Topic: How We Will Live Forever Beginning In Twenty Years
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Fri 03/01/13 06:51 AM


The problem with extending life is that you'll just be old longer. Who'd want that?
No, see that's the great part of human aging. The process of aging IS what kills you.

The process would be what would need to be reversed.

ie, if they succeed you would literally be "young" for as long as the method continued to work.


The most attractive thing about being young is discovery. Learning about life and creating who you are. After you've done everything and been everywhere, then what? Once that part is over and you fully understand the rules, you're just coasting.

Immortality would consist largely of boredom.

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Fri 03/01/13 08:10 AM

Mankind has already passed the point of using sustainable resources on this planet. Without death, the problem will accelerate. We have already eaten most of the fish in the sea. New England cod fishing was reduced 75% this week because the stocks cannot recover. Tuna is almost gone. Global warming is moving the grain belts North.

We are in big trouble.

Don’t know about that. Now certain things we may mine in outer space but humans have a thing for increasing our food supply. Think about it, the more chicken hawks, the fewer chickens but the more humans, there are more chickens. When we farm stuff, there ends up to be a surplus then leaving it in the wild. Farming helped brought the buffalo back, due to the fact they allow ranchers to own the buffalo.

They are now doing similar things in other countries to save animals, especially from poachers. Some countries in Africa are allowing tribes to profit from control hunts and tours. Before the tribe would support a poacher because the wild life was destroying their crops and farm animals. Now that the tribes are legally making a living off of the control hunts and tours, they are more incline to protect the animals.

People are now opening all types of green house, even on top of building in major cities. Even place like Disney uses hydroponics to grow most of the food they use. Fish and grain farms have open up in deserts because of new technology. People are even opening farms in the ocean for fish like tuna, which will increase the number of fish, healthy and environmentally friendly.

Now things left to the wild or in commons get used up quickly when it is open for anyone to use. This is why the rain forest gets strip and everything is up for grabs. The communal property in which everyone shares cause things to run out quickly. This is why the buffalo was being killed off. Everyone wants to get theirs before someone else does. Which leads to high level of poaching.

The key is if you want to save animals and planets, farm it. Farmers are inclined to grow animals and crops and make sure that both reproduce so they have some for next year, and the fallowing years.

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Fri 03/01/13 08:26 AM



The problem with extending life is that you'll just be old longer. Who'd want that?
No, see that's the great part of human aging. The process of aging IS what kills you.

The process would be what would need to be reversed.

ie, if they succeed you would literally be "young" for as long as the method continued to work.


The most attractive thing about being young is discovery. Learning about life and creating who you are. After you've done everything and been everywhere, then what? Once that part is over and you fully understand the rules, you're just coasting.

Immortality would consist largely of boredom.
Yes and no. It is true that if you live longer you may get board but at the same time there is more and more stuff to do. Just think you might get to try your hand at a few different careers that you may have wanted to try. You could be a cook for 30 years, then go back to school for 10 years and get a doctors degree. Treat people for another 25 years. Then get another job someplace else for 10 more years and then spend a few years doing what ever you want from the money you save. When you are done, you can get another job.

The down side would be that you out live all you love ones. That would be the worst part.

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Fri 03/01/13 10:08 AM

Yes and no. It is true that if you live longer you may get board but at the same time there is more and more stuff to do. Just think you might get to try your hand at a few different careers that you may have wanted to try. You could be a cook for 30 years, then go back to school for 10 years and get a doctors degree. Treat people for another 25 years. Then get another job someplace else for 10 more years and then spend a few years doing what ever you want from the money you save. When you are done, you can get another job.

The down side would be that you out live all you love ones. That would be the worst part.


That's what I'm saying. I'm sure eventually I would get bored, maybe so bored I would kill myself. But I'm pretty sure I could live for at least 500 years without getting bored. I'd do so much! I'd study all the sciences, I'd work for a decade each in a dozen different careers, move every few decades and live all over the planet, I'd learn dozens of languages and read all the classic literature in its original language... there is so much to do!

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Fri 03/01/13 11:25 AM


Yes and no. It is true that if you live longer you may get board but at the same time there is more and more stuff to do. Just think you might get to try your hand at a few different careers that you may have wanted to try. You could be a cook for 30 years, then go back to school for 10 years and get a doctors degree. Treat people for another 25 years. Then get another job someplace else for 10 more years and then spend a few years doing what ever you want from the money you save. When you are done, you can get another job.

The down side would be that you out live all you love ones. That would be the worst part.


That's what I'm saying. I'm sure eventually I would get bored, maybe so bored I would kill myself. But I'm pretty sure I could live for at least 500 years without getting bored. I'd do so much! I'd study all the sciences, I'd work for a decade each in a dozen different careers, move every few decades and live all over the planet, I'd learn dozens of languages and read all the classic literature in its original language... there is so much to do!



I could live forever and never get bored.


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Fri 03/01/13 11:32 AM
Edited by 1Cynderella on Fri 03/01/13 11:32 AM



Yes and no. It is true that if you live longer you may get board but at the same time there is more and more stuff to do. Just think you might get to try your hand at a few different careers that you may have wanted to try. You could be a cook for 30 years, then go back to school for 10 years and get a doctors degree. Treat people for another 25 years. Then get another job someplace else for 10 more years and then spend a few years doing what ever you want from the money you save. When you are done, you can get another job.

The down side would be that you out live all you love ones. That would be the worst part.


That's what I'm saying. I'm sure eventually I would get bored, maybe so bored I would kill myself. But I'm pretty sure I could live for at least 500 years without getting bored. I'd do so much! I'd study all the sciences, I'd work for a decade each in a dozen different careers, move every few decades and live all over the planet, I'd learn dozens of languages and read all the classic literature in its original language... there is so much to do!



I could live forever and never get bored.




If I'm just fantisizing about it, I’m with you. I would be like Bill Murray in “Groundhog Day”. I would have time to learn to do, well, eventually EVERYTHING! :banana:

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Fri 03/01/13 12:01 PM




Yes and no. It is true that if you live longer you may get board but at the same time there is more and more stuff to do. Just think you might get to try your hand at a few different careers that you may have wanted to try. You could be a cook for 30 years, then go back to school for 10 years and get a doctors degree. Treat people for another 25 years. Then get another job someplace else for 10 more years and then spend a few years doing what ever you want from the money you save. When you are done, you can get another job.

The down side would be that you out live all you love ones. That would be the worst part.


That's what I'm saying. I'm sure eventually I would get bored, maybe so bored I would kill myself. But I'm pretty sure I could live for at least 500 years without getting bored. I'd do so much! I'd study all the sciences, I'd work for a decade each in a dozen different careers, move every few decades and live all over the planet, I'd learn dozens of languages and read all the classic literature in its original language... there is so much to do!



I could live forever and never get bored.




If I'm just fantisizing about it, I’m with you. I would be like Bill Murray in “Groundhog Day”. I would have time to learn to do, well, eventually EVERYTHING! :banana:


Yes that was a nice example. He learned to play the piano, become an ice sculpture, became a doctor, etc. He must have been trapped in that one day for a very long time.

In reality going from that to the next day where he did not know the future would have been kind of scary.



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Fri 03/01/13 01:47 PM
Groundhog day is a good example of what it might be like. But, you'd eventually become so good at everything that there's no more challenge. That's when it starts getting dull.

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Fri 03/01/13 02:35 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 03/01/13 02:36 PM

Groundhog day is a good example of what it might be like. But, you'd eventually become so good at everything that there's no more challenge. That's when it starts getting dull.


Then use your imagination, go to other worlds, create something. Create a universe.

My theory is that God got bored and that is why he (it) created death.

Universes with limited time.

Then, he incarnated into them to play the game.

And split himself into all of us.

We are god.

We created this world ourselves because we (as God) were bored.

To make things more interesting we gave some of the creatures free will.



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Fri 03/01/13 04:34 PM
Edited by willing2 on Fri 03/01/13 04:42 PM
Thalamus. AKA, The seat of the soul.



Keep that and the brain alive with all the nutrients it needs to survive along with an intact spine. Viola! Life can be renewed.

Transplanted into an acceptable host body and the brain will retain the soul and memories it was born with.


Humans are wired like a truck. Connect the wiring back right and I could see a normally functioning human.

Another good read.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/electric-brain.html

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Fri 03/01/13 05:58 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 03/01/13 06:15 PM

Thalamus. AKA, The seat of the soul.



Keep that and the brain alive with all the nutrients it needs to survive along with an intact spine. Viola! Life can be renewed.

Transplanted into an acceptable host body and the brain will retain the soul and memories it was born with.


Humans are wired like a truck. Connect the wiring back right and I could see a normally functioning human.

Another good read.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/electric-brain.html


I don't know wrote the stuff in the article you linked to but I can't agree with most of it.

for one thing:
Some people believe we are something beyond neurons, but of course we are not. We are just the sum total of the activity of neurons. We assume that we have free will and that we make decisions, but we don't. Neurons do. We decide that this sum total driving us is a decision we have made for ourselves. But it is not.


(Note how he said above... "We decide that this sum total..."

He is saying that 'we' as a whole entity don't make decisions -- but yet our "neurons" do. laugh laugh :tongue:

He also says:
"We assume we have free will, but we don't"

That's another crock.huh

Here is another thing he wrote which is partly true, but not the whole story. It is about "levels" of consciousness but he draws a line between plants and animals. In "primitive animals" He calls it
"primitive sensation, or irritability and primitive movement."

(Question: Why and where exactly can you draw that line? )

Also, Consciousness is not "the sum of perceptions." I talked extensively about this subject in another thread.

I have to say I disagree with his beliefs and conclusions on many counts.

(Snippet below)


How does consciousness come into this view of the brain? Is consciousness a mysterious phenomenon, in your opinion?

I don't think so. I think consciousness is the sum of perceptions, which you must put together as a single event. I seriously believe that consciousness does not belong only to humans; it belongs to probably all forms of life that have a nervous system. The issue is the level of consciousness. Maybe in the very primitive animals, in which cells did not have a single systemic property—in which each cell was a little island, if you wish—there may not have been consciousness, just , primitive sensation, or irritability and primitive movement . But as soon as cells talked to one another there would be a consensus. This is basically what consciousness is about—putting all this relevant stuff there is outside one's head inside, making an image with it, and deciding what to do. In order to make a decision you have to have a consensus.



What he seems to be saying is "decisions" are made via a consensus of a group of cells and neurons who "make a decision."

He says "in order to make a decision you have to have a consensus." Yes he is right. I have always said that our body, mind and soul is a group consciousness all working together.

But how does that equal the idea or conclusion that we have no "free will?" Somewhere A DECISION IS MADE. He has not identified exactly when or where that decision has been made. Any particular neuron in charge? laugh

Of course you have to now define what "we" are.

Are we our body, or our mind? Are we all of our cells and neurons together? What are we?

Why did "we" evolve all of these senses in order to perceive our environment and how did "we" manage that if "we" are not vaguely conscious to begin with?


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Fri 03/01/13 06:42 PM


Groundhog day is a good example of what it might be like. But, you'd eventually become so good at everything that there's no more challenge. That's when it starts getting dull.


Then use your imagination, go to other worlds, create something. Create a universe.

My theory is that God got bored and that is why he (it) created death.

Universes with limited time.

Then, he incarnated into them to play the game.

And split himself into all of us.

We are god.

We created this world ourselves because we (as God) were bored.

To make things more interesting we gave some of the creatures free will.


Did you use a lot of drugs in your youth?

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Fri 03/01/13 07:52 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 03/01/13 07:52 PM



Groundhog day is a good example of what it might be like. But, you'd eventually become so good at everything that there's no more challenge. That's when it starts getting dull.


Then use your imagination, go to other worlds, create something. Create a universe.

My theory is that God got bored and that is why he (it) created death.

Universes with limited time.

Then, he incarnated into them to play the game.

And split himself into all of us.

We are god.

We created this world ourselves because we (as God) were bored.

To make things more interesting we gave some of the creatures free will.


Did you use a lot of drugs in your youth?



Absolutely not. Although I did know people who were enlightened after taking acid. I never did acid though.

I meditated and did yoga some.


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Fri 03/01/13 09:25 PM

Groundhog day is a good example of what it might be like. But, you'd eventually become so good at everything that there's no more challenge. That's when it starts getting dull.


Yep. I think most people would eventually suicide...or worse, live for eons wishing they had the gumption to suicide.


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Fri 03/01/13 09:54 PM


Groundhog day is a good example of what it might be like. But, you'd eventually become so good at everything that there's no more challenge. That's when it starts getting dull.


Yep. I think most people would eventually suicide...or worse, live for eons wishing they had the gumption to suicide.




I seriously don't understand that mentality.

Who would prefer death over life?

How depressing.

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Sat 03/02/13 06:57 AM
Our short life spans may be the reason why our culture has quickly changed over a few years. If we lived to be thousands of years, culture may slowly change. We would not be in any here to do something.

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Sat 03/02/13 08:34 AM

Our short life spans may be the reason why our culture has quickly changed over a few years. If we lived to be thousands of years, culture may slowly change. We would not be in any here to do something.

I don't know. I would think that if Steve Jobs, and other innovative thinkers of the world, had a greater number of years at the drawing board, their accumulated thoughts and experiences would reach further all the faster. Not to mention that our students would be taught from a wider knowledge base by instructors who are teaching from longer and broader experiences themselves.

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Sat 03/02/13 01:51 PM


Our short life spans may be the reason why our culture has quickly changed over a few years. If we lived to be thousands of years, culture may slowly change. We would not be in any here to do something.

I don't know. I would think that if Steve Jobs, and other innovative thinkers of the world, had a greater number of years at the drawing board, their accumulated thoughts and experiences would reach further all the faster. Not to mention that our students would be taught from a wider knowledge base by instructors who are teaching from longer and broader experiences themselves.
I think they said the reason Steve Jobs wanted to do so much was because of the fear of death.

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Sat 03/02/13 02:11 PM
Edited by 1Cynderella on Sat 03/02/13 02:12 PM



Our short life spans may be the reason why our culture has quickly changed over a few years. If we lived to be thousands of years, culture may slowly change. We would not be in any here to do something.

I don't know. I would think that if Steve Jobs, and other innovative thinkers of the world, had a greater number of years at the drawing board, their accumulated thoughts and experiences would reach further all the faster. Not to mention that our students would be taught from a wider knowledge base by instructors who are teaching from longer and broader experiences themselves.
I think they said the reason Steve Jobs wanted to do so much was because of the fear of death.

I'm just one of those people who knows there is not enough time in my 60 active years to do everything I would like to do. I'm making a good go of it though. I suppose that what you DO do is all the more special because of life's limits. Glass half full and all. :tongue:

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Sun 03/03/13 12:47 PM
So who will get to decide who lives forever or at least twice as long as we do now?

We already read these conspiracy theories regarding the illuminati and how they plan to reduce the population

Something to think about anyways