Which is the opposite of what Obama has been preaching about bringing back....

Realist News' Guy Jsnip4's take on this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yef946Coa98&feature=em-uploademail

The middle class has already been wiped out here in Canada but that was years ago. We have rich and poor now. So, if it makes you feel any better; our country is in the same boat so to speak.

see how fast that wipeout happens if certain politicians succeed in making us a privatized country,,,,,

DUH! America IS a privatized country...the DESTRUCTION of the Middle Class is the RESULT of SOCIALIST policies of the last FOUR years...SOCIALISM doesn't allow for a Middle Class...READ SOME HISTORY.

The STUPID here burns sooo much.

private and social are two different things

a privatized country, as I used the term, refers to one that is RUN by private industry


a socialist country , is one where goods and production are CONTROLLED And RUN by government

Im not a fan of either, but we have never been CLOSE to a socialist country


we are supposed to be for the 'people' and by the 'people'

but our country has for a while been marketing and promoting the idea that we should only be concerned with supporting and looking out for the corporations and elite INSTEAD of 'the people'

and when 'the people' have to rely on PRIVATE and CORPORATE control of everything they NEED, we will see a much greater shift in the divide between the rich and the poor and the disappearance of a 'middle'

The destruction of the middle class began a few decades ago as did the propaganda machine that would have you believe that Obama and the poor have taken us down in less than 1/2 a decade.
Capitalism, socialism, communism can all lead to totalitarianism when corporations become people.
This is more ignorance than stupidity. Read Animal Farm.

As a member of the poor, I hardly notice the changes.

I have noticed that prices for goods and food are going up, wages are going down and packages have less ounces in them than before.

the usa has become quite socialistic by taxing the hell out of businesses and the rich which is highway robbery and "giving" it to the poor. by giving anything away, it assures that it build a dependence on those who have (the government) and those who have not (the poor). keep the poor poorer and making the middle class turn poor is an excellent way to keep people down by helping everyone stay in low spirits because of lack of money, lack of jobs, high debt, and poor health practices because it cost a lot of money to eat healthy and pay for gym memberships, etc. that's quite excellent to get people to be dependent and hand over their power to the all mighty government.

the backstory really is the government inflict a lot of rules, regulations against businesses and people are not in business for charity. people go into business to make a profit and no one can make a profit if they're being charged up the ying yang by their own gov't so what do the businesses do? they outsource the jobs to 3rd world countries who'll do the labor for less because the "low" wages they're paid would actually support them in their countries. in a time of crisis, no gov't should be punishing those who have the money and ability to create wealth. the wealthy people are the ones who create jobs for us regular people who depend on those meager jobs to make some money to pay our bills and living expenses.
i find it a crying shame that a lot of people in this country don't quite grasp the concept that wealth is created, it is not to be distributed like a slice of a pie. punishing the wealth creators is evil and socialistic.

obama has managed to plunge this country into a bleak, jobless, dark, depressing, bottomless pit. he likes popularity and uses his celebrity connections and backing to get by these past 4 years but as far as him actuing doing anything about the major economic problems that the states have been plagued with, no progress can ever be reported that would possibly bring any sign of hope that we can get out of this major depression any time soon.

i'm seriously afraid this will last another decade. as far as how this drastic effects me on the personal level, i'm afraid i won't be able to find steady jobs anymore and this will definitely effect my mate selection because i do want to find someone, marry, and have a family. the possibility of having a family in this bleak time is pretty much nil.

Hence more and more people are switching to libertarianism. Smaller government is the way to go

i couldn't agree more with your last statement...but,

"if he's a socialist, he's a lousy one"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeTecM7osMQ&feature=share&list=PL063BB5F3F48C94FA

(start vid at the 2 min. point)

if you really think the "DESTRUCTION of the Middle Class" started four years ago, it is you that needs to do some reading.

I don't think there is a destruction of the middle class. I think people who are not middle class but are working class feel there is destruction which probably there is. White collar work is middle class if you don't control means of production. Blue collar work is working class. In fact our society is moving away from working class and opening more spots in the middle class.

Did you watch the video and listen to the stats?

What do you think the "middle class" is?

People who make under $13.00 per hour full time are classified as poverty level. They can't support a house and family.




Realist News' Guy Jsnip4's take on this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yef946Coa98&feature=em-uploademail

Some of it is natural. If you wanted to buy a refrigerator in 1946, you bought an American one. The rest of the industrialized world was bombed out. Today, we compete with MANY countries. Of course, our politicians have sold us with NAFTA, GATT, etc. But really, you may as well get used to it. It's going to be worse. Any mature ladies in Southern Missouri? ;)

The middle class? Working professionals and managers etc. People who are paid to think and give opinions as opposed to just doing work. People go to a dentist. Want his opinion on stuff. He makes decisions etc. Middle to middle upper class. Dental assistant does specific tasks under dentists instructions. Opinions are not requested, just work. Working class.

Yea I watched the guy driving while recording a video and not wearing a seatbelt. For one his logic is flawed in thinking jobs lost is equal to jobs created. Not to mention people retire, die, quit, etc which involves hiring without creating a job. Second he is looking at class as salary. This is incorrect. According to his idea if one construction workers makes $12/hr and another makes $15/hr they are in different classes. I say they are both working class with different salaries. Our society is shifting away from labor jobs and moving towards professionals. The middle class isn't being destroyed, it's shifting to a more advanced level. probably in our lifetime lots of labor jobs will be lost to robotics. It's already happening.

He also said that the "unemployment" statistics are never accurate. What he was saying is that people are losing higher paying jobs (middle class) and then getting lower paying jobs (poverty level).

The "numbers" never reflect what is really going on.

The middle class is disappearing.

I'm not one of the middle class, so I guess I'm safe. LOL

unemployment isnt meant as an indicator of class or poverty

I dont think there is a universal description for 'upper/lower/middle class but from my own perspective


I see 'lower' class as anyone having to work just to survive, with little to no significant assets or actual wealth (not to be confused with INCOME)


I see the middle class as anyone working to survive and maintain or grow their assets, capital or wealth

I see the upper class as anyone with the assets, capital, or wealth which affords them the capability of no longer having to work,,,



the middle class is that place people find themself in on their way FROM lower class to upper class

but, because of the growing power of 'wealth'(as opposed to money) and the growing neutralization of community and ethics, that middle class is growing smaller and smaller

we have many more people now stuck or sent back to lower class, and many more now in 'upper' class than ever before and its going to grow as long as we place love of money above love of neighbor,

as long as we feed each other the 'masters' rhetoric about being useless and valueless and irrelevant without wealth,, the 'masters' place will continue to be set in stone,,,,

Who are the 'masters'...?

i don't think this is an obama thing, it started way before obama, it started with clinton and his poor policies, like lowering the standard where credit unworthy people could get credit and buy a house.