think if we didn't have a place to eat holiday feasts together, especially Thanksgiving... it's kinda like Easter.. there's a church on every corner, but most people don't use them anymore accept once or twice a year, on Easter and Christmas... what we call tradition, is also programming.. see??? no?? okay, my bad... slaphead


My wife was exceptional at taking shortcuts, and getting use out of something. There was no wasted space in any of our places and she had a way of turning tradition into something fun and fresh. She was so unconventional and being with her was like an adventure in doing things without problems (programs). I never saw anyone fit into so many places and situations. My whole approach to thinking changed because of her.


Was? As in past tense? Is your wife gone? I think it's really cool when people can learn to let go and try on different hats... that's the best part of life, to me... the awakening, the sharing, the old becoming new again...


Yep, she was a light bulb of brilliance and outlooks. My family passed a few years ago.


your family? as in more than one? sorry to hear this... flowerforyou


Yep, Mia and Asa. My wife and baby. "Happy thoughts", she would say.

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Fri 03/15/13 02:08 AM




How else are we supposed to react, mg? You are confusing me... How can we possibly think like others and accept everything they say or do if we weren't raised like them, don't have the same education, or social status, etc... I think the best we all can do is to accept who we are and work with whatever assets we have between our ears to the best of our ability, treating each other with respect and kindness, even if we don't agree with each others ideals.. It really doesn't take rocket science to understand that cultural differences that need deciphering just to make a connection can take some getting used too, if we really like the personality involved and want to keep going back for more... (jmho) As far as your girlfriends spending more for less, are they blonds? Just kidding... it's hard to believe that anyone isn't capable of seeing the basic truth in this issue tho, even if they are women...


Here's what I'm saying. Our up bringing or past dealings have no affect on us unless we give it permission to. I broke out of the program when I was young. Now when people see my brother and sisters together they would have had no idea I was in the same family. Now how did I break out. I just did it. There's a program that gets put in most that fills them with fear and consequences when there really aren't any. But that program of fear over rules the freedom because we let it. We feel we need to hang on to the tape that we think will play. So we never step out. But here's the thing, we're the ones playing the tape.

How many guys and gals are sitting there right now playing the grass is greener tape for example. There's nothing wrong with their marriage but if they keep playing that tape there will be. There are millions of programs people play and when you start looking at them for what they are you start seeing that they are only an illusion we have built. An illusion we defend so we can keep our tapes playing.


Okay, I get the breaking free early, I did the same thing... and was emancipated shortly after my 16th birthday. But the lessons I learned during the years under my parents tutelage still guide some of my decisions and actions. Take for instance the religion they chose for me to learn... even after I became an adult I stayed with the same church because I believe their message more than any other... but could my choice just be prior programming, or is it truly my decision that I based on my own preferences?

Listening to the same tape over and over again would drive me ape shyt... for lack of better terminology... I guess that's why the road less traveled is the one I prefer... life and my existence has to have challenge and variety just to keep me interested, and focused... but I get your point... we make our own beds, and we want to keep sleeping in them, because they are more comfortable and familiar to us. And the only time they get exciting is when we invite someone else to join us there.. but, if we're just a stick in the mud, we won't accept the invitation, and will miss out on the fun we could have had...


Exactly! And to think that everyone has a different program, and believe in it as the right one and everyone must have that one also to be right is a trip to me.


it is mind boggling, that's for sure..

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