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Topic: Twoofer Madness
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Thu 11/22/12 09:39 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 11/22/12 09:40 AM



Well that is not really a trial, its a military tribunal. But I will read the transcripts and tell you what I make of them.

It will take some time.


I'm not interested in what you 'make of them'. My question was, if the truther movement had the courage of its convictions, why didn't anyone try to help this POS?



Because it WAS NOT A TRIAL. It was a military tribunal.

If the NSA, CIA etc utilized the Patriot act to check a person's record of books checked out at a library, the librarian can be arrested for breathing a word of it to anyone. A civilian breaks the law just asking questions about people arrested and held without a lawyer.

It was not a trial.

From what I have read so far, the man was very concerned how they were treating innocent detainees. He can't even speak English, and the translation of the "unclassified transcript" was very poor.

It was not a trial. It was a joke. That man, who can't even speak English is supposed to be a "mastermind" of 9-11? That's a laugh.



so,Explain what a Military Tribunal is!
And how it is conducted!

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Thu 11/22/12 09:47 AM
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wiki:

A military tribunal is an inquisitorial system based on charges brought by military authorities, prosecuted by a military authority, judged by military officers, and sentenced by military officers against a member of an adversarial force.

The United States has made use of military tribunals or commissions, rather than rely on a court-martial, within the military justice system, during times of declared war or rebellion.

Most recently, as discussed below, the administration of George W. Bush sought to use military tribunals to try "unlawful enemy combatants", mostly individuals captured abroad and held at a prison camp at a military base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.


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As you can deduce from the above, the defendant is already assumed to be guilty and an enemy.

Also there is no "declared war" going on except the fabricated "war on terror" which is not a real declared war.

In short, his "military tribunal" was a kangaroo court where if he is an innocent patsy, he did not stand a chance in hell. Besides that, he was tortured and he was concerned about many innocent people being held that were also being tortured.

That does not sound like a man who is "not under duress."

That is not a fair trial. It is not a trial at all. It is a crucifixion.


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Thu 11/22/12 09:55 AM



Well that is not really a trial, its a military tribunal. But I will read the transcripts and tell you what I make of them.

It will take some time.
and what makes you believe that they deserve any other Trial,than one conducted by Military Rules?


How difficult would it be to find an impartial jury anyway?



Very difficult even in a real trial.

But at least there would be a chance to reveal some truths about what really happened and who was really responsible for 9-11. BUT do you really think the powers that be want that to happen? Do you really think the Bush administration wants the truth to come out in a public trial? Of course not.

In fact, none of the suspects have ever been brought to a real trial. They have all disappeared or been assassinated. The one guy they couldn't assassinate (because it would not look too great for them) they crucified him in a military tribunal after torturing him and many others.

That is tyranny.




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Thu 11/22/12 10:06 AM

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wiki:

A military tribunal is an inquisitorial system based on charges brought by military authorities, prosecuted by a military authority, judged by military officers, and sentenced by military officers against a member of an adversarial force.

The United States has made use of military tribunals or commissions, rather than rely on a court-martial, within the military justice system, during times of declared war or rebellion.

Most recently, as discussed below, the administration of George W. Bush sought to use military tribunals to try "unlawful enemy combatants", mostly individuals captured abroad and held at a prison camp at a military base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.


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As you can deduce from the above, the defendant is already assumed to be guilty and an enemy.

Also there is no "declared war" going on except the fabricated "war on terror" which is not a real declared war.

In short, his "military tribunal" was a kangaroo court where if he is an innocent patsy, he did not stand a chance in hell. Besides that, he was tortured and he was concerned about many innocent people being held that were also being tortured.

That does not sound like a man who is "not under duress."

That is not a fair trial. It is not a trial at all. It is a crucifixion.


So,it is a Trial,regardless of what you are saying!laugh

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Thu 11/22/12 10:10 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/22/12 10:14 AM
It is not a criminal trial. It is a military tribunal.

If you still can't see the difference I can't help you any further.

A military tribunal is supposed to only take place during a legal declared WAR.

And you are not allowed to torture the defendant until he confesses ---at least not here in America.









Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/22/12 10:34 AM

It is not a criminal trial. It is a military tribunal.

If you still can't see the difference I can't help you any further.

A military tribunal is supposed to only take place during a legal declared WAR.

And you are not allowed to torture the defendant until he confesses ---at least not here in America.









really doesn't matter how you tag it!
It's a Trial!
Whoever said he was going to get a civilian Trial?
He's lucky he wasn't taken out back and shot!
Really doesn't matter how you bob and weave on this,he is being tried by a Military Tribunal,and it is Legal!
Enough precedents!

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Thu 11/22/12 11:26 AM



Read the firefighters testimony..


You keep saying that. Did you post it in this thread? Please let me know where it is.



It is in the piece explaining Silverstein's comment.

"As we were walking, we had to actually get a little closer to Seven. So we turned and looked at Seven, and that's when all the marble siding started popping off the side because it was starting to go down.

We worked our way putting out the car fires, which I don't know if there was ammunition, because there was a lot of cop cars, but there was explosions. Tires were exploding. There had to be about 15 or 20 car fires. We put them out as we worked our way down."
–Firefighter Thomas Donato

So, cars were on fire. What have you got that suggests otherwise?



So how did these cars catch on fire?

You have a building that fell as a result of weakened structure, and it fell in a Pancake collapse, one story on top of another into a pile of dust. There is paper flying everywhere, in the streets unburned. No huge blazing inferno's in or on any other surrounding buildings that show up in any videos.... So I'm wondering, how did 1400 cars catch on fire? Where are videos or pictures of a car lot full of cars on fire?








I think you don't understand forces or what goes on when a building collapses. I can understand unburned paper easily. There was burning debris yes. They was hot metal that wasn't burning. Cars are filled with flammable stuff. Flammable stuff burns when it gets hot. Things that burn in enclosed places build pressure. Pressure causes explosions.

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Thu 11/22/12 12:40 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/22/12 12:49 PM
Because it WAS NOT A TRIAL. It was a military tribunal.


What nonsense. It is still a trial. David Hicks went before the same tribunal and evidence was given to his military counsel from outside sources.

If the NSA, CIA etc utilized the Patriot act to check a person's record of books checked out at a library, the librarian can be arrested for breathing a word of it to anyone. A civilian breaks the law just asking questions about people arrested and held without a lawyer. THIS IS THE NEW M.O SINCE THE PATRIOT ACT. Which has taken away our freedoms and rights and made this country into what can be easily changed into total tyranny.


This is irrelevant, cf. the Hicks case.

It was not a trial.


I'm sure you see it that way.

From what I have read so far, the man was very concerned how they were treating innocent detainees. He can't even speak English, and the translation of the "unclassified transcript" was very poor.


So, back to the point, if this 'poor man' was being treated so badly, why didn't the truther movement offer his counsel the evidence to prove 9/11 was 'an inside job' to exonerate him?


It was not a trial. It was a joke. That man, who can't even speak English is supposed to be a "mastermind" of 9-11? That's a laugh.


Again, nothing but an opinionated rant devoid of any supporting evidence.

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Thu 11/22/12 12:45 PM


It is not a criminal trial. It is a military tribunal.

If you still can't see the difference I can't help you any further.

A military tribunal is supposed to only take place during a legal declared WAR.

And you are not allowed to torture the defendant until he confesses ---at least not here in America.



really doesn't matter how you tag it!
It's a Trial!
Whoever said he was going to get a civilian Trial?
He's lucky he wasn't taken out back and shot!
Really doesn't matter how you bob and weave on this,he is being tried by a Military Tribunal,and it is Legal!
Enough precedents!


It is not 'legal."

But then the criminals (war criminals) that run this country also decide what is legal and not legal these days. In Germany it was not 'legal' to hide a Jew in your attic either.

Legal or not legal is not right or wrong.




HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 11/22/12 12:47 PM

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wiki:

A military tribunal is an inquisitorial system based on charges brought by military authorities, prosecuted by a military authority, judged by military officers, and sentenced by military officers against a member of an adversarial force.

The United States has made use of military tribunals or commissions, rather than rely on a court-martial, within the military justice system, during times of declared war or rebellion.

Most recently, as discussed below, the administration of George W. Bush sought to use military tribunals to try "unlawful enemy combatants", mostly individuals captured abroad and held at a prison camp at a military base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.


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As you can deduce from the above, the defendant is already assumed to be guilty and an enemy.


Your powers of deductive reasoning are specious at best.

Also there is no "declared war" going on except the fabricated "war on terror" which is not a real declared war.


War was declared on the Taliban in Afghanistan.

In short, his "military tribunal" was a kangaroo court where if he is an innocent patsy, he did not stand a chance in hell. Besides that, he was tortured and he was concerned about many innocent people being held that were also being tortured.


You are ignoring the evidence and his own unaided confession.

That does not sound like a man who is "not under duress."

That is not a fair trial. It is not a trial at all. It is a crucifixion.


I suggest you keep reading.

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Thu 11/22/12 12:49 PM
So, back to the point, if this 'poor man' was being treated so badly, why didn't the truther movement offer his counsel the evidence to prove 9/11 was 'an inside job' to exonerate him?


Why don't you ask them? You seem to think I'm the president of the 'truther movement.'

laugh laugh

The military tribunal was a circus. The idea that man was the "master mind" of anything is absurd. He can't even speak English in a world where so many people speak five languages. Some mastermind.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 11/22/12 12:50 PM



It is not a criminal trial. It is a military tribunal.

If you still can't see the difference I can't help you any further.

A military tribunal is supposed to only take place during a legal declared WAR.

And you are not allowed to torture the defendant until he confesses ---at least not here in America.



really doesn't matter how you tag it!
It's a Trial!
Whoever said he was going to get a civilian Trial?
He's lucky he wasn't taken out back and shot!
Really doesn't matter how you bob and weave on this,he is being tried by a Military Tribunal,and it is Legal!
Enough precedents!


It is not 'legal."

But then the criminals (war criminals) that run this country also decide what is legal and not legal these days. In Germany it was not 'legal' to hide a Jew in your attic either.

Legal or not legal is not right or wrong.


Complete with a classic Godwin. slaphead

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 11/22/12 12:52 PM

So, back to the point, if this 'poor man' was being treated so badly, why didn't the truther movement offer his counsel the evidence to prove 9/11 was 'an inside job' to exonerate him?


Why don't you ask them? You seem to think I'm the president of the 'truther movement.'


Again, your extrapolations are ridiculous. I don't think you're 'president' of anything. Just another evasion, as usual.


The idea that man was the "master mind" of anything is absurd. He can't even speak English in a world where so many people speak five languages. Some mastermind.



Oh, please, that is just inane.

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Thu 11/22/12 12:55 PM
War was declared on the Taliban in Afghanistan.


Afghanistan was not a formally declared war, it was a "military engagement authorized by Congress.

Don't ask me what the difference is, I suppose it is technical and for political reasons like Viet Nam was a "police action."


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Thu 11/22/12 01:00 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 11/22/12 01:01 PM
THE ALLEGED MASTERMIND OF 9-11




You would think there would be some better photo's of this mastermind than this. Alas, this is the primary photo you will find all over the Internet.


Conrad_73's photo
Thu 11/22/12 01:00 PM

War was declared on the Taliban in Afghanistan.


Afghanistan was not a formally declared war, it was a "military engagement authorized by Congress.

Don't ask me what the difference is, I suppose it is technical and for political reasons like Viet Nam was a "police action."


By Virtue of the Military Commissions Act 2009,approved by Congress!

metalwing's photo
Thu 11/22/12 01:00 PM


So, back to the point, if this 'poor man' was being treated so badly, why didn't the truther movement offer his counsel the evidence to prove 9/11 was 'an inside job' to exonerate him?


Why don't you ask them? You seem to think I'm the president of the 'truther movement.'


Again, your extrapolations are ridiculous. I don't think you're 'president' of anything. Just another evasion, as usual.


The idea that man was the "master mind" of anything is absurd. He can't even speak English in a world where so many people speak five languages. Some mastermind.



Oh, please, that is just inane.



But you must admit it is funny!laugh

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Thu 11/22/12 01:05 PM
Well if you guys really want to believe with all your hearts that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was the evil mastermind behind the 9-11 attacks and it makes you sleep better at night I can't stop you.

But I think you are all pretty gullible and clueless.



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Mastermind of 9/11 attacks takes the stand to say America killed as many people as the terrorists



In a sickening lecture to the crew of lawyers and victim's family members who were in the Guantanamo Bay court, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks said the U.S. government had killed many more people in the name of national security than he is accused of killing.
Khalid Sheik Mohammed addressed the court on Wednesday during a pretrial hearing where he placed blame on the American government rather than accepting any ounce of guilt following his role in the terrorist attacks that killed 2,976 people.
'When the government feels sad for the death or the killing of 3,000 people who were killed on September 11, we also should feel sorry that the American government that was represented by (the chief prosecutor) and others have killed thousands of people, millions,' said Mohammed, who wore a military-style camouflage vest to the courtroom.
His lawyers said previously that Mohammed considers himself a prisoner of war and wanted to wear clothing similar to what he wore as a mujahedeen fighter.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219187/Khalid-Sheikh-Mohammed-Mastermind-9-11-attacks-wears-American-camouflage-vest-court.html#ixzz2CzIKwA4x

InvictusV's photo
Thu 11/22/12 02:00 PM

Well if you guys really want to believe with all your hearts that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was the evil mastermind behind the 9-11 attacks and it makes you sleep better at night I can't stop you.

But I think you are all pretty gullible and clueless.



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Mastermind of 9/11 attacks takes the stand to say America killed as many people as the terrorists



In a sickening lecture to the crew of lawyers and victim's family members who were in the Guantanamo Bay court, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks said the U.S. government had killed many more people in the name of national security than he is accused of killing.
Khalid Sheik Mohammed addressed the court on Wednesday during a pretrial hearing where he placed blame on the American government rather than accepting any ounce of guilt following his role in the terrorist attacks that killed 2,976 people.
'When the government feels sad for the death or the killing of 3,000 people who were killed on September 11, we also should feel sorry that the American government that was represented by (the chief prosecutor) and others have killed thousands of people, millions,' said Mohammed, who wore a military-style camouflage vest to the courtroom.
His lawyers said previously that Mohammed considers himself a prisoner of war and wanted to wear clothing similar to what he wore as a mujahedeen fighter.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2219187/Khalid-Sheikh-Mohammed-Mastermind-9-11-attacks-wears-American-camouflage-vest-court.html#ixzz2CzIKwA4x


I would much rather believe that some reptilian alien that heads the secret society of reptilian aliens was..

with their laser beams and top secret super termites..




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Thu 11/22/12 02:24 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 11/22/12 02:55 PM

Well if you guys really want to believe with all your hearts that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was the evil mastermind behind the 9-11 attacks and it makes you sleep better at night I can't stop you.

But I think you are all pretty gullible and clueless.


That has to be one of your more 'brain-dead' responses. My original post asked a question which you (in your usual fashion cf. the previous four pages) have chosen to dismiss in an asinine fashion, and yet, you make such unfounded charges as these. You really need to hone up on your debating skills and understand causal relationships in the development of an argument. 'Clueless' is more apt when applied to rants that lack any form of documentary support and rely on appeals to emotion, incredulity and grandstanding.


Mastermind of 9/11 attacks takes the stand to say America killed as many people as the terrorists
In a sickening lecture to the crew of lawyers and victim's family members who were in the Guantanamo Bay court, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks said the U.S. government had killed many more people in the name of national security than he is accused of killing.
Khalid Sheik Mohammed addressed the court on Wednesday during a pretrial hearing where he placed blame on the American government rather than accepting any ounce of guilt following his role in the terrorist attacks that killed 2,976 people.
'When the government feels sad for the death or the killing of 3,000 people who were killed on September 11, we also should feel sorry that the American government that was represented by (the chief prosecutor) and others have killed thousands of people, millions,' said Mohammed, who wore a military-style camouflage vest to the courtroom.
His lawyers said previously that Mohammed considers himself a prisoner of war and wanted to wear clothing similar to what he wore as a mujahedeen fighter.


His poor logic is indeed, sickening. laugh




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