Israel is the only party in the region that truly wants peace!



Israel left Gaza years ago. Gazans could have had as much peace and
prosperity as they liked were it not for Hamas and their own
prejudice and hatred. Israel has relinquished all governmental control
in Gaza and the West Bank to the Palestinians. It is their own
government and they could use their time and effort to better their
own situation if they simply stop wasting their time attacking
Israel on the basis of antisemitic Jew-hatred. Israel has left them
alone always as long they are not trying to attack or harm Israelis.

Israel does not want Gaza and they are fine with leaving the Gazans
alone to do whatever they want...on the other hand, Hamas does not
want Israel - to exist. So Hamas keeps futilely attacking Israelis
and Israel is forced to respond by going in and taking out the
rockets, launchers and terrorists who are attacking them.

And if the terrorists keep re-arming and attacking Israel then I guess
there is a good chance they will still go in on a ground defensive
operation to rid the area of terrorist enclaves and terrorist
infrastructure. It is all up to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the
Palestinians. The choice is out of Israel's hands. If Israel is
attacked they must respond - so we all have to wait to see if the
bigots continue to try to attack Israel or not.

If a person truly wants peace, they will have peace.

Same goes for a nation.

If it really wanted peace it wouldn't have declared statehood and fought an expansive "war of independence" to take more territory in Palestine. Pretty warlike behaviour from a peaceful outfit if you ask me.



Are you saying the Palestinians asked the IDF to demolish their homes in the West Bank and to shoot at & harass their fishermen in Palestinian waters off Gaza? It's a wonder they had time to do that, what with them being so busy hating & attacking Israel & all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZBwcPcAeFA

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/view-from-jerusalem-with-harriet-sherwood/2011/jan/14/palestinian-territories-israel



Like going to the Beach?

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/09/mideast/



Don't you mean "respond to Israel"?…After all, Israel fired the first shot when it unilaterally declared itself a state after years of terror attacks & started stealing palestinian land at gunpoint. All Israel gets from Gaza is a few last gasps of resistance from the people it attacked & conquered.

Yep,a handful of Jews against 25million Arabs in '48!
Yep,they must have been suicidal and started a War!
You all really got to be kidding!
This Revisionism has waxed ridiculous!

Check,in your sparetime,what Israel had in War-Materiel compared to the well-equipped British-led Arab Legion!

While it's true to a point, it's quite a partisan point of view to say the least. The statement fails to acknowledge the UN resolution of 1947.
In the Second World War, the Jewish community of this country contributed its full share to the struggle of the freedom- and peace-loving nations against the forces of Nazi wickedness and, by the blood of its soldiers and its war effort, gained the right to be reckoned among the peoples who founded the United Nations.

On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.

On May 14, 1948, on the day in which the British Mandate over a Palestine expired, the Jewish People's Council gathered at the Tel Aviv Museum, and approved the following proclamation, declaring the establishment of the State of Israel. The new state was recognized that night by the United States and three days later by the USSR.

...without checking with the people living there to see if it was OK or checking with the ICJ to see if it had the jurisdiction. How is that not a blatant infringement of Palestinian sovereignty?

http://www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/

what does the International Court of Justice have to do with anything?

How come it didn't intervene?
Because Israel satisfied the pre-requisites for Statehood under International Law!
The Mandate-Arabs did not!
Besides!

http://www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?articleID=199

The UN Charter does not grant the General Assembly or the International Court of Justice (ICJ) the authority to enact or amend international law. The General Assembly actually lacks the competence to enact general international law. One may easily reach the conclusion that UN member states act on the basis of political concerns, not on fair or legal ground.

It was their Own Leaders who betrayed the Palestine-Arabs!
A Feat so shameful that they have no other Choice than to cover it up with anti-Israel Rhetoric!

That much is obvious and is actually part of my point.



False. Their leaders stuck up for them. You must be talking about the majority of UN Nations, who voted to propose land that wasn't theirs to people that wanted it.

If the UN voted to give half your house away to somebody else, would you move away quietly and let them move in, or would you make a stink about it?…Yeah; I thought so…so would I.

Palestinian sovereignty? It didn't exist at that point, for when the resolution was passed, it was still under the British Mandate. I see you have a somewhat 'Irish' version of the regional history. Your 'economical' historiography and bucolic analogies don't alter modern Israel's right to exist, therefore your point is somewhat irrelevant.

That much is obvious and is actually part of my point.



False. Their leaders stuck up for them. You must be talking about the majority of UN Nations, who voted to propose land that wasn't theirs to people that wanted it.

If the UN voted to give half your house away to somebody else, would you move away quietly and let them move in, or would you make a stink about it?…Yeah; I thought so…so would I.
You still haven't told me why the ICJ didn't step in?

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_recognition_who.php

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_un_role.php

The area designated as a Jewish state as over 75% desert; it had a population of 498,000 Jews and 325,000 Arabs. The proposed Arab state area had 807,000 Arab inhabitants and 10,000 Jewish inhabitants. The international trusteeship regime in Jerusalem would have a population of 100,000 Jews and 105,000 Arabs.

On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly, in its 128th plenary session, by a two-thirds vote (33 to 13 with Britain and nine others abstaining) passed Resolution 181 partitioning Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. The Jewish community of Palestine jubilantly accepted partition despite the small size and strategic vulnerability of the proposed state. Not only were the West Bank and Gaza Strip not included, but alsoJerusalem, most of the Galilee in the North and parts of the Negev desert in the South were excluded.

After the vote was announced, the six Arab delegations of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen stormed out threatening war and the annihilation of the Palestinian Jews. Pakistan’s delegation followed suit. The Arab national movement in Palestine, as well as all the Arab states, angrily rejected partition. They demanded the entire country for themselves and threatened to resist partition by force. Had they acceptedthe UN proposal in 1947, the independent Palestinian Arab state, covering an area much larger than Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza, would have been created along with Israel. Instead, they rejected the plan and launched a war to destroy the nascent Jewish state.

Almost immediately there was Arab violence against the Jews in Palestine. Mordechai Palzur, the former chief of protocol at the Israeli Foreign Ministry, quotes a report published in Foreign Relations of the United States 1947 by Robert Macatee, consul general of Jerusalem:

* It is tragic that many of the present casualties comprise innocent and harmless people going about their daily business. They are picked off while riding in buses, walking along the streets and stray shots even find them while asleep in their beds. A Jewish woman, mother of five children, was shot in Jerusalem while hanging out clothes on the roof. The ambulance rushing her to the hospital was machine gunned and finally the mourners following her to the funeral were attacked and one of them was stabbed to death.

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee’s spokesman, told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

* The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.

The British commander of Jordan’s Arab Legion, John Bagot Glubb admitted:

* Early in January, the first detachments of the Arab Liberation Army began to infiltrate into Palestine from Syria. Some came through Jordan and even through Amman . . . They were in reality to strike the first blow in the ruin of the Arabs of Palestine.

UNSCOP was prevented by Arab and British forces from doing a full investigation in Palestine. They reported to the Security Council on 16 February 1948:

* Organized efforts are being made by strong Arab elements inside and outside Palestine to prevent the implementation of the Assembly’s plan of partition and to thwart its objectives by threats and acts of violence, including armed incursions into Palestinian territory… This Commission now finds itself confronted with an attempt to defeat its purposes, and to nullify the resolution of the General Assembly.

Jerusalem became the scene of the bloodiest battles, in danger of destruction, which aroused international concern. On 6 May 1948, the Special Session of the General Assembly recommended that:

* … the Mandatory Power appoint, under Palestine legislation, before 15 May 1948, a neutral acceptable to both Arabs and Jews, as Special Municipal Commissioner, who shall, with the co-operation of the community committees already existing in Jerusalem, carry out the functions hitherto performed by the Municipal Commission. (General Assembly Resolution 187 (S.II).)

A Philadelphia attorney, Mr. Harold Evans, was appointed to the post, but he never set foot in Jerusalem. The General Assembly failed to decide on a Statute of Jerusalem, and turned down a proposal submitted at the decisive hour before the Mandate lapsed for a temporary trusteeship regime of the city.

The United States, the Soviet Union and most other member states of the United Nations immediately recognized Israel after it declared independence on May 14, 1948, and indicted the Arabs for their aggression. The United States urged a resolution charging the Arabs with breach of the peace. Soviet delegate Andrei Gromyko told the Security Council, May 29, 1948:

* This is not the first time that the Arab states, which organized the invasion of Palestine, have ignored a decision of the Security Council or of the General Assembly. The USSR delegation deems it essential that the council should state its opinion more clearly and more firmly with regard to this attitude of the Arab states toward decisions of the Security Council.

The initial phase of the fighting ended after the Security Council threatened July 15 to cite the Arab governments for aggression under the Charter. By this time, the Haganah had been renamed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and succeeded in stopping the Arab offensive.

During the summer of 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte was sent by the UN to Palestine to mediate a truce and try to negotiate a settlement. Bernadotte’s plan called for the Jewish State to relinquish the Negev and Jerusalem to Transjordan and to receive the western Galilee. This was similar to the boundaries that had been proposed prior to the partition vote, and had been rejected by all sides. Now, the proposal was being offered after the Arabs had gone to war to prevent partition and a Jewish state had been declared. The Jews and Arabs both rejected the plan. Bernadotte was assassinated by LEHI extremists in Jerusalem on September 17, 1948, an act that resulted in the elimination of the LEHI organization by mainstream Jewish leaders.

Although UN Resolution 181 is still sometimes cited when it is advantageous to the pro-Arab Palestinian position, the State of Israel has consistently maintained that the Partition Resolution became null and void when it was rejected by the Arab side in 1947.

As late as 1999, Resolution 181 was once again the focus of attention, more than 50 years after it was passed by the United Nations and rejected by the Arabs. The Palestinian Authority arranged for the United Nations Commission on Human Rights to pass a resolution calling for Palestinian self-determination only on the basis UN Resolution 181. This was a blatant attempt to rewrite all of the history of the years between 1947 and 1999 and it was swiftly denounced.

Ironically, the United Nations has been an anti-Israel institution since shortly after the UN was instrumental in the founding of the State of Israel. Unfortunately the UN was often subverted by a coalition of third-world countries, Soviet client states, pro-Arab and anti-Semitic forces who could use actions against Israel as a proxy for stabs against the United States and its democratic allies. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, this coalition was absorbed by the Middle Eastern forces seeking to destroy Israel. Today, the UN cannot be seen as a useful guide to world opinion or the moral course of action.

Actually,no one was going to get thrown off any Land,regardless what the Arab Propaganda-Machine claims!

British Mandate. ....mmmmmm curiously everything leads back to the damn British, their damn Monarchy, and the EVIL QUEEN.


Here comes the Queen
and her royal court.
Her servants are waiting
within the fort.
No one will stand
in the way of her power.
The time is at hand,
and dark is the hour.

She comes to deliver us,
(and that was the plan.)
Oppression and ruthlessness
Is ruling our land.

With reptile eyes,
Cold blooded and cruel
she spreads the lies
and continues to rule.

Here comes the Queen
with her vampire sons
and they drink the blood
of the little ones.

So watch your children
and hide your gold;
Here comes the Queen
and her blood runs cold.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/Hamas_Exploitation_Civilians_Jan_2009.htm

Yep. Hamas and similar Palestinian groups are opposed to peace with
Israel regardless of where the borders are located. They are opposed
to Israel on the basis of antisemitic Jew hatred. Hamas states in its
charter for example that it will never accept a Jewish state of Israel.

Because it is Jewish.

When Israel gives up and renounces the ridiculous notion that they have a right to move in and take control of the holy land because of some questionable Biblical prophecy, then the idea of living peacefully and being nice to each other can begin.

Obviously you didn't read the link I provided:

"The General Assembly refused a resolution to submit the Palestine question to the International Court of Justice to determine whether the UN had any jurisdiction to recommend the partition of Palestine or any other country."

http://www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/

"The United Nations had no business offering the nation of one people to the people of many nations. Its General Assembly had neither the legal nor the legislative powers to impose such a resolution or to convey title of a territory; Articles 10, 11 and 14 of the UN Charter bestows the right on the General Assembly merely to recommend resolutions. "

yep,HAMAS is aggrieved!

Palestine was never a Nation!
You all get that through your heads!