Aren't you begging the question then?
Aren't you assuming what you have yet to prove?

Although one may not be able to prove an individual act of racism (due to a lack of witnesses), one would be able to prove a current example of institutional racism if it exists.

That is what the AP story in the OP does. Those Florida education officials have openly revealed that they expect a student's race to determine how well that student does academically.

Again, I find it odd (at best) that someone would downplay proven claims of current racism, while expecting others to believe unproven claims of current racism. It looks as if someone is using a double standard.

but Asians can't drive.
I would just like to see a good example.

I suggest that you don't say that when Lucy Liu is present.



She doesn't respond well to criticism.

there is no claim in this forum 'proven' to be racism

they are all alleged to be racism, just like any other allegation of racism is,,,

Do you realize that you just shot down your previous claims that people are suffering from current institutional racism?

not at all, institutional racism can be proven by documented history and its affects can be shown by various numbers showing the continued racial disparities,,,

Institutional racism can also be proven when its implementation is announced, which is what the AP story in the OP does, and when it is openly promoted, as actor Samuel L. Jackson, rapper Snoop Dogg and radio host Tom Joyner did (Information Source).

ok

if we go back to the basic definition of racism as anything that takes race into consideration,,,we can show a form of racism in the op


likewise, we can show a divide in wealth, in which race becomes a factor

we can show a divide in educational attainment, in which race becomes a factor

we can show a divide in incarceration rates, in which race becomes a factor

we can show a divide in healthcare access, in which race becomes a factor,,,


whether some will believe those issues 'prove' a negative type of racism is certainly subjective

whether some of us will find the op a type of negative racism, is also subjective

not all racism is negative when its considering race that seems to be a significant factor of the total equation,,,and trying to improve the situation in question,,,

Is racism deserved?

racism is too broad to have a definitive answer


racism to oppress is not deserved, racism to raise up the oppressed is,,,

Deserved? Deserved?

deserved is admittedly a very poor choice of words

racism can be a virus and sometimes we fight virus with an anti virus

Willing, i agree with both of your statements, separately, but I would not agree that Florida schools are assuming asians are smart or africans are dumb.


Students from different demographic groups may have different performance levels in school. If this is a fact, then its a fact. It doesn't mean anyone is smarter than anyone else, it could also mean that the quality of the instruction or the culture of the classroom varies with the school, which in turn have differing racial compositions.

But even if it is a fact that the difference races are performing at different levels academically in some school system, I still feel it is 'promoting racism' to publish goals and guidelines which have different targets for different racial groups based on these facts.


Edit: If I say "the 200 black students in our schools averaged an 84% on this test, and the 100 asians students averaged an 89%" then I'm not "being racist" nor "promoting racism", I'm stating a fact about what has occurred.

If I say: "lets try to get those scores up to 90% for the black students and 95% for the asian students", well that could be promoting racism. It could easily be seen as saying that you don't think its realistic for black students average a 95. It looks like you are giving up on the black students before you even start.

You can make factual statements about what has happened and not be racist, but when you make race based goal standards, its too easy to interpret this as suggesting some groups are 'less capable'.

It's not politically correct to say this, but I think MsHarmony is right. It depends on the definition being used and the circumstances.


The way some people use the word racist, it would be racist to test someone with african genetics for sickle cell anemia in situations where you would not test someone with european genetics. It might be racist, but it would also be smart.

Also, the way that some people use the word racist, affirmative action is also 'racist', but many people believe that many aspects of affirmative action have a positive influence.


If you want to insist that 'racist' = 'bad', then I think you have to be clear and precise about what you mean by 'racist'.