Topic: Gotta love that Texas Death Penalty
Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/18/12 04:10 PM
Question: If a person actually does commit first-degree murder, then is capital punishment an appropriate punishment for that person?

willowdraga's photo
Thu 10/18/12 04:15 PM
No, first off because two wrongs don't make it right
second, we cannot be sure if they are guilty
third it costs less to house them then it does to kill them

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Thu 10/18/12 04:19 PM

Question: If a person actually does commit first-degree murder, then is capital punishment an appropriate punishment for that person?

Ask the family of the victim that was killed. They are all victims.

willing2's photo
Thu 10/18/12 04:22 PM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 10/18/12 04:24 PM

No, first off because two wrongs don't make it right
second, we cannot be sure if they are guilty
third it costs less to house them then it does to kill them

Where's the link to prove your claim?
If they did it like the muslims, folks would stand in line to be the wielder of the sword. Whack dem heads!

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Thu 10/18/12 04:24 PM


No, first off because two wrongs don't make it right
second, we cannot be sure if they are guilty
third it costs less to house them then it does to kill them

If they did it like the muslims, folks would stand in line to be the wielder of the sword. Whack dem heads!

How much does it cost to chop off a head?

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/18/12 04:24 PM

No, first off because two wrongs don't make it right


You are begging the question, because you assume that capital punishment is always wrong without proving it.


second, we cannot be sure if they are guilty

In my question, I state, "If a person actually does commit first-degree murder . . ." The question pertains to someone who is actually guilty of first-degree murder. So, your attempt to dance around the question won't work.

third it costs less to house them then it does to kill them


huh On what planet?

By the way, my question is not specific to any particular nation.

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Thu 10/18/12 04:26 PM


No, first off because two wrongs don't make it right


You are begging the question, because you assume that capital punishment is always wrong without proving it.


second, we cannot be sure if they are guilty

In my question, I state, "If a person actually does commit first-degree murder . . ." The question pertains to someone who is actually guilty of first-degree murder. So, your attempt to dance around the question won't work.

third it costs less to house them then it does to kill them


huh On what planet?

By the way, my question is not specific to any particular nation.

or planet?

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/18/12 04:40 PM



No, first off because two wrongs don't make it right


You are begging the question, because you assume that capital punishment is always wrong without proving it.


second, we cannot be sure if they are guilty

In my question, I state, "If a person actually does commit first-degree murder . . ." The question pertains to someone who is actually guilty of first-degree murder. So, your attempt to dance around the question won't work.

third it costs less to house them then it does to kill them


huh On what planet?

By the way, my question is not specific to any particular nation.

or planet?


Well, Daleks don't have an issue with executions.




willowdraga's photo
Thu 10/18/12 04:48 PM


No, first off because two wrongs don't make it right


You are begging the question, because you assume that capital punishment is always wrong without proving it.


second, we cannot be sure if they are guilty

In my question, I state, "If a person actually does commit first-degree murder . . ." The question pertains to someone who is actually guilty of first-degree murder. So, your attempt to dance around the question won't work.

third it costs less to house them then it does to kill them


huh On what planet?

By the way, my question is not specific to any particular nation.


First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.

I really hate that I have to do the same homework for folks over and over and over....huh


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/#.UICUPoaz5vY

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-03-07-exepensive-to-execute_N.htm

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/CostsRptFinal.pdf

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

No more homework for you guys. You need to get informed about what you endorse. For real.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/18/12 04:50 PM
First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.


According to what law?

willing2's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:16 PM

First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.


According to what law?

Even the bible sanctions killing in defense.

The muslims kill just because they can.

Kid pees on a quran, cut off his head. A woman gets raped, stone her.

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:21 PM


First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.


According to what law?

Even the bible sanctions killing in defense.

The muslims kill just because they can.

Kid pees on a quran, cut off his head. A woman gets raped, stone her.


Hold on! There is no need to use this topic to belittle all Muslims. Doing so distracts from the topic. :angry:


Again, what law says that all killing is wrong?

Is it wrong to kill in order to avoid being killed?

willing2's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:27 PM



First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.


According to what law?

Even the bible sanctions killing in defense.

The muslims kill just because they can.

Kid pees on a quran, cut off his head. A woman gets raped, stone her.


Hold on! There is no need to use this topic to belittle all Muslims. Doing so distracts from the topic. :angry:


Again, what law says that all killing is wrong?

Is it wrong to kill in order to avoid being killed?

My apologies from distracting from the topic. No fue mis entenciones.
There are those who will damn the actions of executing criminals while defending the executions of innocents.

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Thu 10/18/12 05:39 PM
Don't kill in Texas cause we kill you back.biggrin

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:41 PM

Question: If a person actually does commit first-degree murder, then is capital punishment an appropriate punishment for that person?


not in my opinion

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:43 PM


First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.


According to what law?

Even the bible sanctions killing in defense.

The muslims kill just because they can.

Kid pees on a quran, cut off his head. A woman gets raped, stone her.



does the bible define defense as a non victim being paid to take the life of someone who victimized someone else,,?

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Thu 10/18/12 05:46 PM



First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.


According to what law?

Even the bible sanctions killing in defense.

The muslims kill just because they can.

Kid pees on a quran, cut off his head. A woman gets raped, stone her.



does the bible define defense as a non victim being paid to take the life of someone who victimized someone else,,?

Texas Law does.

willing2's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:50 PM
Mexico whines.

The whine because the US used to send their criminals back to Mwxico. Now, oBlowme gave them amnesty.

Mexico whined about this POS getting executed.

Some mo-fos just can't be pleased.

Mexican national executed in Texas
By Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer
July 7, 2011 9:30 p.m. EDT
Humberto Leal Garcia Jr., 38, was convicted of raping Adria Sauceda, 16, in San Antonio, Texas, and then killing her.
Humberto Leal Garcia Jr., 38, was convicted of raping Adria Sauceda, 16, in San Antonio, Texas, and then killing her.


NEW: Mexico condemns execution of Humberto Leal Garcia Jr. in Texas


(CNN) -- Humberto Leal Garcia Jr., a Mexican national convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl in 1994, was executed by lethal injection Thursday evening in Texas.

The case's flurry of legal appeals and pleas for clemency were prompted by an international dispute over the rights of the foreign-born on American death rows.

The Supreme Court earlier denied a stay of execution for the convicted killer, despite opposition from the Obama administration and the Mexican government.

Leal was pronounced dead at 6:21 p.m. CT (7:21 p.m. ET), according to a corrections spokeswoman.

"I am sorry for everything I have done," Leal said at the Huntsville facility before he was executed. "I have hurt a lot of people. Let this be final and be done. I take the full blame for this."

Leal then shouted "Viva Mexico," followed by "I'm ready warden, let's get the show on the road."

His last meal consisted of fried chicken, pico de gallo, tacos, two colas and a bowl of fried okra.

What made Leal's conviction unusual was that he was not informed about his right to contact the Mexican consulate upon his arrest -- a right guaranteed under a binding international treaty. Leal's appellate lawyers argued such access could at the very least have kept Leal off death row.

Mexico strongly condemned the execution, saying it violated an International Court of Justice ruling ordering the United States to review capital convictions of Mexican nationals.

Leal, 38, was convicted of raping Adria Sauceda, a 16-year-old girl in San Antonio, and then fatally strangling and bludgeoning her with a 35-pound piece of asphalt in 1994.

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Thu 10/18/12 05:51 PM




First off Killing is wrong no matter who sanctions it so it doesn't matter if someone is innocent or not.


According to what law?

Even the bible sanctions killing in defense.

The muslims kill just because they can.

Kid pees on a quran, cut off his head. A woman gets raped, stone her.



does the bible define defense as a non victim being paid to take the life of someone who victimized someone else,,?

Texas Law does.


thats the thing about law, it has a top and the top defining the law can rarely therefore be guilty of breaking it because they have the power to DEFINE what the law is

for instance, If jane doe kills bob smith whom she believes hole heartedly caused her mothers death,, its illegal

if a government kills bob smith because a JURY believes wholehearted he caused janes death,,,,its legal

,,different authority, same action,

willowdraga's photo
Thu 10/18/12 05:52 PM
David, it is the law of intelligence that makes that a truth. Not a law made by man. If a mind gets intelligent enough it realizes that killing answers no resolution.

A person can defend themselves without killing. So killing is not a necessity. Also realized when a mind reaches a certain level of growth.