Topic: Homosexuality's cause isn't genetics, but the answer does li
Lpdon's photo
Wed 12/12/12 10:12 PM


The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!


No, that would be Muslims since it is what the pedophile Mohammud did.

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Thu 12/13/12 12:49 AM





Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!

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Thu 12/13/12 01:03 AM






Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!


Maybe an intervention would helplaugh laugh

waving

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Thu 12/13/12 01:33 AM







Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!


Maybe an intervention would helplaugh laugh

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be useless if they drink again!laugh waving flowerforyou

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Thu 12/13/12 01:41 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 12/13/12 01:43 AM


The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!
actually,the Asian genetic Makeup does have a greater disposition to Alcoholism for some reason.
Guess now there is another reason to hate!
What we have now?
Homosexuals
Addicts/Alcoholics
Atheists
Religionists
Muslims
Christians
etc.
Hate for no other reason than that they are different!
Damn,the "Human" Race has come a long way!
Holy Moly!frustrated slaphead

And Good Luck to those "Curers" of Homosexuality!
Guess you'll cure all the Animal-Kingdom too?laugh

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Thu 12/13/12 05:38 AM



The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!


No, that would be Muslims since it is what the pedophile Mohammud did.
I doubt religion has anything to do with this topic, we here in the US have enough problems of pedophilia and other problems to be pointing fingers at others. The "holy" catholic church comes to mind in regards to child abuse. Until we solve that here, pointing our finger of false self rightiousness only expose our long history of denial and hypocracy.

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Thu 12/13/12 06:19 AM



The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!


No, that would be Muslims since it is what the pedophile Mohammud did.


lets not forget catholic priests,,,,frustrated

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Thu 12/13/12 06:22 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 12/13/12 06:24 AM



The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!
actually,the Asian genetic Makeup does have a greater disposition to Alcoholism for some reason.
Guess now there is another reason to hate!
What we have now?
Homosexuals
Addicts/Alcoholics
Atheists
Religionists
Muslims
Christians
etc.
Hate for no other reason than that they are different!
Damn,the "Human" Race has come a long way!
Holy Moly!frustrated slaphead

And Good Luck to those "Curers" of Homosexuality!
Guess you'll cure all the Animal-Kingdom too?laugh



all the animal kingdom doesnt engage in homosexuality

some do engage in incest and cannibalism too

guess we should assume humans have no choice in those actions either,,,frustrated frustrated

I personally believe people have the capacity for bisexuality whomever they are

but their lifestyle is always a CHOICE they can make , and change
I know those who have,,,,



I also dont hate those with illnesses or confusion,,,,Im sure people are hateful ( i know they are), but its kind of one of those guilt trip/shut up ploys when people comeback from discussions about homosexual by claiming its always about 'hatred' if someone disagrees with their opinion

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Thu 12/13/12 06:26 AM






Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!


yes, thats a psychiatric tagline

just like there inst a 'cure' for being a killer

once you have done it,, you are labeled for life

but that doesnt mean you cant stop killing at some point, it only means you cant take back that you have the capacity


people have overcome alcoholism and stopped drinking,,,,its also a choice, though (like all choices) harder to reverse once it becomes a persons identity/routine,,,,,

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Thu 12/13/12 06:39 AM

Lamarck lives!


Wow, a reference to an obscure Soviet biologist! This turns me on!

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Thu 12/13/12 09:00 PM







Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!


yes, thats a psychiatric tagline

just like there inst a 'cure' for being a killer

once you have done it,, you are labeled for life

but that doesnt mean you cant stop killing at some point, it only means you cant take back that you have the capacity


people have overcome alcoholism and stopped drinking,,,,its also a choice, though (like all choices) harder to reverse once it becomes a persons identity/routine,,,,,


pretty close to the same thing... a choice to drink or a choice to have sex with the same sex...

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Thu 12/13/12 09:30 PM








Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!


yes, thats a psychiatric tagline

just like there inst a 'cure' for being a killer

once you have done it,, you are labeled for life

but that doesnt mean you cant stop killing at some point, it only means you cant take back that you have the capacity


people have overcome alcoholism and stopped drinking,,,,its also a choice, though (like all choices) harder to reverse once it becomes a persons identity/routine,,,,,


pretty close to the same thing... a choice to drink or a choice to have sex with the same sex...


every action is a choice,, except being born (that is the womb owners choice) or dying (That is inevitable and beyond our choice)

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Thu 12/13/12 09:57 PM




The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!


No, that would be Muslims since it is what the pedophile Mohammud did.
I doubt religion has anything to do with this topic, we here in the US have enough problems of pedophilia and other problems to be pointing fingers at others. The "holy" catholic church comes to mind in regards to child abuse. Until we solve that here, pointing our finger of false self rightiousness only expose our long history of denial and hypocracy.


Yea, well the bible doesn't preach pedophilia the Quran does. The pedophile Mohammud and his 7 year old wife.

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Thu 12/13/12 10:11 PM





The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!


No, that would be Muslims since it is what the pedophile Mohammud did.
I doubt religion has anything to do with this topic, we here in the US have enough problems of pedophilia and other problems to be pointing fingers at others. The "holy" catholic church comes to mind in regards to child abuse. Until we solve that here, pointing our finger of false self rightiousness only expose our long history of denial and hypocracy.


Yea, well the bible doesn't preach pedophilia the Quran does. The pedophile Mohammud and his 7 year old wife.


in fairness, the bible doesnt much mention age at all when it comes to wives in general,, so we dont know how young those females were or were not

and the marriage age and consummation age are not all inclusive

one can be married and still wait for an intimate relationship,, I dont believe that is clear either,,,,


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Fri 12/14/12 12:30 AM







Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!


yes, thats a psychiatric tagline

just like there inst a 'cure' for being a killer

once you have done it,, you are labeled for life

but that doesnt mean you cant stop killing at some point, it only means you cant take back that you have the capacity


people have overcome alcoholism and stopped drinking,,,,its also a choice, though (like all choices) harder to reverse once it becomes a persons identity/routine,,,,,
Ever seen what happened if they start drinking again?

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Fri 12/14/12 12:52 AM







Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile




actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause'


and how does that change what I said?

does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?



there is no cure for Alcoholism!


yes, thats a psychiatric tagline

just like there inst a 'cure' for being a killer

once you have done it,, you are labeled for life

but that doesnt mean you cant stop killing at some point, it only means you cant take back that you have the capacity


people have overcome alcoholism and stopped drinking,,,,its also a choice, though (like all choices) harder to reverse once it becomes a persons identity/routine,,,,,
actually,it is a genetically induced imbalance of the Brain's Endorphins!
Affects possibly about 10% of the Populace!

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Fri 12/14/12 03:22 AM
Edited by oldhippie1952 on Fri 12/14/12 03:23 AM


The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.
wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!


Open your eyes and learn. Not the article I read in a med journal, but close enough.

http://alcohol.addictionblog.org/native-american-alcohol-tolerance-why-do-native-americans-get-drunk-faster/

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Fri 12/14/12 03:27 AM
Edited by oldhippie1952 on Fri 12/14/12 03:31 AM
and an excerpt if you don't want to use a link, from a source considered more reputable...

"

VARIATIONS IN ADH AND ALDH IN SOUTHWEST CALIFORNIA INDIANS



Native Americans and Alaskan Natives are five times more likely than other ethnicities in the United States to die of alcohol-related causes. Native Americans are predisposed to alcoholism because of differences in the way they metabolize alcohol. In this article, Dr. Cindy L. Ehlers examines studies that test this hypothesis. Individuals can be protected against or predisposed to alcoholism by variations in the enzymes that metabolize alcohol (i.e., alcohol dehydrogenase [ADH] and aldehyde dehydrogenase [ALDH]). Dr. Ehlers examines the frequency with which these variants occur in one particular group of Native Americans, the Southwest California Indians. The findings suggest that it is unlikely that Native Americans carry a genetic variant that predisposes them to alcoholism. Certain variants of ADH and ADLH do have a protective affect against alcoholism in some Native American people; however, these findings do not explain the high incidence of alcoholism in the tribes that were studied."


http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh301/3-4.htm for the whole text.

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Fri 12/14/12 03:29 AM




Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile


I was about to say the same thing.

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Makini Brice
Medical Daily
Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST


As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically.

In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics.

Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves.

Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development.

For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference.

Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children.

The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes.

The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology.



finally, they can cure it!



only works if one believes it needs curing

kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help

excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,
I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements!
Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!bigsmile


I was about to say the same thing.


its not a genetic condition

it is only 'linked' to genetics because people often drink from emotional issue which often can be traced to genes that are linked to such emotional imbalance

in other words, they found a gene that seems to be connected to higher levels of anxiety and depression

and higher levels of anxiety and depression are more likely to lead to dependency,,,