Everyone is missing the point here. What I'm referring to is the laws that this administration has passed such as the government can arrest anybody they want and hold them for as long as they want and not have to charge them with anything. That's loss of freedom.

seems guantanamo bay was doing that long before THIS administration,,

which law is that exactly?

seems guantanamo bay was doing that long before THIS administration,,,,,and I wouldnt imagine it was the only such facility under US authority

chinese internment camps ring a bell? was that this administration?

so tell me again, how we are suddenly, under THIS administration,, less free than before?

You don't pay much attention to the news do you.

President Obama assumed office in January of 2009 and pledged to close the GITMO facility after assuming office. Despite signing an executive order to close the detention facility within an year, President Obama was unable to find countries to take the detainees, and unable to close the facility.

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Issues/Guantanamo_Bay/

Everyone is missing the point here. What I'm referring to is the laws that this administration has passed such as the government can arrest anybody they want and hold them for as long as they want and not have to charge them with anything. That's loss of freedom.

In other words, it is easy for a political candidate to make campaign promises before actually entering a particular public office.

up until 1969, blacks were not 'free' to do many t hings others have been allowed to do since the countrys founding?

how are blacks now 'less free' than they were in the past?

'freedom' isnt equated by whether someones right to do the 'same' is stepped on

its whether ANY OF THEIR rights are stepped on in the process

and then there is that pesky old debate of defining what things are actually 'rights',,,other than the very vague

life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness described in our declaration of independence

it seems like things happen to minorities (point of reference: minority is not a race and does not refer to race) throughout history in this country and thats not qualified as the least 'free' times, indeed the majority believe those times to be grand and quite 'free' for them,

but let restraints or laws affect the demographic of the majority and its the end of the world

too bad school doesnt teach that a candidate cant keep any promises that are dependent in any significant way on the participation of others

By the REAL LAW, the black people were always free; they just had to fight the tyranny of the white majority tooth & nail to get their freedom & equality under the law recognized. You can be thankful that you had men of the calibre of MLK to lead that fight.



They aren't, however, in general they have joined the white people in the equality of slavery now visited upon everyone. Unfortunately, there are very few who recognize that the country has become a plantation that serves its banking master.

"There are none so enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

One possible exception to this might be the Black Panthers. They seem to have an instinctive knowledge that they are free and are willing to fight in the cause of it.



Correct. It is the old inch/mile principle. If you surrender ANY of your rights to a tyrant, you will soon find you have lost them ALL.

Rights, by their very nature, come with duties. Perhaps the greatest duty of all is to ensure that those rights are there for EVERYONE. Throughout history this has entailed much bloodshed, as time after time, people lose their rights and must then fight and die to regain them. In the words of a slave-owning white man from your past:

"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Until we finally learn to fight for and preserve EVERYONE's rights and not just our own, the price of freedom will always be measured in gallons of blood.



Forget all that written crap. The law is very simple. Every reasonable human being knows the law. We are paractically born with the knowledge of what is right & wrong & fair & unfair. This is the innate knowledge of natural law that is coded into the human genes. To put it into its simplest terms, you have the right to do as or claim what you please, so long as your deeds & claims do not infringe on the right of another. Put yet another way for clarity, You have the right to do as you please, so long as you do no harm. (As always that right comes with the duty to respect and honour that right for everyone.)

All the written law in the world is based on this simple principle and any "law" that is not in accord with it, while "legal", is not lawful & therefore should be rescinded or repealed. Legal slavery is a good example of what was once thought to be lawful (because slaves were not considered "men"), and a the "tradition" of slavery stretched back for eons.

Only in the last couple of hundred years did people realize the "law" was unlawful and create positive laws to prohibit involuntary servitude. (Too bad they didn't prohibit "ignorant" servitude, because that's how banks & governments get around the anti-slavery laws).

The constitution doesn't define your rights (you were BORN with them) it only enumerates some of them by enshrining them on paper so your government doesn't forget some of the more important ones.



Societies have always been based on the "democratic" principle of the majority rule, also known as the tyranny of the majority. That's what makes the idea of a republic so appealing. The vote of millions cannot lawfully trample on the right of even one man.



Too bad for the majority…In a republic the rule of law is paramount, and the law will prevail. A true republic is ruled by law, not by men.



Too bad school doesn't teach the potential candidates not to lie to the people and make promises they know they won't keep, just for the sake of getting elected.

In my view, any elected politician that doesn't fulfil his campaign promises should be impeached and tried for fraud.

It fluctuates just like this country always has, it is no worse now than the 30's...It is just harder because we aren't reading about it in a historical context.

We just don't like living through the smudges of our country's beleaguered history over again...But we will always do this dance, every society does.

as I have stated many times before, I can probably count on one hand how many times I have heard a candidate use the word 'promise' in attachment to creating a law or changing a law,,,,


but people dont want to hear a candidate constantly say they will 'try', its not 'leadership' language

even though its the only promise any politician can make
being no one politician is the whole government,,,or has the full authority to do much of anything on their own,,,

In that case, they should be impeached and charged with breach of promise (civilly) and possibly criminal fraud if it can be shown that the breach was intentional. The law looks very dimly on that. An intentional breach of promise is called fraud, and is a punishable criminal offence, an unintentional breach only leaves one open to a civil suit by the injured party(s) for monetary damages resulting from it.

It fluctuates just like this country always has, it is no worse now than the 30's...It is just harder because we aren't reading about it in a historical context.

We just don't like living through the smudges of our country's beleaguered history over again...But we will always do this dance, every society does.

America used to be a free country. Sadly it's not anymore.

We were on our way at one point... It almost seems as though people don't want it now. Not having to be responsible and enjoying a tranquil, routine lifestyle i guess takes priority. People forget history and become too complacent. Hence, why history repeats itself i suppose.