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And that's exactly what I'm talking about. It is good to be street smart, but frankly if I feel unsafe in a particular area and I have the option to ask someone to walk with me to a certain point, I will. But that should be MY choice. Nobody should be telling me to do that. You may be confusing "telling you" with "a suggestion" No need to get bent out of shape over it... I don't think? society has changed... Play defense! would be my advice. |
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I need to be "uptight" about these things because people refuse to see the error of their ways. I have many opinions that people don't agree with.
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It's also infringing on my personal freedom to have to take my car key with me and lock my car doors when I run into a store. I mean I SHOULD be able to leave the motor running while I'm doing my shopping if I want. That's my point. |
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I need to be "uptight" about these things because people refuse to see the error of their ways. I have many opinions that people don't agree with. You can be whatever you'd like... as long as you're open to the errors of "your ways" too? I'm in the same boat, I too have opinions that people don't agree with  
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You may be confusing "telling you" with "a suggestion" That's what I'm guessing. |
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But I would like to know why one suggestion is okay and why the other is not.
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But I would like to know why one suggestion is okay and why the other is not. What suggestion isn't ok? |
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That women shouldn't dress like sluts. Now don't get me wrong, I know that shouldn't encourage assault but I'm just saying the reasons people like to say why should apply to the circumstance of women walking alone at night. This dumb ***** named Krista Ford (the niece of our mayor Rob Ford) tweeted her thoughts on the subject and told women not to dress like whores. Her tweet said "Stay alert, walk tall, carry mace, take self-defence classes & don't dress like a whore. #DontBeAVictim #StreetSmart Obviously, there was an uproar. One of the victims of the sexual assaults typed this open letter in response to the tweet:
Dear a lot of people, but specifically Ms. Krista Ford, In advance I’d like to say I am sorry. This is not the ideal situation to first acquaint oneself with someone and I am mortified. Sorry! However, under the circumstance, I feel like you owe me a moment of your time, even though we’ve never meet. The circumstance being you called me a whore. I should clarify: I’m one of the victims of the recent string of sexual assaults in the Annex. ‘Sup? It’s nice to make you acquaintance. So, you’ve called me a whore. Here we are. This is awkward now, isn’t it? You’re probably wondering if I’m going to challenge you on having been a member of Lingerie League. I’m not, because I’d never slut-shame another woman. I believe you have a right to your body and regardless of how you do or don’t dress it I believe you have a right to respect and personal security. I guess that’s the key difference in our thinking. You could wear a t-shirt that says “I’m literally asking for it” and I’d still advocate for your security. That’s what I’m asking for this brief moment of your day, for your edification. You’re a woman and you should know that your body is yours and yours alone. No matter how you dress it, you have a right — an actual Charter of Rights and Freedom right — to not be sexually assaulted. You are entitled to life, liberty and the security of person. Welcome to Canada — you live here! If you weren’t aware of your Charter rights, other Canadian things you may have missed out on are double-doubles, good maple syrup, and Beachcombers*, so check that s— out. For the record, I was sexually assaulted while wearing a knee-length polka-dot dress. The last time I wore that dress, it was to Easter dinner at my Gran’s, where I’m fairly certain I could make little to no money whoring. With due respect / sorry, Name withheld by Torstar News Service Canadian / Comedian / Beachcombers Enthusiast *I love Beachcombers. |
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But I would like to know why one suggestion is okay and why the other is not. Oh I see. That is an interesting observation. The reason is that women would throw a massive fit and start screaming about being judged by their clothing choices. It goes back to the old "she dressed like a skank so she must have wanted it" thing. Suggesting a woman not walk alone at night does not have the same affect. Walking alone has never been a defense used by rapists. Now, the truth is that it usually doesn't matter how a woman is dressed as far as getting raped goes. Rapists are not suddenly overcome with lust and forced to rape a woman. They rape for other reasons and generally plan their rapes. And, looking for a woman alone would be important. Even necessary. So, walking alone is much mor dangerous than dressing like a ho. |
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Edited by
JOHNN111
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Tue 09/04/12 11:47 AM
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Mandy, I'm totally aware of what this thread is about... Plz allow me to fill in the Minglers.
There has been a rash of sexual assaults in a specific area up here... first the police chief or RCMP(not sure) says publicly a while back: Women should not dress like sluts(or something or rather)... Then, the mayors daughter says the same... Both got public smackdowns for it. It was the way it was delivered I believe... Because "the suggestion" was sound as is "the suggestion" to not walk alone at this time. Their delivery made it sound as though only "slutty" dressed women got sexually assaulted... and they must have deserved it somehow. This could not be further from the truth IMO, the message was simple, they meant, do not draw attention to yourselves... AT THIS TIME. But of course, the media jumped all over it. Both are legit "suggestions"... Ladies should not walk alone AT THIS TIME! And should not draw attention to themselves... AT THIS TIME! |
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That women shouldn't dress like sluts. Now don't get me wrong, I know that shouldn't encourage assault but I'm just saying the reasons people like to say why should apply to the circumstance of women walking alone at night. This dumb ***** named Krista Ford (the niece of our mayor Rob Ford) tweeted her thoughts on the subject and told women not to dress like whores. Her tweet said "Stay alert, walk tall, carry mace, take self-defence classes & don't dress like a whore. #DontBeAVictim #StreetSmart Obviously, there was an uproar. One of the victims of the sexual assaults typed this open letter in response to the tweet: Dear a lot of people, but specifically Ms. Krista Ford, In advance I’d like to say I am sorry. This is not the ideal situation to first acquaint oneself with someone and I am mortified. Sorry! However, under the circumstance, I feel like you owe me a moment of your time, even though we’ve never meet. The circumstance being you called me a whore. I should clarify: I’m one of the victims of the recent string of sexual assaults in the Annex. ‘Sup? It’s nice to make you acquaintance. So, you’ve called me a whore. Here we are. This is awkward now, isn’t it? You’re probably wondering if I’m going to challenge you on having been a member of Lingerie League. I’m not, because I’d never slut-shame another woman. I believe you have a right to your body and regardless of how you do or don’t dress it I believe you have a right to respect and personal security. I guess that’s the key difference in our thinking. You could wear a t-shirt that says “I’m literally asking for it” and I’d still advocate for your security. That’s what I’m asking for this brief moment of your day, for your edification. You’re a woman and you should know that your body is yours and yours alone. No matter how you dress it, you have a right — an actual Charter of Rights and Freedom right — to not be sexually assaulted. You are entitled to life, liberty and the security of person. Welcome to Canada — you live here! If you weren’t aware of your Charter rights, other Canadian things you may have missed out on are double-doubles, good maple syrup, and Beachcombers*, so check that s— out. For the record, I was sexually assaulted while wearing a knee-length polka-dot dress. The last time I wore that dress, it was to Easter dinner at my Gran’s, where I’m fairly certain I could make little to no money whoring. With due respect / sorry, Name withheld by Torstar News Service Canadian / Comedian / Beachcombers Enthusiast *I love Beachcombers. I am not quite following you. It bothers you that people are suggesting that women shouldn't walk alone at night, but it doesn't bother you to suggest that women not dress like whores? |
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Well let me out it to you this way - if someone told me I shouldn't walk alone at night, I would slap them across the face. If they told me not to dress like a slut, I wouldn't. Also, read this http://sorenthan.tumblr.com/post/26113337415/larrystylinsoneternal-opal-leaves-through
Number two is a fact whether we like it or not and people need to accept and acknowledge it. |
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Yes, singmesweet, because people should be bothered by BOTH.
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Women are advised not to walk alone no matter how they are dressed.
Why? Because a rapist is less likely to attack a woman who is with someone else than a woman who is alone. There are times when a man shouldn't travel alone, either, but for a different reason. |
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Well it's just plain sexist and degrading. What's the point of women existing, then?
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Why is it socially acceptable to tell women not to walk alone at night, but not to dress "appropriately"? The former is more offensive. "Women are not raped because of how they are dressed!" WELL THEN, WOMEN ARE ALSO NOT RAPED BECAUSE THEY ARE WALKING ALONE AT NIGHT! This is degrading. You are saying women are incapable of defending themselves? You are suggesting that they need a MAN by their side??? What's next, should men start accompanying women to dinner and paying for them like in the olden days??? UGH!!! I don't see how it makes sense to say one and not the other, because both are important. I don't think it's that women can't protect themselves, but more that it's less likely for one to be attacked in a group. Women are seen as the weaker sex by some and more vulnerable to being attacked. That's just how it is. Who says two women walking together can't be just as safe as a man and a women walking together? It's certainly safer than a woman walking alone. Inappropriate clothing can send the wrong messages, encouraging unwelcomed advances toward her and attention that she doesn't need from some (ex. a creeper perving her due to her outfit). |
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Nobody answered my question: If two women walk together somewhere and one is dropped off, what happens to the woman who is now alone?
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Well let me out it to you this way - if someone told me I shouldn't walk alone at night, I would slap them across the face. If they told me not to dress like a slut, I wouldn't. Also, read this http://sorenthan.tumblr.com/post/26113337415/larrystylinsoneternal-opal-leaves-through Number two is a fact whether we like it or not and people need to accept and acknowledge it.  I'm glad we are not having this conversation in person. . |
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Mandy, I'm totally aware of what this thread is about... Plz allow me to fill in the Minglers. There has been a rash of sexual assaults in a specific area up here... first the police chief or RCMP(not sure) says publicly a while back: Women should not dress like sluts(or something or rather)... Then, the mayors daughter says the same... Both got public smackdowns for it. It was the way it was delivered I believe... Because "the suggestion" was sound as is "the suggestion" to not walk alone at this time. Their delivery made it sound as though only "slutty" dressed women got sexually assaulted... and they must have deserved it somehow. This could not be further from the truth IMO, the message was simple, they meant, do not draw attention to yourselves... AT THIS TIME. But of course, the media jumped all over it. Both are legit "suggestions"... Ladies should not walk alone AT THIS TIME! And should not draw attention to themselves... AT THIS TIME! Now I'm ready, let me have it!  Where is the line drawn at dressing like sluts, though? How much do we need to cover up not to look like a slut? I understand that people are trying to be helpful and protect women, however rape is about violence and control, rather than about sex and sexual attraction. Clothes don't factor in, according to many statistics. Blaming women for what they're wearing doesn't work. |
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Well it's just plain sexist and degrading. What's the point of women existing, then? Women are told they shouldn't walk around alone at night while there's a rapist on the loose and therefore you can't think of a reason for women to exist? I'm getting frustrated. I'm gonna take a Prozac and lie down for a while. 
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