so, according to some in here, drinking and being gay are genetics? seriously, you people are kidding, right? did you people ever hear of making excuses about things? you people can think it's not your fault, but it is. there is no genetic predisposition that will make people drink or be gay... they made a choice and then try to blame it on anything but what it is, their own fault...

Well, that simply isn't true. The genetic connection to alcoholism is well documented. Do a little research before making false statements.

that is a correlation, not a causation

there is a genetic connection to obesity too, but not everyone with those genes ends up obese, and not everyone obese has those genes




in the end, a choice is made,,,,

I think it is harder on those with the correlation, jmo.

life is not easy,,,,if it were, it would be much harder to appreciate,,

Well, that simply isn't true. The genetic connection to alcoholism is well documented. Do a little research before making false statements.

Totally agree there is a genetic link to a "predisposition" to alcohol addiction...As far as I know there is no established genetic link to homosexuality....I am posting excerpts from an article I just found along with the link not necessarily because I agree with it, but because it contains some fairly new information on the subject that I thought was pretty interesting.....

FROM THE ARTICLE:
If gays are "born that way," then the concordance rate in identical twins should be 100%. If one twin is gay, the other one ought to be 100% of the time since they share identical DNA. After all, if one identical twin is tall so is the other. If one is blond, so is the other. If one has green eyes and red hair, so does the other.
But what Bearman and Bruckner found, after studying data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, is that the concordance rate is only 6.7% for males and 5.3% for female identical twins. This is overwhelming scientific proof that homsoexuality is not genetically determined.


Koebler adds, quite sensibly, "Evolutionarily speaking, if homosexuality was solely a genetic trait, scientists would expect the trait to eventually disappear because homosexuals wouldn't be expected to reproduce." I've often observed that Darwinians should be even more resolutely opposed to the normalization of homosexuality than evangelicals, since the whole point of evolution is the propagation of the species.

They posit that "homosexuality seems to have an epigenetic, not a genetic link." (Carefully note the word "seems.") These "epi-marks" are "extra layers of information that control how certain genes are expressed."

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/121213

Thanks for the info Leigh.

Well, that simply isn't true. The genetic connection to alcoholism is well documented. Do a little research before making false statements.

Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!

Flawed from get.

Since homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality there is nothing to find.

They are naturally born attracted to the same sex and it fits in most societies of animals on this planet just fine.

Including ours if we could get rid of those whose brains failed to evolve to understand this simple concept....

and where is your proof of these findings? just because you wanna believe something doesn't make it true...

There is no findings needed of my known fact.

It is an observable fact.

Natural state of things is homo and hetero.

Some people need to get over themselves and get over it in general because it just shows they are the unevolved problem in our human kind not the sex of some.

There is no findings needed of my known fact.

It is an observable fact.

Natural state of things is homo and hetero.

Some people need to get over themselves and get over it in general because it just shows they are the unevolved problem in our human kind not the sex of some.

The only ones who have the privileged of being able to choose who they want to have sex with are bi sexuals. Everyone else is born to it just like I was.

And it is an obvious fact of nature. Observable from birth if people just observe without trying to fix nature.

It is a fact by the definition of a fact.

Your stance is the questionable one.

research what? the "alcoholic gene"? lol, your funny sometimes... i think your confusing a correlation with fact, there may be some evidence, but it can't be proven. People that can't stop drinking try to blame it on something else, when all they have to do stop. so if someone can't stop smoking, it is a genetics problem? no, it is a mental/ physical problem as with drinking.

"it's ok, it's not your fault" is said way to much in this country and people should own up to their faults, not to blame them on everything else...