"When you're in love with a beautiful woman
You watch your friends
Watch your friends, you gotta watch your friends
When you're in love with a beautiful woman
It never ends
It never ends, you know it never ends
You know that it's crazy, you want to trust her
Then somebody hangs up when you answer the phone..."

Dr. Hook

nusalor&karen, thanks for a nice quoted addition

I've always been screwed over like your friend frank. I'll go out on a date, and becuase I'm not the body builder hunk that women these days want, I get shunned aside and overlooked all the time. I don't really open myself up to anyone anymore because of it. Just tell him not to let himself get all depressed like I did because of it. Don't get down in that rut. It sucks. I've been there since high school, and I can pull myself out every once in a while, but for the most part, I just stay there when it come to the dating world and friends. I've lost best friends because I won't open up. But I always look at it as the less I open up, the less you have to hurt me with.

Shallow is no good.

I hate hearing stories like this because I think they overshadow all the really nice stories out there.

Vegas - The more risk you take the more possibilities you end up!

Trust that the risks you take will be worth the reward in the end! Believe it!

Hang in there!

I take exception to the generalization about women wanting body builders, Vegas. I could care less about that sort of thing. I am more interested in the mind and heart of a man. The gift is there. There wrapping is unimportant.

Yeah. I know that. I've always tried to look at it that way. But habituation is a *****. If, as you go through life, Action A almost always reluts in Outcome A, then through habituation, you will learn to expect the two to always coincide. It's evolution. Fire burns, therefore, we don't touch fire. It's habituation. If everytime you open yourself up to someone, you get hurt, then you eventually stop opening up because past experience shows that you will invariably get hurt.

Well laugh, women like yourself are few and far between these days. Just like men such as myself are few and far between. Chivalrous men are a dying breed, as are decent women.

Chivalry IS lacking these days. But so is George Bush's popularity. Eh. What can you do?

C'est la vie!

As long as we don't become extinct, there is still hope, Vegas. Hang in there. I am.

Just be you and hang in there. There are some that look for substance even in this throw-away society. That's who you want to find anyway.

Vegas Guy - I can so relate...I rarely open up to people. Its almost easier to keep up a wall, then to break it. I've been hurt too many times. It takes me a long time to finally open up and feel love.

Case in point. I liked this girl four years ago (she turned out to be my best friend now), and I was talking to her for like 4 months. We were both into each other, but the whole time, she would talk to ther guys, go on dates and such. I couldn't complain, we weren't dating. So, this other guy comes up that she really likes. We've been talking for four months at this point, and within two weeks, she's dating the other guy. I still like her to this day (don't know why), and we are decent friends. But it's **** like that that makes me not want to open up to anyone. In the past I've seen that no matter what happens, I'll never get the girl. I can talk to a girl for a few days, but after that, *raspberry*. I can get a girl in bed, I can initiate great conversation, but when it comes to prolonged interest, I can't do a thing.

Society stresses beauty and we buy into it. The media stresses it also. When you really get down to it ----it is what's inside you.

Well Bobby, I can say with a straight face, that the thing you're straddling in that pic of yours, is beautiful. Progressive wants 8k a year on an 06 R6 for insurance. I about **** a brick.

Hello frankfl glad to see your still contributing to the threads!

NICE TO CU YOU TOO TEDDYBEAR, WHERE WERE YOU?

HI TeddyBear - haven't seen you for a while

I think they call it the twilight zone-lol.
Seriousely- no computor or internet for now. Exploring the
world of camping right now. Hi artgirl- nice to see you too.

BE CONTINUE EXPLORING, U ARE DOING GOOD

A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.
~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ~

True Beauty lies deep within the Soul

((((( Frank )))))))