I think oaths must be taken very seriously. I never been married, so I don't know, I never dunit, but I was present at weddings and I never heard any of the marrying couples say any promises to not have sex outside the marriage.

I could be wrong, and I will stand with high respect corrected. I just don't remember any specific passage in the Christian rites that say "I won't touch another one, don't worry." It does say they will stick it out together, and the Roman Catholics mean that, but... like I said... the part of the oath to not cheat is not something I remember.

The divorcers in christian faiths... are they not breaking their oath? they don't say "until death do us part, or a successful divorce". They just say "until death do us part", and they, the evangelists and the protestants, certainly don't keep this part of the Holy Oath of Matrimony.

I find it hypocritical to hold people against one part of the oath, but not to the other part. What`s the reason for the double standards? Who decides what part of the Holy Oath is negligible, and what part is not? Those who decide, do they have to give a reason?

Young and Beautiful Angel, please do not support your arguments with religious references in the future. Religions, any religion, and their dogmas, are replete with so many logical self-contradiction, that they are a matter of faith, not a matter of logic. Can`t be a matter of logic, only of faith. So please don`t leave your faith, and enjoy it, but just don`t use the tenets of it in logical arguments, because religious faith and any logic are not compatible in lines of argument.

Anyone can help me jog my memory? Does the Oath of Holy Matrimony mention exclusive sexual fidelity?

I am guessing angel refers to me. LOL
My views on marriage are in no way religious. I guess there are people that marry for other reasons and some that even agree to open marriage. To each their own...
As far as my view on fidelity...and forsaking all others, be faithful to only you so long as we both shall live...is a verbal fidelity agreement. Even if ones wedding vows do not contain those exact words, marriage should imply a nonverbal agreement that cheating will not be allowed.
I should not assume that everyone has the same values as me though. I am divorced and think of that as the death of my marriage. Even as a single person if I am in a commited relationship with someone I would never consider cheating. Isn't that what commitment is all about.
But you are right, who am I to judge what another person thinks is right...
And BTW being in the medical field I know it is not appropriate for any md anywhere to have sex with a patient.

He hasn't specified what the law reads. He lives in India.

I work with many MD's from India. The MD oath is the same.

Thaxs friends actually i am offered for sex on duty SECONDLY i am married one ..thirdly she was my patient fourthly i consider hospital as worship place ....thats why i get shocked after gearing the offer . Even i cant sleep whole night thats why i decided to invit ur ideas all over the matter

Well...
if you're married and you're still trolling on here for a "woman for dating," you might as well tap every Skeezy McSkeezerson that walks through the door
Here, have a banana

We are not all pigs.

Thanks for your honest and candid reply, Beautiful Angel.

I was more interested about the technicalities there. Because it occurred to me that the entire requirement of staying faithful is not laid down in relgious or in civil law, or morality. It is an assumed principle, and it is going around in our societies, but at the same time it's just a common, solidified opinion that a lot of people have bought into.

Whereas the law, and the Christian relgion says nothing forbidding about pre- or extramarital love. At least not on the oath-level.

It made me think, your post did, and I thank you for that.

What a long history of misinterpreting laws!

It's like when the priests went celibate, the Christian priests, in the seventh century AD., then the papal decree actually said, "and the men of the cloth must live a celeberated life..." etc. He had a bad handwriting, that good ole' well-meaning St. Augustine the XLCCXXKDKDLMVII, did.

People read what they want to read, even if it's not there.

Yes, this applies to you, Beautifl Angel, but it applies to 7 billion other people before you in the two thousand years of Christiandom.

It is I who must feel stuppid, instead, for not being so stupid as to accept evertything as it is written, now how others tell me it is written.

Wuz. I like that my iPhone keeps changing your name to wiz.

Your couple posts brink up like a zillion topics in relation, to the Christian religion wich makes my reply

But just to reference a couple.

Short answer. People who chose a Christian walk are not Trying to be sin free. They are accepting the impossibility of not sinning and accepting Gods firgiveness for sin as they look to Him to help them learn to be less sinful. Christians who try and appear to the world as sinless do show the world hypocrisy. The christian that shows peace even as a sinner shows faith.

I like angels response about the different way people take wedding vows including those that define there marriage as open. Those are still vows. So if someone, religious or not, takes a vow of faithfulness in marriage, cheating isn't allowed. Breaking a vow hurts the breaker as much as the victim.

But back to Christians and divorce. This is a loooooong subject. Short version. In the christian faith, The lord intended for man and woman to come together and stay together. Two Christians are not to divorce. If your married to a non Christian and they want to leave, in the name of peace let them leave. But when there is unfaithfulness and one spouse breaks their vow by having rations with someone else and you cannot get past it, the lord allows a Christian to divorce another Christian freeing one and binding the other.

So yes, vows in christian faith are taken seriously. And we all will fall short in our attempt to uphold them all.

You seem to be mulling over the problem. If you're even questioning yourself about it, then this tells me that you were willing to sleep with her, because there was no definitive answer for you. If someone questions about something, then this means they are not sure what to do/which way to go. I wonder what made your patient flirt with you. I just think she may be in desperation. Suffering really intensely in life. Especially to ask a dr something like this.

Hummm guess I'm a bit curious if one is a Doctor @ the age of 24 and married. Why bother asking that question if they are in fact seeking others??? First of all I sure would not risk my lively hood just for sex...

I know here in the states to become a Doctor it takes at least 10 years of medical school. Not sure if it takes less there or if your pre-med...

Hi i started my degree at age of 18 and completed at age og 23 i am practicing my duty since 2 yeard

Really. That's young, even by Asian standards. That would mean you're a genius, which should have been apparent, at the least, through your language skills. In India, I was told by a former Indian colleague, that good schools and intelligent students have a great grasp of the English language. I've worked with a lot of doctors and nurses from all over India and I've never seen any one of them construct sentences like you. You must be entirely and unusually...different.

Cute!!

Hey speak for yourself. Oh wait. ...... Wait wait...... Oh never mind.

you're a married man on a dating site 'looking for a woman for dating', so why would you even bothering asking this question? it's pretty evident you want sex with someone other than your wife....just saying...

Physician, take matters into your own hands and "heal thyself"!

Nice answer. It truly reflects what you think. Well spoken, too.

My beef is not about the breaking of the marriage vow. My exact question is: does the marriage vow make any reference to cheating, to marital infidelity, and the reference is a definite "no, you shouldn't".

In some sects of Christianity, like in RC, and the Anglican sects, and probably in others as well, there is a set text that can't be changed, which forms the holy chant.

My question is zooming on in this text, and my question concerns itself with nothing else: in Christian religions, in which the marriage vow is set and unchangeable, is there a reference, or a verbiage, that excludes definitely and irrevokably the possiblity of extramariatal sex?

And if someone can tell me where I could find such text in bona fide word=for=word exactness to the holy chant that the priest reads onto the marrying couple.

beyond this, at the current time, I need no other knowledge explained or given. The reason is that I can only take in one piece of information at a time. If you tell me the answer, please don't give me a commentary. At the time that you give me the answer. I don't mean to silence you, I just ask you to slice your message into two: In one message, tell me what the prescribed marriage vow is, and in another message, even in the very next post, please feel free to tell me your commentary.

What I need to know is the exact wording in English that Anglican and RC couples take at the time of joining together in holy matrimony in front of god.

That's all I want to know.

And the only reason I want to hear the Anglican and RC vows, is because they are set, unchanging, codified. That's the only reason I want to hear those before the changeable Evangelistic rituals. If someone can tell me an unchangeable protestant (Lutheran or Calvinist) vow, that'd be just as good as the Anglican and the RC. The others are valid if you like, I won't argue, but I need to hear those which can't be changed from a set form.

That's all.

Thanks.

I vouch for that. In Hungary, Europe, medical training is also six years, roughly from 17-18 years of age to 23-24. Assuming all passes of all subjects in all years.

however, in Hungary, the age of majority, when one can get married, is 27. This is to curb the population growth, and to allow everybody to finish school before they'd have distractions in their lives before graduation, like wife, kids, sex, or love.

On the other hand, alcohol- and nicotine consumption is regulated in the books, but violations of those are never, ever, persecuted. I started smoking when I was ten, and got regularly drunk after age 13 when still in hungary. You could get drunk in any public place, and sometimes the neighbourhood kids, about six or ten of us, would go to a restaurant to buy drinks and get drunk. Not one of us was over 15.

I think this is again to curb the population growth. In more than one way. (Like I never surpassed 5'4", because of my heavy drinking and smoking while my body ought to have still been growing.)

I am not saying it's a good thing, but it is allowed.

Not everything is the same everywhere.

There are some things that are the same thing everywhere, and the Hyppocratic oath, which every doctor takes at graduation, is the same. And there is no forbidding in it form doctors having sex with their patients. Sexing your patient is not going against your oath that you had to take as a doctor.

But laws are now against that. however, they are legal laws, which can and are liable to punish you by legal means, such as with fines, and restriction of rights, and physical freedom. The Hyppocratic oath, like all oaths, make your undying soul to be at stake, not your legal rights.

Discern, discern, discern.

...and forsaking all others, be faithful to only you so long as we both shall live...

What part of this sentence is not clear??? It astounds me how one could take this topic and go round and round in circles asking if marriage means fidelity. It is obvious this MD does not honor fidelity or his oath as a doctor.
Commitment I guess is not the same for everyone....