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Topic: N.J. appeals court upholds dismissal of ex-girlfriend's laws
andrewzooms Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 2842	Sun 10/14/12 05:07 PM
Folks, it does no good for two people to have a philosophical debate when the two have nothing philosophical in common. But, this isn't a philosophical question. What's the difference between death by abortion and death by war or cancer or old age? Would I miss my mother differently if she'd been hit by a bus or fell off a roof? What is the difference between an abortion and an execution? A fetus is unable to live outside of the womb therefore it is not a human being.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Sun 10/14/12 05:14 PM
A fetus is unable to live outside of the womb therefore it is not a human being. A human fetus has a heart beat, brain activity and a gender. So, it is a human being even if you don't recognize it as being one.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sun 10/14/12 05:20 PM
Will abortion for certain ages or for folks who don't have the means to care for kids without relying on Gov aid ever become mandatory?

TexasScoundrel Joined Wed 10/29/08 Posts: 3693	Sun 10/14/12 05:20 PM
Now, this is a philosophical argument. trying to draw a line between what is life and what isn't.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Sun 10/14/12 05:31 PM
Now, this is a philosophical argument. trying to draw a line between what is life and what isn't. In medical science, a person's life is considered to be at an end when that person's heartbeat and brain activity have stopped. So, why isn't the beginning of a person's heartbeat and brain activity considered to be the start of that person's life?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/14/12 05:50 PM
Folks, it does no good for two people to have a philosophical debate when the two have nothing philosophical in common. But, this isn't a philosophical question. What's the difference between death by abortion and death by war or cancer or old age? Would I miss my mother differently if she'd been hit by a bus or fell off a roof? What is the difference between an abortion and an execution? A fetus is unable to live outside of the womb therefore it is not a human being. it is still human life, has everything it needs to DECELOP into life that lives outside the womb

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/14/12 05:52 PM
Will abortion for certain ages or for folks who don't have the means to care for kids without relying on Gov aid ever become mandatory? lets hope not, I hope we can change the mainstream irresponsibility where sex is concerned,,,, and do more preventative work in the area of preventing pregnancy as opposed to preventing birth,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/14/12 05:54 PM
Are you agreeing than an abortion is a form of execution? No. I asking why the vehicle of death matters. All death is a tragedy. Why should one be more or less tragic than another? I think it matters to some whether death is natural or accidental in which nature and circumstance can be held responsible or whether human actions intentionally cause death,,in which a person can be held accountable,,,

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Sun 10/14/12 05:55 PM
Will abortion for certain ages or for folks who don't have the means to care for kids without relying on Gov aid ever become mandatory? lets hope not, I hope we can change the mainstream irresponsibility where sex is concerned,,,, and do more preventative work in the area of preventing pregnancy as opposed to preventing birth,,, I did say something earlier about the use of birth control.

andrewzooms Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 2842	Sun 10/14/12 06:00 PM
"Boy these conservatives are really something aren't they? they're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn but once you're born you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no daycare, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're pre-born you're fine. If you're preschool you're f***ed." George Carlin

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/14/12 06:04 PM
"Boy these conservatives are really something aren't they? they're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn but once you're born you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no daycare, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're pre-born you're fine. If you're preschool you're f***ed." George Carlin I agree, there is inconsistency all over the place some support abortion but oppose death penalty and vice versa I consistently oppose premeditated ending of (otherwise naturally progressing) life ,whether its in the womb or in a prison system I consistently support people contributing to the continued availability of opportunities for all, even after they 'get theirs',,, life is valuable in all its stages,,,

andrewzooms Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 2842	Sun 10/14/12 06:09 PM
So a woman is raped and has to have that child. That is not right at all. That sperm was not consented and now that woman has to wear that child as a badge of honor for a rapist. That life was not wanted.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/14/12 06:13 PM
So a woman is raped and has to have that child. That is not right at all. That sperm was not consented and now that woman has to wear that child as a badge of honor for a rapist. That life was not wanted. I understand and sympathize with it, and I certainly dont hold that as the same level as those who are merely using it as birth control to save money I still dont personally think abortion is the right choice women wear badges of rape in many different ways, from personal experience aborting , in my opinion, does not eliminate that process

TexasScoundrel Joined Wed 10/29/08 Posts: 3693	Sun 10/14/12 06:14 PM
I did say something earlier about the use of birth control. Abortion is a form of birth control.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sun 10/14/12 06:15 PM
I did say something earlier about the use of birth control. Abortion is a form of birth control. sadly

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Sun 10/14/12 06:25 PM
"Boy these conservatives are really something aren't they? they're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn but once you're born you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no daycare, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're pre-born you're fine. If you're preschool you're f***ed." George Carlin George Carlin was wrong.

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Sun 10/14/12 06:27 PM
I did say something earlier about the use of birth control. Abortion is a form of birth control. When an abortion involves a fetus having a heartbeat, brain activity and gender, that abortion is also an execution.

TexasScoundrel Joined Wed 10/29/08 Posts: 3693	Sun 10/14/12 06:45 PM
When an abortion involves a fetus having a heartbeat, brain activity and gender, that abortion is also an execution. The US Supreme Court disagrees with you on this point. My own view is that it's irrelevant. Death is death no matter the cause.

alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Sun 10/14/12 06:45 PM
Is birth control a form of abortion?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48928	Sun 10/14/12 06:50 PM
When an abortion involves a fetus having a heartbeat, brain activity and gender, that abortion is also an execution. The US Supreme Court disagrees with you on this point. My own view is that it's irrelevant. Death is death no matter the cause. I did not say that abortion (in the USA) unconstitutional. I simply said that it is an execution under certain circumstances, and the State does permit executions under certain circumstances.