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I had just finished a meeting with a client when I heard about the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. As a parent of two, my first thought was how I couldn't wait to hug my children. My next thought turned to the victims and the parents who, due to the unfathomable actions of a monster, will not be able to do the same tonight. All I can think about are these children, their lost dreams and wasted futures. However, to my dismay this unspeakable tragedy has immediately become a springboard for gun-control advocates to lambast our gun laws. It disturbs me greatly that literally hours after one of the worst events in modern American history, media pundits and publications like, The New Yorker are politicizing the murder of kindergarten students to further their gun control agenda.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, when asked a question about gun control in the immediate aftermath of the massacre, responded by saying, "I think it's important, on a day like today, to view this -- as I know the president, as a father, does, and I as a father and others who are parents certainly do, which is to feel enormous sympathy for families.....There is, I am sure -- will be, rather -- a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates, but I do not think today is that day." Alex Koppelman of The New Yorker criticized Carney by describing his statement as cowardly. "This is the way that we deal with such incidents in the U.S. - we acknowledge them; we briefly are shocked by them; then we term it impolite to discuss their implications, and to argue about them. At some point, we will have to stop putting it off, stop pretending that doing so is the proper, respectful thing. It's not either. Its cowardice," Koppelman writes. What Koppelman fails to appreciate is that every school that faces such a tragedy is an individual isolated event that demands our respect and does not deserve to be desensitized into a political debate. By grouping today's Sandy Hook massacre as just one of "such incidents in the U.S.," Koppelman shows zero respect to any of the victims and the families affected by immediately turning this tragedy into a debate on gun control. As our nation mourns collectively, each of the parents and family members who lost loved ones Friday face a different level of individual sorrow. They deserve our respect. And they also deserve not to have their pain used as political equity. Before we jump to conclusions and make this a debate about the second amendment, it appears that the shooter, Adam Lanza borrowed his mother's guns for his heinous acts of murder. The guns were purchased legally. Make no mistake about it we have to do everything in our power to prevent a tragedy like this one from occurring again. Over the next few weeks we will learn about Lanza and whether he had any mental health issues that went ignored. You will hear people mistakenly argue that no matter how big of a monster Lanza was, the *real* villains who entered Sandy Hook Friday morning were the guns in his hand. Are we sure the absence of guns would have definitively prevented Lanza from killing? It didn't prevent Zheng Minsheng from walking into a classroom with a knife in Fugian Province on China's East Coast in 2010 and stabbing eight children to death. I am sure the parents of those eight children feel the same unimaginable pain that the parents in Connecticut feel today. Killers find a way to kill. Ultimately, what has me fuming as a parent is the fact that a person was able to enter a public school with a weapon, any weapon. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by Friday's tragedy. Mercedes Colwin is an attorney and the managing partner of Gordon & Rees's New York office. She is widely regarded as one of the top legal minds in the country and regularly defends executives from Fortune 500 companies She is also a Fox News Analyst. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/14/elementary-school-shooting-is-tragedy-not-political-platform/#ixzz2F774wA6k I totally agree! It was less then an hour after this horrific tragedy before the "Looney Left" started squeeling about gun control. |
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I had just finished a meeting with a client when I heard about the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. As a parent of two, my first thought was how I couldn't wait to hug my children. My next thought turned to the victims and the parents who, due to the unfathomable actions of a monster, will not be able to do the same tonight. All I can think about are these children, their lost dreams and wasted futures. However, to my dismay this unspeakable tragedy has immediately become a springboard for gun-control advocates to lambast our gun laws. It disturbs me greatly that literally hours after one of the worst events in modern American history, media pundits and publications like, The New Yorker are politicizing the murder of kindergarten students to further their gun control agenda. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, when asked a question about gun control in the immediate aftermath of the massacre, responded by saying, "I think it's important, on a day like today, to view this -- as I know the president, as a father, does, and I as a father and others who are parents certainly do, which is to feel enormous sympathy for families.....There is, I am sure -- will be, rather -- a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates, but I do not think today is that day." Alex Koppelman of The New Yorker criticized Carney by describing his statement as cowardly. "This is the way that we deal with such incidents in the U.S. - we acknowledge them; we briefly are shocked by them; then we term it impolite to discuss their implications, and to argue about them. At some point, we will have to stop putting it off, stop pretending that doing so is the proper, respectful thing. It's not either. Its cowardice," Koppelman writes. What Koppelman fails to appreciate is that every school that faces such a tragedy is an individual isolated event that demands our respect and does not deserve to be desensitized into a political debate. By grouping today's Sandy Hook massacre as just one of "such incidents in the U.S.," Koppelman shows zero respect to any of the victims and the families affected by immediately turning this tragedy into a debate on gun control. As our nation mourns collectively, each of the parents and family members who lost loved ones Friday face a different level of individual sorrow. They deserve our respect. And they also deserve not to have their pain used as political equity. Before we jump to conclusions and make this a debate about the second amendment, it appears that the shooter, Adam Lanza borrowed his mother's guns for his heinous acts of murder. The guns were purchased legally. Make no mistake about it we have to do everything in our power to prevent a tragedy like this one from occurring again. Over the next few weeks we will learn about Lanza and whether he had any mental health issues that went ignored. You will hear people mistakenly argue that no matter how big of a monster Lanza was, the *real* villains who entered Sandy Hook Friday morning were the guns in his hand. Are we sure the absence of guns would have definitively prevented Lanza from killing? It didn't prevent Zheng Minsheng from walking into a classroom with a knife in Fugian Province on China's East Coast in 2010 and stabbing eight children to death. I am sure the parents of those eight children feel the same unimaginable pain that the parents in Connecticut feel today. Killers find a way to kill. Ultimately, what has me fuming as a parent is the fact that a person was able to enter a public school with a weapon, any weapon. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by Friday's tragedy. Mercedes Colwin is an attorney and the managing partner of Gordon & Rees's New York office. She is widely regarded as one of the top legal minds in the country and regularly defends executives from Fortune 500 companies She is also a Fox News Analyst. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/14/elementary-school-shooting-is-tragedy-not-political-platform/#ixzz2F774wA6k I totally agree! It was less then an hour after this horrific tragedy before the "Looney Left" started squeeling about gun control. The Lice! |
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although its a shame, sometimes national spotlights are the way to get people to talk about 'taboo' subjects
I think it is more respectful for the national media to give time before reporting on a story ( I say national, because there are gun deaths EVERYDAY in america and I dont believe that should cause media to stop talking about gun death EVERYDAY, but local deaths are usually covered locally unless they are controversial such as these poor children) yet, I also understand that just like the adorned 'right to bear arms' ,, there is in that same document a right to press and free speech seems hypocritical to scorn one side for their opposition to bearing arms, by being on the side that opposes the right to press and free speech and it happens with all national stories, gets people talking, not just this subject I remember how quickly Treyvons murder turned to political discourse about 'thugs' and guns and security,, you name it , or how quickly pro gun advocates jumped on the bandwagon when those (norwegian?) kids were killed at camp,, claiming how much safer they would be if more norwegians had guns,,, ,,,,its really rarely so simplistic and holier than thou as 'blaming' one political party/platform or anther its just human beings exercising their 'free speech' and having human emotions,,, |
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although its a shame, sometimes national spotlights are the way to get people to talk about 'taboo' subjects I think it is more respectful for the national media to give time before reporting on a story ( I say national, because there are gun deaths EVERYDAY in america and I dont believe that should cause media to stop talking about gun death EVERYDAY, but local deaths are usually covered locally unless they are controversial such as these poor children) yet, I also understand that just like the adorned 'right to bear arms' ,, there is in that same document a right to press and free speech seems hypocritical to scorn one side for their opposition to bearing arms, by being on the side that opposes the right to press and free speech and it happens with all national stories, gets people talking, not just this subject I remember how quickly Treyvons murder turned to political discourse about 'thugs' and guns and security,, you name it , or how quickly pro gun advocates jumped on the bandwagon when those (norwegian?) kids were killed at camp,, claiming how much safer they would be if more norwegians had guns,,, ,,,,its really rarely so simplistic and holier than thou as 'blaming' one political party/platform or anther its just human beings exercising their 'free speech' and having human emotions,,, As I understand it from reading the OP, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was criticized for not speaking about gun policy. Freedom of speech implies freedom not to speak when one doesn't want to. Mr. Carney understood that the day of the tragedy was a day for grieving, not a day for debating. |
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although its a shame, sometimes national spotlights are the way to get people to talk about 'taboo' subjects I think it is more respectful for the national media to give time before reporting on a story ( I say national, because there are gun deaths EVERYDAY in america and I dont believe that should cause media to stop talking about gun death EVERYDAY, but local deaths are usually covered locally unless they are controversial such as these poor children) yet, I also understand that just like the adorned 'right to bear arms' ,, there is in that same document a right to press and free speech seems hypocritical to scorn one side for their opposition to bearing arms, by being on the side that opposes the right to press and free speech and it happens with all national stories, gets people talking, not just this subject I remember how quickly Treyvons murder turned to political discourse about 'thugs' and guns and security,, you name it , or how quickly pro gun advocates jumped on the bandwagon when those (norwegian?) kids were killed at camp,, claiming how much safer they would be if more norwegians had guns,,, ,,,,its really rarely so simplistic and holier than thou as 'blaming' one political party/platform or anther its just human beings exercising their 'free speech' and having human emotions,,, As I understand it from reading the OP, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was criticized for not speaking about gun policy. Freedom of speech implies freedom not to speak when one doesn't want to. Mr. Carney understood that the day of the tragedy was a day for grieving, not a day for debating. politics and criticism go hand in hand dont they? damned if you do and damned if you dont... I understand both sides, there will never be a 'good' time to talk about such things if empathy for victims trumps those discussions,, because we have gun victims EVERYDAY in america on the other hand, in a national story such as this,the discussion doesnt have to go hand in hand and immediately after the tragedy its the higher ground not to discuss it then but if there is a discussion there is a considerate manner in which to have it |
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on the other hand, in a national story such as this,the discussion doesn't have to go hand in hand and immediately after the tragedy its the higher ground not to discuss it then but if there is a discussion there is a considerate manner in which to have it I agree. Apparently Jay Carney understands this, but not Alex Koppelman, who wants a debate before all of the facts (about the shooting) are discovered. |
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Eleven of the 20 worst mass shootings in the last 50 years took place in the United States. Yes it is a political problem.
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Eleven of the 20 worst mass shootings in the last 50 years took place in the United States. Yes it is a political problem. I agree, and so many factors are involved the guns are an obvious one, but as mentioned elsewhere, our culture might need to be reexamined too,,,, |
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the guns are an obvious one, but as mentioned elsewhere, our culture might need to be reexamined too,,,, There are Mentally Ill people out there and who needs help in many ways but Many never receive the right help to lead to recovery. |
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the guns are an obvious one, but as mentioned elsewhere, our culture might need to be reexamined too,,,, There are Mentally Ill people out there and who needs help in many ways but Many never receive the right help to lead to recovery. Im not even sure thats the simple answer but 'mental illness' is a whole other topic Im sure medicine will attribute certain genes to these illnesses but I suspect (again) our cultural environment has much more to do with it and just drugging the problem doesnt do enough to make things better ,,,,,, |
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Edited by
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the guns are an obvious one, but as mentioned elsewhere, our culture might need to be reexamined too,,,, There are Mentally Ill people out there and who needs help in many ways but Many never receive the right help to lead to recovery. Im not even sure thats the simple answer but 'mental illness' is a whole other topic Im sure medicine will attribute certain genes to these illnesses but I suspect (again) our cultural environment has much more to do with it and just drugging the problem doesnt do enough to make things better ,,,,,, That is true! But the young man who did the shooting at the School was really disturbed, to commit such Murders. I am sure someone out there even family seen he had a cry for help before all this happened. JMO |
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 Ban the nutcases. |
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How can Libs claim Barry shed a tear for a few dead kids when he himself has killed 178 Pakistani childeren in his drone attacks?
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Edited by
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Yes, we should ban the "nut cases" ---- but let us first examine who are the "nut cases".
The UN vote for Palestine becoming a "member" is supported by 70% of the body. This quasi-participation as a "shadow nation" is the first step. The fact that Israel teachers carry weapons and Palestine teachers do not, further indicates who the "aggressors are. Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed September 29, 2000 - Present 126 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,476 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000 Source: Remember These Children, a coalition of groups calling for an end to the killing of children and a fair resolution of the conflict. (View the complete list of the victims, which was last updated on October 2, 2012.) It appears that Remember These Children has not yet documented a number of the Palestinian children killed during Israel's Dec 27, 2008 - Jan 18, 2009 assault on Gaza. They report only 269 of the Palestinian children killed during that time (and an additional 9 who later died from wounds inflicted during that time period). B'Tselem has documented that Israel killed 318 Palestinian children in Gaza during this time. We do not doubt the validity of this higher number as they are extremely careful in their documentation. It should be further noted that the person deemed responsible for the recent killings in Connecticut was using firearms LEGALLY purchased |
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I had just finished a meeting with a client when I heard about the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. As a parent of two, my first thought was how I couldn't wait to hug my children. My next thought turned to the victims and the parents who, due to the unfathomable actions of a monster, will not be able to do the same tonight. All I can think about are these children, their lost dreams and wasted futures. However, to my dismay this unspeakable tragedy has immediately become a springboard for gun-control advocates to lambast our gun laws. It disturbs me greatly that literally hours after one of the worst events in modern American history, media pundits and publications like, The New Yorker are politicizing the murder of kindergarten students to further their gun control agenda. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, when asked a question about gun control in the immediate aftermath of the massacre, responded by saying, "I think it's important, on a day like today, to view this -- as I know the president, as a father, does, and I as a father and others who are parents certainly do, which is to feel enormous sympathy for families.....There is, I am sure -- will be, rather -- a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates, but I do not think today is that day." Alex Koppelman of The New Yorker criticized Carney by describing his statement as cowardly. "This is the way that we deal with such incidents in the U.S. - we acknowledge them; we briefly are shocked by them; then we term it impolite to discuss their implications, and to argue about them. At some point, we will have to stop putting it off, stop pretending that doing so is the proper, respectful thing. It's not either. Its cowardice," Koppelman writes. What Koppelman fails to appreciate is that every school that faces such a tragedy is an individual isolated event that demands our respect and does not deserve to be desensitized into a political debate. By grouping today's Sandy Hook massacre as just one of "such incidents in the U.S.," Koppelman shows zero respect to any of the victims and the families affected by immediately turning this tragedy into a debate on gun control. As our nation mourns collectively, each of the parents and family members who lost loved ones Friday face a different level of individual sorrow. They deserve our respect. And they also deserve not to have their pain used as political equity. Before we jump to conclusions and make this a debate about the second amendment, it appears that the shooter, Adam Lanza borrowed his mother's guns for his heinous acts of murder. The guns were purchased legally. Make no mistake about it we have to do everything in our power to prevent a tragedy like this one from occurring again. Over the next few weeks we will learn about Lanza and whether he had any mental health issues that went ignored. You will hear people mistakenly argue that no matter how big of a monster Lanza was, the *real* villains who entered Sandy Hook Friday morning were the guns in his hand. Are we sure the absence of guns would have definitively prevented Lanza from killing? It didn't prevent Zheng Minsheng from walking into a classroom with a knife in Fugian Province on China's East Coast in 2010 and stabbing eight children to death. I am sure the parents of those eight children feel the same unimaginable pain that the parents in Connecticut feel today. Killers find a way to kill. Ultimately, what has me fuming as a parent is the fact that a person was able to enter a public school with a weapon, any weapon. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by Friday's tragedy. Mercedes Colwin is an attorney and the managing partner of Gordon & Rees's New York office. She is widely regarded as one of the top legal minds in the country and regularly defends executives from Fortune 500 companies She is also a Fox News Analyst. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/14/elementary-school-shooting-is-tragedy-not-political-platform/#ixzz2F774wA6k I totally agree! It was less then an hour after this horrific tragedy before the "Looney Left" started squeeling about gun control. The Lice! 
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the guns are an obvious one, but as mentioned elsewhere, our culture might need to be reexamined too,,,, There are Mentally Ill people out there and who needs help in many ways but Many never receive the right help to lead to recovery. Im not even sure thats the simple answer but 'mental illness' is a whole other topic Im sure medicine will attribute certain genes to these illnesses but I suspect (again) our cultural environment has much more to do with it and just drugging the problem doesnt do enough to make things better ,,,,,, So it's just easier to take someone Constitutionally protected right away from them?!? |
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Edited by
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Yes, we should ban the "nut cases" ---- but let us first examine who are the "nut cases". The UN vote for Palestine becoming a "member" is supported by 70% of the body. This quasi-participation as a "shadow nation" is the first step. The fact that Israel teachers carry weapons and Palestine teachers do not, further indicates who the "aggressors are. Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed September 29, 2000 - Present 126 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,476 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000 Source: Remember These Children, a coalition of groups calling for an end to the killing of children and a fair resolution of the conflict. (View the complete list of the victims, which was last updated on October 2, 2012.) It appears that Remember These Children has not yet documented a number of the Palestinian children killed during Israel's Dec 27, 2008 - Jan 18, 2009 assault on Gaza. They report only 269 of the Palestinian children killed during that time (and an additional 9 who later died from wounds inflicted during that time period). B'Tselem has documented that Israel killed 318 Palestinian children in Gaza during this time. We do not doubt the validity of this higher number as they are extremely careful in their documentation. It should be further noted that the person deemed responsible for the recent killings in Connecticut was using firearms LEGALLY purchased and ISraelis have gun REGULATIONS: To obtain a gun license, an applicant must be a resident of Israel for at least three consecutive years, have no criminal record, be in good health, have no history of mental illness, pass a weapons-training course, and be over a certain age (20 for women who completed military service or civil service equivalent, 21 for men who completed military service or civil service equivalent, 27 for those who did not complete military service or civil service equivalent, 45 for residents of East Jerusalem). Gun licenses must be renewed every three years and permits are given only for personal use, not for business in the firearms sale while holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun, and may purchase a maximum of fifty rounds a year, except for those shot at firing ranges. Residents of Israeli settlements in the West Bank are issued assault rifles and ammunition by the army, and are given civil defense training. However, the rifles and munitions are property of the army, and may be confiscated at any time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics#Israel ..Im not sure if this means the government will soon prohibit guns altogether and need to be overtaken,,,,,, |
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the guns are an obvious one, but as mentioned elsewhere, our culture might need to be reexamined too,,,, There are Mentally Ill people out there and who needs help in many ways but Many never receive the right help to lead to recovery. Im not even sure thats the simple answer but 'mental illness' is a whole other topic Im sure medicine will attribute certain genes to these illnesses but I suspect (again) our cultural environment has much more to do with it and just drugging the problem doesnt do enough to make things better ,,,,,, So it's just easier to take someone Constitutionally protected right away from them?!? the constitution isnt clear on any conditions for gun ownership nor is it clear on an age limit but its a matter of common sense, I would think that the 'founding fathers' werent imagining arming toddlers with guns when they wrote those lines likewise, emotionally and intellectually immature adults who would pose an unusual danger to themself and others, were probably not on the minds of the men who wrote those lines,,, |
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the guns are an obvious one, but as mentioned elsewhere, our culture might need to be reexamined too,,,, There are Mentally Ill people out there and who needs help in many ways but Many never receive the right help to lead to recovery. Im not even sure thats the simple answer but 'mental illness' is a whole other topic Im sure medicine will attribute certain genes to these illnesses but I suspect (again) our cultural environment has much more to do with it and just drugging the problem doesnt do enough to make things better ,,,,,, So it's just easier to take someone Constitutionally protected right away from them?!? the constitution isnt clear on any conditions for gun ownership nor is it clear on an age limit but its a matter of common sense, I would think that the 'founding fathers' werent imagining arming toddlers with guns when they wrote those lines likewise, emotionally and intellectually immature adults who would pose an unusual danger to themself and others, were probably not on the minds of the men who wrote those lines,,, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knabenschiessen |
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Yes, we should ban the "nut cases" ---- but let us first examine who are the "nut cases". The UN vote for Palestine becoming a "member" is supported by 70% of the body. This quasi-participation as a "shadow nation" is the first step. The fact that Israel teachers carry weapons and Palestine teachers do not, further indicates who the "aggressors are. Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed September 29, 2000 - Present 126 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,476 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000 Source: Remember These Children, a coalition of groups calling for an end to the killing of children and a fair resolution of the conflict. (View the complete list of the victims, which was last updated on October 2, 2012.) It appears that Remember These Children has not yet documented a number of the Palestinian children killed during Israel's Dec 27, 2008 - Jan 18, 2009 assault on Gaza. They report only 269 of the Palestinian children killed during that time (and an additional 9 who later died from wounds inflicted during that time period). B'Tselem has documented that Israel killed 318 Palestinian children in Gaza during this time. We do not doubt the validity of this higher number as they are extremely careful in their documentation. It should be further noted that the person deemed responsible for the recent killings in Connecticut was using firearms LEGALLY purchased  Legally Purchased,the stolen by the Perp! Thus,ILLEGAL! |
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