Topic: Twoofer Madness
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Thu 11/22/12 02:26 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/22/12 02:57 PM

War was declared on the Taliban in Afghanistan.


Afghanistan was not a formally declared war, it was a "military engagement authorized by Congress.

Don't ask me what the difference is, I suppose it is technical and for political reasons like Viet Nam was a "police action."


There is essentially no difference, thus, Congress authorised a military action against Afghanistan. I remember it well, for our country was immediately involved owing to our treaty obligations.

Congress hasn't used a formal declaration of war since ww2 but that doesn't mean its not a war. Congress doesn't have to have a declaration of war.The constitution says that "congress has the power to declare war".Nothing else specific So they can declare war in whatever fashion they want.It doesn't have to be named declaration of war.They voted to authorize the Iraq war.

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Thu 11/22/12 02:30 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/22/12 02:51 PM



So, back to the point, if this 'poor man' was being treated so badly, why didn't the truther movement offer his counsel the evidence to prove 9/11 was 'an inside job' to exonerate him?


Why don't you ask them? You seem to think I'm the president of the 'truther movement.'


Again, your extrapolations are ridiculous. I don't think you're 'president' of anything. Just another evasion, as usual.


The idea that man was the "master mind" of anything is absurd. He can't even speak English in a world where so many people speak five languages. Some mastermind.



Oh, please, that is just inane.



But you must admit it is funny!laugh


As always :wink:

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Thu 11/22/12 02:56 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/22/12 03:53 PM

THE ALLEGED MASTERMIND OF 9-11




You would think there would be some better photo's of this mastermind than this. Alas, this is the primary photo you will find all over the Internet.




It's a conspiracy!!!! rofl He should be wearing glasses, a lab coat and be neatly groomed to be taken seriously as a mastermind.


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Thu 11/22/12 03:38 PM




So, back to the point, if this 'poor man' was being treated so badly, why didn't the truther movement offer his counsel the evidence to prove 9/11 was 'an inside job' to exonerate him?


Why don't you ask them? You seem to think I'm the president of the 'truther movement.'


Again, your extrapolations are ridiculous. I don't think you're 'president' of anything. Just another evasion, as usual.


The idea that man was the "master mind" of anything is absurd. He can't even speak English in a world where so many people speak five languages. Some mastermind.



Oh, please, that is just inane.



But you must admit it is funny!laugh


As always :wink:



Now if we start with twenty points, as JB suggests, and add twenty for every language she speaks, we can calculate her IQ! Is that correct?

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Thu 11/22/12 03:52 PM





So, back to the point, if this 'poor man' was being treated so badly, why didn't the truther movement offer his counsel the evidence to prove 9/11 was 'an inside job' to exonerate him?


Why don't you ask them? You seem to think I'm the president of the 'truther movement.'


Again, your extrapolations are ridiculous. I don't think you're 'president' of anything. Just another evasion, as usual.


The idea that man was the "master mind" of anything is absurd. He can't even speak English in a world where so many people speak five languages. Some mastermind.



Oh, please, that is just inane.



But you must admit it is funny!laugh


As always :wink:



Now if we start with twenty points, as JB suggests, and add twenty for every language she speaks, we can calculate her IQ! Is that correct?


rofl It is a rather strange method of determining one's ability to conduct a terrorist operation.

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Thu 11/22/12 06:24 PM

I NOW PRESENT THE ALLEGED MASTERMIND OF 9-11
He can't speak English.
Yep, he sure looks like a mastermind to me.

rofl rofl rofl




You would think there would be some better photo's of this mastermind than this. Alas, this is the primary photo you will find all over the Internet.



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Thu 11/22/12 08:39 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/22/12 08:50 PM
Anyway, all logical fallacies about KSM aside, let's get back on topic.

The origin of some of the twoofer BS.

Al Qaeda chides Iran over 9/11 'conspiracy theories'

Al-Qaeda has accused Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of spreading "conspiracy theories" about the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

Inspire, an al-Qaeda-linked online magazine, described Mr Ahmadinejad's controversial speech to the United Nations last week as "ridiculous".

The Iranian leader said he believed the World Trade Center towers could not have been brought down by aircraft.

The article said such a belief "stands in the face of all logic and evidence".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15097317



Well, silly people will believe Presstv. Even Al-Qaeda calls the truthers out with "stands in the face of all logic and evidence".


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Fri 11/23/12 08:03 AM
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Fri 11/23/12 10:58 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/23/12 11:18 AM

Anyway, all logical fallacies about KSM aside, let's get back on topic.

The origin of some of the twoofer BS.

Al Qaeda chides Iran over 9/11 'conspiracy theories'

Al-Qaeda has accused Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of spreading "conspiracy theories" about the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

Inspire, an al-Qaeda-linked online magazine, described Mr Ahmadinejad's controversial speech to the United Nations last week as "ridiculous".

The Iranian leader said he believed the World Trade Center towers could not have been brought down by aircraft.

The article said such a belief "stands in the face of all logic and evidence".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15097317



Well, silly people will believe Presstv. Even Al-Qaeda calls the truthers out with "stands in the face of all logic and evidence".




Well that does make perfect sense since "Al-Qaeda" is a CIA created propaganda entity and the "war on terror" is a ridiculous tactic and fabrication used to terrorize and milk the people for everything they can get.

Not to mention that you can't quote "Al-Qaeda" because there is no such person. (or entity) LOL

"Al-Qaeda" doe not exist. It is a buzz word. Anytime you hear anything involving or quoting "Al-qaeda" you can be sure... and I mean positive, that you are listening to CIA propaganda B.S. and disinformation.


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Fri 11/23/12 11:16 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 11/23/12 11:22 AM
My gut tells me that Inspire or its alleged connection to "Al Qaeda" (which is a hoax)was probably created by the CIA or other "intelligence" agencies to perpetrate the hoax of the alleged Al-Qaeda organization, in an effort to fuel the fire of "Al-Qaeda" and the fabricated and fake "war on terror."

The thing is, in this world of lies and propaganda one has to use common sense and not be taken in by ... any of the lies and nonsense.

From Wiki on Authenticity of Inspire: (You be the judge, but I am not the only person who smells a rat.)

Authenticity of Inspire,
an alleged al-Qaeda-linked online magazine,

Some scholars, such as Thomas Hegghammer (of the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment) and Jarret Brachman, argued that the magazine was an unexceptional example of jihadist online literature and did not deserve the media attention it received.[28][29] Hegghammer wrote that "there is nothing particularly new or uniquely worrying" about the magazine's content, and its connection to AQAP is likely weak: "Without signals intelligence it is extremely difficult to determine the precise nature of the link between the editors and the AQAP leadership. Judging from the amount of recycled material in Inspire, I would be surprised if the AQAP connection is very strong."

While the SITE Institute and at least one senior U.S. government official described Inspire as authentic, there was some speculation on jihadist websites and elsewhere that the magazine, due to its low quality, may have been a hoax.[30] This view was advocated, in particular, by Max Fisher, a writer for The Atlantic.

Fisher listed five reasons to suspect the publication was a hoax.According to Fisher, the portable document format (PDF) file that contained the first issue also contained a computer virus.

Fisher noted that the magazine contained an article by Abu Mu'sab al-Suri, noting that al-Suri had been in Guantanamo since 2005, and that whether he was actually tied to al Qaeda remained unclear. The article attributed to al-Suri was the beginning of a series that appeared in the next 5 issues of Inspire. These excerpts were all copied from a translation of Abu Musab al-Suri's "The Global Islamic Resistance Call" which was published in a 2008 biography of him.

Peter Bergen, the national security analyst for CNN, describing it as "a slick Web-based publication, heavy on photographs and graphics that, unusually for a jihadist organ, is written in colloquial English", on 31 March 2011 discussed the column of Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, a leader of AQAP, in its fifth issue.

metalwing's photo
Fri 11/23/12 12:03 PM


I NOW PRESENT THE ALLEGED MASTERMIND OF 9-11
He can't speak English.
Yep, he sure looks like a mastermind to me.

rofl rofl rofl




You would think there would be some better photo's of this mastermind than this. Alas, this is the primary photo you will find all over the Internet.





Now if I have more hair on my back than he does, does that mean I am more or less intelligent than he is?spock

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Fri 11/23/12 12:12 PM
We funded and trained Al Qaeda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw


In this video Hilary Clinton admits that the US government created and funded Al-Qaeda in order to fight the soviet union, and she even considers that as a good thing.

But she claims that the Americans are fighting Al-Qaeda nowadays.

If you really fighting Al-Qaeda, then who are the scums and terrorists you used in order to topple the government of Qaddafi in Libya... The American media describes "Aldel Hakim Belhaj" as an x-terrorist or as an x-jihadist. How funny and hypocrite!

Did his brain develop suddenly? or what are the marks that made him an x-Jihadist? There is only one reason... The American needed him, so they whitened his page and he became suddenly an x-Jihadist...

Wait a couple of years to see him again an active jihadist when the Americans don't need his services...

Al-Qaeda didn't leave the US government bed... Let us review the history and see that Al-Qaeda acts served only the US foreign policy... Al-Qaeda terrorists are multipurpose fighters who are being used efficiently by the US government...

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Fri 11/23/12 12:12 PM

My gut tells me that Inspire or its alleged connection to "Al Qaeda" (which is a hoax)was probably created by the CIA or other "intelligence" agencies to perpetrate the hoax of the alleged Al-Qaeda organization, in an effort to fuel the fire of "Al-Qaeda" and the fabricated and fake "war on terror."

The thing is, in this world of lies and propaganda one has to use common sense and not be taken in by ... any of the lies and nonsense.

From Wiki on Authenticity of Inspire: (You be the judge, but I am not the only person who smells a rat.)

Authenticity of Inspire,
an alleged al-Qaeda-linked online magazine,

Some scholars, such as Thomas Hegghammer (of the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment) and Jarret Brachman, argued that the magazine was an unexceptional example of jihadist online literature and did not deserve the media attention it received.[28][29] Hegghammer wrote that "there is nothing particularly new or uniquely worrying" about the magazine's content, and its connection to AQAP is likely weak: "Without signals intelligence it is extremely difficult to determine the precise nature of the link between the editors and the AQAP leadership. Judging from the amount of recycled material in Inspire, I would be surprised if the AQAP connection is very strong."

While the SITE Institute and at least one senior U.S. government official described Inspire as authentic, there was some speculation on jihadist websites and elsewhere that the magazine, due to its low quality, may have been a hoax.[30] This view was advocated, in particular, by Max Fisher, a writer for The Atlantic.

Fisher listed five reasons to suspect the publication was a hoax.According to Fisher, the portable document format (PDF) file that contained the first issue also contained a computer virus.

Fisher noted that the magazine contained an article by Abu Mu'sab al-Suri, noting that al-Suri had been in Guantanamo since 2005, and that whether he was actually tied to al Qaeda remained unclear. The article attributed to al-Suri was the beginning of a series that appeared in the next 5 issues of Inspire. These excerpts were all copied from a translation of Abu Musab al-Suri's "The Global Islamic Resistance Call" which was published in a 2008 biography of him.

Peter Bergen, the national security analyst for CNN, describing it as "a slick Web-based publication, heavy on photographs and graphics that, unusually for a jihadist organ, is written in colloquial English", on 31 March 2011 discussed the column of Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, a leader of AQAP, in its fifth issue.
Your Gut is a Legitimate Tool of Cognizance?surprised

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Fri 11/23/12 12:14 PM
More maddness, and it ain't "twoofer maddness" either.

******************

Al Qaeda was a U.S. creation, specifically a product of inverted right wing psuedo logic. If ‘al Qaeda’ did not exist, never mind –the shills would invent it and cite it to justify wars abroad, crackdowns on freedom at home! They would bestow upon it a virtual existence via press releases, propaganda and outright lies –deliberate attempts to mislead the American people!

Bin Laden should pay royalties to the U.S. right wing if, indeed, he ever benefited from his new found celebrity, his holographic ‘creation’ by the mass media, his elevation to arch-enemy status! His is falsely characterized as the ‘mega-terrorist’ brain behind a sinister world terrorist organization resembling an octopus with tentacles in every real or fictitious terrorist attack. There had not been anything like it since Bond fought SPECTRE –an evil terrorist organization specializing in terrorism and extortion. In the Bushco rewrite the part of Blofeld is played by Bin Laden.

It was a crock!

It was the CIA which bestowed upon Bin Laden himself his near mythical image of sinister master terrorist who commanded a vast world wide network from deep inside a cave in Tora Bora. This was all really, really bad fiction. Many Hollywood producers would have laughed out of their offices anyone daring to pitch it! It was, it seems, a very, very bad rewrite of Ala Baba and his 40 thieves. Ali, like Binny, lived in a cave but –alas –did not have cell phones. But neither did Bin Laden.The immediate acceptance of the Bush official conspiracy theory proves the diminishing IQs of those who insist upon believing it. The consolation is this: the CIA has no future in Hollywood!

Source:
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/01/23/how-the-u-s-invented-al-qaeda/

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Fri 11/23/12 12:17 PM


My gut tells me that Inspire or its alleged connection to "Al Qaeda" (which is a hoax)was probably created by the CIA or other "intelligence" agencies to perpetrate the hoax of the alleged Al-Qaeda organization, in an effort to fuel the fire of "Al-Qaeda" and the fabricated and fake "war on terror."

The thing is, in this world of lies and propaganda one has to use common sense and not be taken in by ... any of the lies and nonsense.

From Wiki on Authenticity of Inspire: (You be the judge, but I am not the only person who smells a rat.)

Authenticity of Inspire,
an alleged al-Qaeda-linked online magazine,

Some scholars, such as Thomas Hegghammer (of the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment) and Jarret Brachman, argued that the magazine was an unexceptional example of jihadist online literature and did not deserve the media attention it received.[28][29] Hegghammer wrote that "there is nothing particularly new or uniquely worrying" about the magazine's content, and its connection to AQAP is likely weak: "Without signals intelligence it is extremely difficult to determine the precise nature of the link between the editors and the AQAP leadership. Judging from the amount of recycled material in Inspire, I would be surprised if the AQAP connection is very strong."

While the SITE Institute and at least one senior U.S. government official described Inspire as authentic, there was some speculation on jihadist websites and elsewhere that the magazine, due to its low quality, may have been a hoax.[30] This view was advocated, in particular, by Max Fisher, a writer for The Atlantic.

Fisher listed five reasons to suspect the publication was a hoax.According to Fisher, the portable document format (PDF) file that contained the first issue also contained a computer virus.

Fisher noted that the magazine contained an article by Abu Mu'sab al-Suri, noting that al-Suri had been in Guantanamo since 2005, and that whether he was actually tied to al Qaeda remained unclear. The article attributed to al-Suri was the beginning of a series that appeared in the next 5 issues of Inspire. These excerpts were all copied from a translation of Abu Musab al-Suri's "The Global Islamic Resistance Call" which was published in a 2008 biography of him.

Peter Bergen, the national security analyst for CNN, describing it as "a slick Web-based publication, heavy on photographs and graphics that, unusually for a jihadist organ, is written in colloquial English", on 31 March 2011 discussed the column of Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, a leader of AQAP, in its fifth issue.
Your Gut is a Legitimate Tool of Cognizance?surprised


If I eat too many raw onions, my gut talks to me too!

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Fri 11/23/12 12:19 PM
When asked about the possibility of al-Qaeda's connection to the July 7, 2005 London bombings in 2005, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said:

"Al-Qaeda is not an organization. Al-Qaeda is a way of working ... but this has the hallmark of that approach ... al-Qaeda clearly has the ability to provide training ... to provide expertise ... and I think that is what has occurred here."

On August 13, 2005, however, The Independent newspaper, quoting police and MI5 investigations, reported that the July 7 bombers had acted independently of an al-Qaeda terror mastermind someplace abroad.

What exactly al-Qaeda is, or was, remains in dispute. Author and journalist Adam Curtis argues that the idea of al-Qaeda as a formal organization is primarily an American invention. Curtis contends the name "al-Qaeda" was first brought to the attention of the public in the 2001 trial of bin Laden and the four men accused of the 1998 US embassy bombings in East Africa:

The reality was that bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri had become the focus of a loose association of disillusioned Islamist militants who were attracted by the new strategy. But there was no organization. These were militants who mostly planned their own operations and looked to bin Laden for funding and assistance. He was not their commander.

There is also no evidence that bin Laden used the term "al-Qaeda" to refer to the name of a group until after September 11 attacks, when he realized that this was the term the Americans had given it.[49]

As a matter of law, the US Department of Justice needed to show that bin Laden was the leader of a criminal organization in order to charge him in absentia under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, also known as the RICO statutes. The name of the organization and details of its structure were provided in the testimony of Jamal al-Fadl, who said he was a founding member of the organization and a former employee of bin Laden.[50] Questions about the reliability of al-Fadl's testimony have been raised by a number of sources because of his history of dishonesty, and because he was delivering it as part of a plea bargain agreement after being convicted of conspiring to attack U.S. military establishments.

Sam Schmidt, one of his defense lawyers, said:

There were selective portions of al-Fadl's testimony that I believe was false, to help support the picture that he helped the Americans join together. I think he lied in a number of specific testimony about a unified image of what this organization was. It made al-Qaeda the new Mafia or the new Communists.

It made them identifiable as a group and therefore made it easier to prosecute any person associated with al-Qaeda for any acts or statements made by bin Laden.

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Fri 11/23/12 12:21 PM

More maddness, and it ain't "twoofer maddness" either.

******************

Al Qaeda was a U.S. creation, specifically a product of inverted right wing psuedo logic. If ‘al Qaeda’ did not exist, never mind –the shills would invent it and cite it to justify wars abroad, crackdowns on freedom at home! They would bestow upon it a virtual existence via press releases, propaganda and outright lies –deliberate attempts to mislead the American people!

Bin Laden should pay royalties to the U.S. right wing if, indeed, he ever benefited from his new found celebrity, his holographic ‘creation’ by the mass media, his elevation to arch-enemy status! His is falsely characterized as the ‘mega-terrorist’ brain behind a sinister world terrorist organization resembling an octopus with tentacles in every real or fictitious terrorist attack. There had not been anything like it since Bond fought SPECTRE –an evil terrorist organization specializing in terrorism and extortion. In the Bushco rewrite the part of Blofeld is played by Bin Laden.

It was a crock!

It was the CIA which bestowed upon Bin Laden himself his near mythical image of sinister master terrorist who commanded a vast world wide network from deep inside a cave in Tora Bora. This was all really, really bad fiction. Many Hollywood producers would have laughed out of their offices anyone daring to pitch it! It was, it seems, a very, very bad rewrite of Ala Baba and his 40 thieves. Ali, like Binny, lived in a cave but –alas –did not have cell phones. But neither did Bin Laden.The immediate acceptance of the Bush official conspiracy theory proves the diminishing IQs of those who insist upon believing it. The consolation is this: the CIA has no future in Hollywood!

Source:
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/01/23/how-the-u-s-invented-al-qaeda/

Yeah,a High Five for PakAlert!
Even cornier than Jones and Chomsky rolled into one!laugh

They even give selfrespecting Conspiracy-Theory-Sites a Belly-Laugh!

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Fri 11/23/12 12:22 PM
‘West invented Al-Qaeda, monster turned on master’

RT's Laura Smith discusses Britain's domestic and foreign policy with a controversial UK MP George Galloway who sheds light on agendas debated behind closed doors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101741922

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Fri 11/23/12 12:24 PM
Video BBC Reports that Al Qaeda Does Not Exist - Jean's Blog.flv

The BBC did a documentary on Al-Qaeda. It explains that Al-Qaeda was an invention by the US justice system to be able to prosecute terrorist suspects under the laws that had been used to prosecute the Mafia. In order to do that the terrorists had to be part of an organization, and so Al-Qaeda was invented.

"People are cattle. If you want to control cattle, you need to control their predators." And if they don't have predators, make some up and make them really scary.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZOoJKO1s4M

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Fri 11/23/12 12:27 PM
Hillary Clinton Admits the U.S. Government Created al-Qaeda

The Mujahideen were the "database" of Al-Qaeda assets. Al-Qaeda are a controlled opposition force of the Central Intelligence Agency to promote their middle east destabilization process, to give empirical U.S. Military Industrial Complex a reason to invade wherever they want in the ever widening "war on terror" fraud.

http://www.dailypaul.com/235730/hillary-clinton-admits-the-us-government-created-al-qaeda