You talkin' to me?

indirectly perhaps

OK, who telekinetically pinched my bum?

I couldn't resist


Hi Harrryyy

Hi Miss

What a pleasure to cross paths 'redykeulous'!

I was wondering where you had gone to!

Was just praising you with another fellow poster!!!

Anyhow, fortune tellers?!?!?!

As far as I concerned, I can only tackle the question from the angle of our own nature. The part about not being confortable with not knowing, and its correlate, HAVING TO KNOW!!! Humans can't stand empty spaces they're aware. What they do with those is fill them with stuff, real or fake doesn't matter. What'S imoportant is fill the space. With the unconscious, it is the same save the pursuit.

We cannot pursue the filling of an empty space we are unconscious of. Bt the space is nonetheless empty. The socalled 'future', especially ours, is the largest and most compelling of those empty 'would like to know' spaces.

Given that we have falsely conceived the future out there, ourside of us, and unaccessible in time, it is not surprising that we don't master being PRESENT to it. No one would spend any time BEING PRESENT to a physical peiod that isn't there.

So we are not present to the future.

Where it gets tricky, is that when someone does not share this concept of the future being out there, but being very part of the 'here and now', 'pre' 'sence', sensing before!!! They become 'visionaries', 'futurists', 'wise ones', etc.

On the other hand, there ar some whom realize the need for peope to fill out empty spaces, and take huge advantage of this vulnerability, irreponsibility.

The key is that it is all here, for all of us. It is our paradigm that cuts us from accessing this so-called future which we erroneously put out there in time.

Those whom are more in tune with what they 'sense', from other area of the brain, than the way too rational 'neo-cortex', can be in touch with things present, far beyond their own. When these people are honest and humble, they will tell you exactly that, not take any credit for their so-called visionary non-taltent, and simple say that it is easier to see another person or group of people's perspective than it is your own.

Maybe it is tough to grasp for most of us, but all of it is here, and always been and forever play no part in it.

Those whom don't acknowkledge this particular aspect of telling the future, is noting other than being 'here and now' for all of us, IMO are simple charlatans.

Conscious and reponsible of that fundamental paradigm, any honest context that stimulates us away from our neo-cortex 'cartesian' slavery, and deepen our 'sense' of 'pre' (what's coming, given...), pre-sensing, being present to the whole, and the fact that 'we' are the whole thing, can only be enlightening and salutary!!! In my humble and hopefully responsible opinion.

...taking it from that perspective it is all about 'possibles' and probabilities at for any given (present) moment.

Hi Voil, so happy to be in the same room with you again.

Bl8ant and her beautiful ability to call a spade a shovel was quite accurate in her post. Gypsy, I didn't see that she was pointing her remarks in any singular direction other than those outside this topic. But she speaks the truth, for I have also witnessed what she has. What she related deals with what my own concern over the term "open mind" might be. In fact someone pointed out to me that the experience I related in the beginning of this topic, might actually have been a suggestion, that I internalized and thus, phisiologically my body did what my mind believed would happen. Until this person told me this, I had not considered it, even though, I know the theory and understand it well. So I'm inclined to believe I followed a suggestion, rather than proving a prophecy.

Eljay, thanks for the clarification of what you believe. I can not help but wonder at all these acts we call the paranormal or the supernatural.

Voil, of couse, rides in and sums it all up. In his summary he allows for the belief, while explaining a theory that makes it such a point of interest to us all.

So for all of us, Eljay, Bl8ant, Gypsy and myself, it seems we have all made points worth the sharing, and that we have all had experiences that pierce the immagination.

So happy to have shared these thoughts with you all. Thanks.

I believe......
I believe there are people that can see things. Pinpoint an exact time or date? No, but I do believe people can see things that will be. I often wonder though whether they actually have psychic abilities, or if they just have intelligence, and a fine intuitive ability. Like bl8ant said, an ability to put events happening today together (2+2,) and see what will be if it continues down the same path (=4.)

I also believe that for every one person that actually has this ability, seeing or 2+2=4, there are 100 more that will take advantage of peoples naivety and blindness to make a quick buck. The people who truly can see or put 2+2 together are generally silent. Except in the rare instance they might tell a close confidant. They are silent for fear of being labeled crazy, or effecting someones life in a negative manner.

If you knew someone would die in a week. Would you tell them so they worried for a week, or not tell them so they can live in a more normal fashion for the week?

fanta what r u doing here?
here u just will find christians and non christians.
not republicans or democrats

being the child of a psychologist, i've seen what such suggestions can do...to the point of mental abuse. children that are told repeatedly that they are good for nothing, for example, might just become that. a wife that hears daily how stupid she is and how she'd be nothing without her husband...

the mind is amazing.

that said, i do think that there are forms of "psychic prediction", but i look at it a bit differently. i don't see it as pulling something out of thin air, but another form of communication that we pick up on with our awesome brains.

my mother used to really focus on these things, and she was pretty good at telling us things..."such-n-such is fixing to call" RING!!! "so-n-so is coming over, and he'll be wearing a white suit for some reason. he should be here any minute." DING-DONG!

mom was convinced that it was something you had to work at, and that it was just listening to what our brains had picked up on.

my grandmother was similar. i remember her being paralyzed and in bed from multiple strokes, when my aunt was in a car-wreck. my aunt was pregnant, and had a two-year-old. after receiving the phone call, they headed to the hospital, being VERY careful not to mention anything to grandma, because of her fragile health.

grandma immediately asked how laura was...then asked if they had found the baby. at first, we thought she was talking about the baby she was pregnant with...(it can be hard to understand someone when half of their face is paralyzed), but then we figured it out. she kept saying that the baby was lost. my aunt was found in the truck by herself. after a call, they put out a search for my cousin...and found him a few hours later. he had wandered off after the accident, into the woods. without my grandmother, he would have died.

when jordan was four, she walked up to me, tapped me on the belly, and said, "there's a baby in your belly and it's a girl!" she repeated this several times, so i ran out and took a test. negative. five days later, i took another...and it was positive. she knew before it was even possible to be tested for.

guess what? it was a girl!

i've had several instances where a gut-feeling told me something...and it's always been correct. a trip i was supposed to be on ended up in a fatal car wreck; an engagement i was supposed to be at ended in violent rape; a house i left ended up burnt down. was i picking up on wave-lengths that we normally don't hear?

no clue.

Your right TLW. I dont talk about my faith in a public forum, almost never. This thread, however is not about faith or religion in my opinion, but tit is a topic that interests me.


I used to visit the top more often, but I got tired of the chase the stupid thread game. You know 3 pages a day about, do you think I'm pretty, or do you like anal sex...
Dumb immature asinine topics like that!!!

i absolutely agree with u my friend
but that is the modus vivendu of some people
let them be

Those are some interesting examples lulu, but do you think some could be attributed to intelligence and a natural intuitive ability?

I do my friend. I like politics anyway!!!

I was told the other day that I have an exagerrated sense of fairness and ethics, and that it was delussional to expect that from others. I disagree, and believe the majority feel the same way. Truth and honesty are not lost human traits, or a delussional expectation.

that's exactly what i think, fanta...the majority of people use about ten percent of their brains. i think that those who are "psychic" are actually using more...and picking up signals that the rest of us are missing.

Exactly!!!! I don't claim to "know all" but certain things that have happened in my life....you can't explain with pure science only. I believe everyone has it, whether they tap into it is the only difference.

I have not claimed to have been with aliens.......yet, lol, but I do and know there are things we cannot explain and Ive heard all of the skeptics here and elsewhere....it just doesnt matter to me........

What Ive seen, dreamt, had visions of, felt, whatever....its helped in alot of aspects in my life....never charged anyone for it because for me I am not "always" on.....and I don't think I could charge anyone for the fact of it is......most of the time I have premonitions of bad things....or things that have occured without me there....

I can't explain it and I wont, because I cant.......but for the skeptics they can all live in their little box houses and live the way they do in their own harmony

Ok.....now I need some pregnant horse's urine for my ritualist spell of the day!!!