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if you don't think he govt would do such things... This is often brought up, but in all the years I've been reading 9/11 CT's and the associated debunking, I've never seen anyone actually state otherwise. ...search 'northwood' from the kennedy era This is often used as some form of justification by CT'ers, but it doesn't make it a priori that 9/11 CT's are probable owing to the existence of Northwood. Using that as an example it only serves to introduce it as a possibility, but the evidence of scale (logistics etc.) and the flawed logic within the initial premise tend to render most hypotheses posited rather specious at best, and that is before one mentions those that are obviously ridiculous. if northwood would have succeeded you would have the same thing as with 9/11 it just hogwash made up by c/t'ers |
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if you don't think he govt would do such things search northwood from the kennedy era  Not one ever happened! False Logic! Government needs Trust from it's Citizens,not Dis-trust. Government is like a Confidence-Trickster! Worst thing it can do is make the Mark suspicious,and those "Conspiracies" actually would defeat the whole purpose! Enough Opportunities will present themselves,without having to create any artificial ones! Uncle Rahm put it nicely,"Never Let Any Good Crisis Go To Waste"! Now,where has my ALU-Beret went to?  using that logic you must be loyal to britain |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Wed 01/09/13 04:27 PM
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if you don't think he govt would do such things search northwood from the kennedy era Not one ever happened! False Logic! Government needs Trust from it's Citizens,not Dis-trust. Government is like a Confidence-Trickster! Worst thing it can do is make the Mark suspicious,and those "Conspiracies" actually would defeat the whole purpose! Enough Opportunities will present themselves,without having to create any artificial ones! Uncle Rahm put it nicely,"Never Let Any Good Crisis Go To Waste"! Now,where has my ALU-Beret went to? Conrad you are right. The GOVERNMENT needs trust from it's citizens not Dis-trust. This is a crucial thing to remember. But we are not actually dealing with the government we are dealing with an unseen enemy within the government... the globalist mafia with a new world order agenda. This mafia WANTS US TO DISTRUST the government and wants us to destroy it. This mafia wants to destroy America and its government so it has infiltrated it and is destroying it from WITHIN. This is what most people don't understand. A bill is being introduced that will extend the term limit for the President. They want a dictator. Bills are being introduced to take our guns. They want a dictator. without someone like McNamara to blow the whistle how do you know the govt does not need our trust it is every citizens responsibility to hold the govt accountable for its actions you can not do that with blind trust go read the what i posted about the second amendment in gun registration thread if you want a better explanation http://mingle2.com/topic/show/343749?page=6 |
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Edited by
Troubled
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Wed 01/09/13 04:32 PM
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Yeah, yeah...in the real world (thankfully), questionable prosopography does not prove a conspiracy. No-one has, as yet 'proven' (I use the word in its true sense) any conspiracy. If the so-called 'evidence' is enough to build a case, why haven't there been any indictments? No exposees (apart from dodgy youtube clips, and sensationalist websites and blogs)? As for motive, there are plenty of motives and the 1993 WTC bombing, The USS Cole & the Embassy bombings all demonstrate a pattern of Qutbist 'reprisals', but I suppose these are just handwaved away as false flag attempts, or setups for 9/11. Maybe they happened in isolation in another universe or some such? One man's claims that lack any form of corroboration do not prove a conspiracy. It'll sell a few books, though and that's about it. Any racist underestimation of Al-Qaeda's capabilities just sound feeble. I know the answer from the CT'ers is that there is a Cabal/NWO/Royal Family/Illuminati/Star Chamber/Reptilian/Bilderberg/Media (insert this week's fashionable body to hate) cover-up, but that's stretching credibility beyond anything remotely terrestrial (or sane). At the end of the day, the video does not prove 9/11 was a conspiracy or anything remotely resembling one. And the official story about 911 can't be proved by anyone either. Why is our Government unwilling or unable to conduct an investigation that is even remotely accurate. |
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Conspiracy would not have to be proven or even claimed. Evidence and facts that so many people would have to show that a crime was even committed would be impossible to cover up. At some point a leak would have to occur and the dam would break whether one is above the law or not. Seems after all of these years and the number of people that would have to be involved, a tiny fragment of real, believable evidence would have been leaked. I'm open to believe any thing that is believable but so far the greater odds are against anything other than 911 being a terrorist attack.
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Conspiracy would not have to be proven or even claimed. Evidence and facts that so many people would have to show that a crime was even committed would be impossible to cover up. At some point a leak would have to occur and the dam would break whether one is above the law or not. Seems after all of these years and the number of people that would have to be involved, a tiny fragment of real, believable evidence would have been leaked. I'm open to believe any thing that is believable but so far the greater odds are against anything other than 911 being a terrorist attack. That is exactly my point with the 911 commission report. Totally unbelievable evidence. The Government spent less on that investigation than they do on paper clips. |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Wed 01/09/13 05:19 PM
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In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy. You only have to know two things. One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs. It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/ You neglected to mention the other highly improbable aspect of 9/11. After a total failure demonstrating the absolute incompetence of the entire government/intelligence/military apparatus of the mightiest country on the planet, that same apparatus immediately snapped into action to demonstrate their brilliant competence and flawlessly figured out within a few hours exactly who did it, how it was done and where to go to get the perps...Not for arrest and trial of course (too many messy questions & no evidence)...just for "revenge"...an international lynch mob. |
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Conspiracy would not have to be proven or even claimed. Evidence and facts that so many people would have to show that a crime was even committed would be impossible to cover up. At some point a leak would have to occur and the dam would break whether one is above the law or not. Seems after all of these years and the number of people that would have to be involved, a tiny fragment of real, believable evidence would have been leaked. I'm open to believe any thing that is believable but so far the greater odds are against anything other than 911 being a terrorist attack. Oh, it was definitely a "terrorist" attack. But who are the real terrorists? This is STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM at its finest, with full cooperation of the State controlled Media whores. |
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Conspiracy would not have to be proven or even claimed. Evidence and facts that so many people would have to show that a crime was even committed would be impossible to cover up. At some point a leak would have to occur and the dam would break whether one is above the law or not. Seems after all of these years and the number of people that would have to be involved, a tiny fragment of real, believable evidence would have been leaked. I'm open to believe any thing that is believable but so far the greater odds are against anything other than 911 being a terrorist attack. Oh, it was definitely a "terrorist" attack. But who are the real terrorists? This is STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM at its finest, with full cooperation of the State controlled Media whores. and the evidence is? |
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Edited by
JustDukkyMkII
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Wed 01/09/13 05:39 PM
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Conspiracy would not have to be proven or even claimed. Evidence and facts that so many people would have to show that a crime was even committed would be impossible to cover up. At some point a leak would have to occur and the dam would break whether one is above the law or not. Seems after all of these years and the number of people that would have to be involved, a tiny fragment of real, believable evidence would have been leaked. I'm open to believe any thing that is believable but so far the greater odds are against anything other than 911 being a terrorist attack. Oh, it was definitely a "terrorist" attack. But who are the real terrorists? This is STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM at its finest, with full cooperation of the State controlled Media whores. Nein nein nein...Yu haff itt all wrong!...Vee haff to take szee gunss avay frum all zose nasty killersz, criminalsz undt terroristsz zat vant to hurt you. Vunce ve are ze only vunsz mit gunsz, you vill be zafe...Vee vill proteckt you undt kill all ze terroristsz undt arrest all ze criminalsz undt put zem into campsz verr zay can help pay down ze national debt undt can't hurdt anyvun anymore. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 01/09/13 05:46 PM
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Conspiracy would not have to be proven or even claimed. Evidence and facts that so many people would have to show that a crime was even committed would be impossible to cover up. At some point a leak would have to occur and the dam would break whether one is above the law or not. Seems after all of these years and the number of people that would have to be involved, a tiny fragment of real, believable evidence would have been leaked. I'm open to believe any thing that is believable but so far the greater odds are against anything other than 911 being a terrorist attack. Oh, it was definitely a "terrorist" attack. But who are the real terrorists? This is STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM at its finest, with full cooperation of the State controlled Media whores. and the evidence is? There is TONS OF EVIDENCE when you begin to understand how the central banks work and how much trouble they are in. They have sold trillions of dollars of derivative (contracts) for goods that they can not deliver. (Gold and silver and other things). Do you know anything about the Libor scandal? Do you know how the bankers are stealing gold and other assets from people? Did you watch the video? That video barely touches on some of the players. There are a long list of books and links under that video that you can read if you really want to know. But you want me to show you "evidence?" I have been watching these things for ten years and only very loosely, not even like some investigative reporters, and it is very easy to put it all together. Also, I just know a LIE WHEN I hear one. It is not my job to dig and dig and then attempt to convince anyone with "evidence" or "proof." If I could do that, then I would probably be dead like everyone else who poses a threat to the global mafia. Study this and learn who the enemy is: http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html |
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How many people still do not realize that Al-Qaeda was a creation of the CIA? How many people still think Al-Qaeda is the enemy? How many people don't realize that our CIA is funding and working with mercenaries (and they call them Al-Qaeda) to de-stabilize Syria?
Al-Qaeda is not the enemy. It is a fabrication and an imaginary enemy. The only terrorist are the ones funded by the globalist Mafia. |
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Conspiracy would not have to be proven or even claimed. Evidence and facts that so many people would have to show that a crime was even committed would be impossible to cover up. At some point a leak would have to occur and the dam would break whether one is above the law or not. Seems after all of these years and the number of people that would have to be involved, a tiny fragment of real, believable evidence would have been leaked. I'm open to believe any thing that is believable but so far the greater odds are against anything other than 911 being a terrorist attack. Oh, it was definitely a "terrorist" attack. But who are the real terrorists? This is STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM at its finest, with full cooperation of the State controlled Media whores. and the evidence is? There is TONS OF EVIDENCE when you begin to understand how the central banks work and how much trouble they are in. They have sold trillions of dollars of derivative (contracts) for goods that they can not deliver. (Gold and silver and other things). Do you know anything about the Libor scandal? Do you know how the bankers are stealing gold and other assets from people? Did you watch the video? That video barely touches on some of the players. There are a long list of books and links under that video that you can read if you really want to know. But you want me to show you "evidence?" I have been watching these things for ten years and only very loosely, not even like some investigative reporters, and it is very easy to put it all together. Also, I just know a LIE WHEN I hear one. It is not my job to dig and dig and then attempt to convince anyone with "evidence" or "proof." If I could do that, then I would probably be dead like everyone else who poses a threat to the global mafia. Well, it seems that there is nothing that can be done to save us from the Globalist Mafia. We are powerless to stop them. Thanks anyway. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 01/09/13 05:56 PM
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Stop feeding the beast. Stop paying taxes. Stop using the central banks. Buy physical gold and silver.
There is plenty you can do. Stop believing the Media whores. Don't give up your guns. Find out the truth and spread the information. Information is their worst enemy. Expose them for what they are. Study this and learn who the enemy is: http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Wed 01/09/13 06:35 PM
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There would be CT's no matter what the government, or any independent body produced, so why bother trying to disprove them? Any evidence would be disregarded without consideration as merely being another facet of the coverup. A lot of CTer's are not rational individuals. You can see the same pattern with those that consider the Apollo Program as a hoax. Plenty of evidence is available, but they refuse to acknowledge its validity. Al Capone refused to acknowledge that he didn't pay his income tax properly, but he would have been untouchable if he had never been arrested & dragged into court. Just because some people may have placed themselves "above" the law, is no reason not to do some proper detective work to build a prima facie case, then arrest them & put them on trial. If it can't be "proved" beyond a reasonable doubt that they "did it", then they have nothing to fear from a fair trial because they will be acquitted, just like O.J, was...So what are they worried about? If they didn't do it, they have nothing to fear and a trial could exonerate them in the eyes of the public. I'm sorry, but in light of my post, that doesn't make any sense. Even if Richard Gage or any other truther could gather enough evidence to bring anybody to trial, and the defendants were subsequently acquitted owing to the defense (hypothetically), no truther would believe the outcome anyway, so why bother in the first place? This scenario is ridiculous from the outset as not enough evidence has been presented over the last decade to initiate legal proceedings in the first place. I've said this before that if the truther movement has the evidence to back up its slander and libel as they claim they have, why don't they raise the funds to initiate legal proceedings against the individuals they're so keen to accuse? |
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if you don't think he govt would do such things... This is often brought up, but in all the years I've been reading 9/11 CT's and the associated debunking, I've never seen anyone actually state otherwise. ...search 'northwood' from the kennedy era This is often used as some form of justification by CT'ers, but it doesn't make it a priori that 9/11 CT's are probable owing to the existence of Northwood. Using that as an example it only serves to introduce it as a possibility, but the evidence of scale (logistics etc.) and the flawed logic within the initial premise tend to render most hypotheses posited rather specious at best, and that is before one mentions those that are obviously ridiculous. if northwood would have succeeded you would have the same thing as with 9/11 it just hogwash made up by c/t'ers And again: "...but it doesn't make it a priori that 9/11 CT's are probable owing to the existence of Northwood." |
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Edited by
HotRodDeluxe
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Wed 01/09/13 06:54 PM
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Yeah, yeah...in the real world (thankfully), questionable prosopography does not prove a conspiracy. No-one has, as yet 'proven' (I use the word in its true sense) any conspiracy. If the so-called 'evidence' is enough to build a case, why haven't there been any indictments? No exposees (apart from dodgy youtube clips, and sensationalist websites and blogs)? As for motive, there are plenty of motives and the 1993 WTC bombing, The USS Cole & the Embassy bombings all demonstrate a pattern of Qutbist 'reprisals', but I suppose these are just handwaved away as false flag attempts, or setups for 9/11. Maybe they happened in isolation in another universe or some such? One man's claims that lack any form of corroboration do not prove a conspiracy. It'll sell a few books, though and that's about it. Any racist underestimation of Al-Qaeda's capabilities just sound feeble. I know the answer from the CT'ers is that there is a Cabal/NWO/Royal Family/Illuminati/Star Chamber/Reptilian/Bilderberg/Media (insert this week's fashionable body to hate) cover-up, but that's stretching credibility beyond anything remotely terrestrial (or sane). At the end of the day, the video does not prove 9/11 was a conspiracy or anything remotely resembling one. And the official story about 911 can't be proved by anyone either. Not exactly true, but there is no point in arguing about it on this forum, for one just gets shouted down by irrational rants. Moreover, that the official story can't be proven to the satisfaction of some individuals, is it a priori that some irrational alternative must be the explanation? No, but suffice it to say, that no credible alternative has ever been offered that has sufficient evidence to be taken seriously. All alternative hypotheses are founded upon prejudice and the conclusions are reached prior to any examination of evidence, which is then used carelessly (and dishonestly in some cases) in order to provide a half baked justification for the conclusion. Why is our Government unwilling or unable to conduct an investigation that is even remotely accurate. Well, my later post might give you a clue: "There would be CT's no matter what the government, or any independent body produced, so why bother trying to disprove them? Any evidence would be disregarded without consideration as merely being another facet of the coverup. A lot of CTer's are not rational individuals. You can see the same pattern with those that consider the Apollo Program as a hoax. Plenty of evidence is available, but they refuse to acknowledge its validity. |
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Not exactly true, but there is no point in arguing about it. 
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Edited by
alleoops
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Wed 01/09/13 06:59 PM
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Stop feeding the beast. Stop paying taxes. Stop using the central banks. Buy physical gold and silver. There is plenty you can do. Stop believing the Media whores. Don't give up your guns. Find out the truth and spread the information. Information is their worst enemy. Expose them for what they are. Study this and learn who the enemy is: http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html Life's too short for worring about things one can't control. I think for now I'll just have a good time and a laugh. Bartender! 
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Stop feeding the beast. Stop paying taxes. Stop using the central banks. Buy physical gold and silver. There is plenty you can do. Stop believing the Media whores. Don't give up your guns. Find out the truth and spread the information. Information is their worst enemy. Expose them for what they are. Study this and learn who the enemy is: http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html Life's too short for worring about things one can't control. I think for now I'll just have a good time and a laugh. Bartender! We can all do our small part. But I agree. |
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