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Topic: Clinton A good lawyer defending a guilty client
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Wed 09/05/12 11:21 PM
You could see all the rhetorical sleights of hand, the magic of a delivery, the wit of the argument, the sarcastic sallies against the other side. All of that was in former President Bill Clinton’s speech at the Democratic Convention on Wednesday night. But it was clear, as he spoke, that his client was guilty of being a very bad president who has accomplished very little.

President Clinton’s record is by now so well known that each of us was silently mouthing to ourselves as he spoke about the contrast between his record and Obama’s. “We face a long hard slog to recovery” he intoned. But we remembered how he created six million new net jobs right after he took office (by the end of 1994). “We need to lay a solid foundation for a future economy,” he said. But we all realized that Obama has increased the debt by six trillion dollars. Hardly a solid foundation. When Clinton criticized the Republicans for doubling the debt after his administration left office, we all said to ourselves “and Obama tripled it."

The low point of Clinton’s speech was when he boldly charged into the fray – like the charge of the light brigade – and said that we are better off today than we were four years ago! Four years ago, with the US unemployment rate at just 6 percent, was worse than today with 8.3 percent? Four years ago, with just a $10 trillion debt, it was somehow not as good as today with a $16 trillion debt? Clinton’s arguments were obviously inadequate and sought to do something that cannot be done: speaking positively of Obama’s record.

In his obvious inability to win the argument, Clinton showed us how weak it is. As he recited his statistics, we came to understand how hollow they are. Is this all he can say about Obama’s record we all asked?

Even watching Clinton up there at the podium in Charlotte underlined the difference between his administration and Obama’s. We could see how far Obama’s record fell short of Clinton’s. It was obvious that Clinton balanced the budget while Obama tripled the deficit. It was obvious that Clinton created a net of 23 million new jobs while Obama has lost almost a million net even now. When Clinton had to go back to 1961 to generate positive job numbers, it was clear that something was weak in the case.

Now the attention turns to Obama. He has to do everything. He needs to make the attack on Ryan and Romney. He has to justify his record. He has to paint his vision for the future. So far none of this has happened in the first two days of the convention.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/06/bill-clinton-good-lawyer-defending-guilty-client/#ixzz25fTi36sY

:thumbsup: Right on the money! :thumbsup:

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Thu 09/06/12 07:47 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/06/12 07:56 AM
when is 16.6T (todays debt)

TRIPLE

10.6T (the debt when Obama took office)?


whats not obvious is what talking point the other side has BESIDES The debt (which they always ignore began increasing because of an economic COLLAPSE That had already begun)


Clinton did an EXCELLENT Job of explaining just HOW things have improved, (I think he called it putting a floor under what was collapsing)

He did an excellent job of actually EXPLAINING the misleading talking points the Republicans used in their convention too

but the other side sticks to their tunnelvision and pushing the issue of the debt as if its a solely barack obama created number

or the ONLY issue that matters,,,,


S Korea , Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran,, all have much better DEBT Situation than us,,, if that is really the MOST important issue, why doesnt everyone move to those places?

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Thu 09/06/12 09:34 AM

You could see all the rhetorical sleights of hand, the magic of a delivery, the wit of the argument, the sarcastic sallies against the other side. All of that was in former President Bill Clinton’s speech at the Democratic Convention on Wednesday night. But it was clear, as he spoke, that his client was guilty of being a very bad president who has accomplished very little.

President Clinton’s record is by now so well known that each of us was silently mouthing to ourselves as he spoke about the contrast between his record and Obama’s. “We face a long hard slog to recovery” he intoned. But we remembered how he created six million new net jobs right after he took office (by the end of 1994). “We need to lay a solid foundation for a future economy,” he said. But we all realized that Obama has increased the debt by six trillion dollars. Hardly a solid foundation. When Clinton criticized the Republicans for doubling the debt after his administration left office, we all said to ourselves “and Obama tripled it."

The low point of Clinton’s speech was when he boldly charged into the fray – like the charge of the light brigade – and said that we are better off today than we were four years ago! Four years ago, with the US unemployment rate at just 6 percent, was worse than today with 8.3 percent? Four years ago, with just a $10 trillion debt, it was somehow not as good as today with a $16 trillion debt? Clinton’s arguments were obviously inadequate and sought to do something that cannot be done: speaking positively of Obama’s record.

In his obvious inability to win the argument, Clinton showed us how weak it is. As he recited his statistics, we came to understand how hollow they are. Is this all he can say about Obama’s record we all asked?

Even watching Clinton up there at the podium in Charlotte underlined the difference between his administration and Obama’s. We could see how far Obama’s record fell short of Clinton’s. It was obvious that Clinton balanced the budget while Obama tripled the deficit. It was obvious that Clinton created a net of 23 million new jobs while Obama has lost almost a million net even now. When Clinton had to go back to 1961 to generate positive job numbers, it was clear that something was weak in the case.

Now the attention turns to Obama. He has to do everything. He needs to make the attack on Ryan and Romney. He has to justify his record. He has to paint his vision for the future. So far none of this has happened in the first two days of the convention.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/06/bill-clinton-good-lawyer-defending-guilty-client/#ixzz25fTi36sY

:thumbsup: Right on the money! :thumbsup:


I watched it live....No doubt about it Clinton can hold an audience...I never miss a Clinton speech...This one was smooth, just a little too smooth if you know what I mean...Bill and Hill are in a situation that forces a precise balancing act...It's no secret how both feel about the current administration, just as it's no secret how both feel about their party line....:wink:

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Thu 09/06/12 11:41 AM

ill

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Thu 09/06/12 12:15 PM


ill


Priceless!...The camera captured their true feelings about each other!! They both look like they have to shiiiiiiiiii.......potty!!!!laugh

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Thu 09/06/12 12:27 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/06/12 12:30 PM
or like they are trying to be modest in aknowledging the roaring APPLAUSE







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Thu 09/06/12 12:33 PM

or like they are trying to be modest in aknowledging the roaring APPLAUSE









laugh Not even...laugh laugh

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Thu 09/06/12 12:34 PM
lol

exactly, right


unless we are saying Clinton and OBama feel about each other as Bill and Chelsea do,,,

which could be true, depending upon how one assumes they feel

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Thu 09/06/12 12:36 PM
my favorite spontaneous reaction


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Thu 09/06/12 12:42 PM

when is 16.6T (todays debt)

TRIPLE

10.6T (the debt when Obama took office)?


whats not obvious is what talking point the other side has BESIDES The debt (which they always ignore began increasing because of an economic COLLAPSE That had already begun)


Clinton did an EXCELLENT Job of explaining just HOW things have improved, (I think he called it putting a floor under what was collapsing)

He did an excellent job of actually EXPLAINING the misleading talking points the Republicans used in their convention too

but the other side sticks to their tunnelvision and pushing the issue of the debt as if its a solely barack obama created number

or the ONLY issue that matters,,,,


S Korea , Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran,, all have much better DEBT Situation than us,,, if that is really the MOST important issue, why doesnt everyone move to those places?


The quote was about the RATE debt was occurring, not the total amount. Obama is incurring debt at a faster rate than ever in history.

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Thu 09/06/12 01:01 PM


when is 16.6T (todays debt)

TRIPLE

10.6T (the debt when Obama took office)?


whats not obvious is what talking point the other side has BESIDES The debt (which they always ignore began increasing because of an economic COLLAPSE That had already begun)


Clinton did an EXCELLENT Job of explaining just HOW things have improved, (I think he called it putting a floor under what was collapsing)

He did an excellent job of actually EXPLAINING the misleading talking points the Republicans used in their convention too

but the other side sticks to their tunnelvision and pushing the issue of the debt as if its a solely barack obama created number

or the ONLY issue that matters,,,,


S Korea , Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran,, all have much better DEBT Situation than us,,, if that is really the MOST important issue, why doesnt everyone move to those places?


The quote was about the RATE debt was occurring, not the total amount. Obama is incurring debt at a faster rate than ever in history.



yes, this is a unique time in history

2008 was a unique year,,,,,

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Thu 09/06/12 01:10 PM

lol

exactly, right


unless we are saying Clinton and OBama feel about each other as Bill and Chelsea do,,,

which could be true, depending upon how one assumes they feel


No, I mean not even close to the same expressionpitchfork laugh laugh

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Thu 09/06/12 01:13 PM



when is 16.6T (todays debt)

TRIPLE

10.6T (the debt when Obama took office)?


whats not obvious is what talking point the other side has BESIDES The debt (which they always ignore began increasing because of an economic COLLAPSE That had already begun)


Clinton did an EXCELLENT Job of explaining just HOW things have improved, (I think he called it putting a floor under what was collapsing)

He did an excellent job of actually EXPLAINING the misleading talking points the Republicans used in their convention too

but the other side sticks to their tunnelvision and pushing the issue of the debt as if its a solely barack obama created number

or the ONLY issue that matters,,,,


S Korea , Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran,, all have much better DEBT Situation than us,,, if that is really the MOST important issue, why doesnt everyone move to those places?


The quote was about the RATE debt was occurring, not the total amount. Obama is incurring debt at a faster rate than ever in history.



yes, this is a unique time in history

2008 was a unique year,,,,,


True, but '09, '10, '11, & '12 were even uniquer (great word ininit:tongue: )

Hi Joewaving

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Thu 09/06/12 01:13 PM
lol


yeah,, right...laugh laugh laugh


lets do a side by side

msharmony's photo
Thu 09/06/12 01:15 PM




when is 16.6T (todays debt)

TRIPLE

10.6T (the debt when Obama took office)?


whats not obvious is what talking point the other side has BESIDES The debt (which they always ignore began increasing because of an economic COLLAPSE That had already begun)


Clinton did an EXCELLENT Job of explaining just HOW things have improved, (I think he called it putting a floor under what was collapsing)

He did an excellent job of actually EXPLAINING the misleading talking points the Republicans used in their convention too

but the other side sticks to their tunnelvision and pushing the issue of the debt as if its a solely barack obama created number

or the ONLY issue that matters,,,,


S Korea , Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran,, all have much better DEBT Situation than us,,, if that is really the MOST important issue, why doesnt everyone move to those places?


The quote was about the RATE debt was occurring, not the total amount. Obama is incurring debt at a faster rate than ever in history.



yes, this is a unique time in history

2008 was a unique year,,,,,


True, but '09, '10, '11, & '12 were even uniquer (great word ininit:tongue: )

Hi Joewaving



that happens

when something hasnt happened before, like the black plague lets say

the efforts to CORRECT that something probably havent happened before either,,,lol

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Thu 09/06/12 01:33 PM





when is 16.6T (todays debt)

TRIPLE

10.6T (the debt when Obama took office)?


whats not obvious is what talking point the other side has BESIDES The debt (which they always ignore began increasing because of an economic COLLAPSE That had already begun)


Clinton did an EXCELLENT Job of explaining just HOW things have improved, (I think he called it putting a floor under what was collapsing)

He did an excellent job of actually EXPLAINING the misleading talking points the Republicans used in their convention too

but the other side sticks to their tunnelvision and pushing the issue of the debt as if its a solely barack obama created number

or the ONLY issue that matters,,,,


S Korea , Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran,, all have much better DEBT Situation than us,,, if that is really the MOST important issue, why doesnt everyone move to those places?


The quote was about the RATE debt was occurring, not the total amount. Obama is incurring debt at a faster rate than ever in history.



yes, this is a unique time in history

2008 was a unique year,,,,,


True, but '09, '10, '11, & '12 were even uniquer (great word ininit:tongue: )

Hi Joewaving



that happens

when something hasnt happened before, like the black plague lets say

the efforts to CORRECT that something probably havent happened before either,,,lol


If you are trying to say I am a racist or if your are trying to spin my post into racial slurs you are wrong on both counts....I take great offense to what you are IMPLYING here Harmony...

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Thu 09/06/12 03:39 PM


ill


Barry Soetoro and William Jefferson Blyth.

Liars



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Thu 09/06/12 03:52 PM



ill


Barry Soetoro and William Jefferson Blyth.

Liars





Yep...I love the Clinton speech fact checker DodoDavid posted on another thread ...Bill sure can spin em...How big was that fish?laugh

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Thu 09/06/12 03:56 PM


Here, Blyth is telling Soetoro to turn around.

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Thu 09/06/12 04:05 PM



Here, Blyth is telling Soetoro to turn around.


:tongue:

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