Fearandloathing. No does mean no. Dont take it any other way. If they change their mind, then they will generally verbally tell you. I wouldnt read anything into any future association.

Leigh, I dont know what to say to that. That does happen, but it would be extreme IMO. Not everyone is a psycho.

You put an issue in positive terms: persistence.


It might be: obsession to get "his" way and not understanding boundaries.
it might also be :obsessive compulsive Disorder.

It becomes a challenge to draw the line on boundaries of safety.
If you say it eye to eye, and let the person know that friendship is not by imposition that awareness by itself has empowered me in certain situations.

To say no to women is very traumatic for them, usually they start crying and stomping on the floor hoping that man turn idea.
I am very strict on this.. and when I say no...it is no!!!!!!

I dont even want to be friends now, but thanks for the good quote.

I find it creepy and disturbing when people can't accept no or rejection from others in pursuit of love or romance. Now when it comes to other goals such as getting a new house, your dream carreer, etc. that's different.

Care to tell us, o syncopatious one, what Perspoi,... prespo... means? My oxsford is in the repair shop. In the meantime, I suspect you are pulling our legs.

Of course, I am dumb enough to ask YOU what that perspicou... means. You can tell me anything, what do I know? I either believe you or I don't. So we'll be in square one, still, not having movated an iota from there.

I am talking about that word you used, strictly speaking.

Whew, what a lucky break, I am not good enough to be pursued hotly.

Women are less agressive, anyhow. A hunter has to follow a kill for miles sometimes, if he wants to eat and earn the respect of his tribespeople. A woman who gathers mushrooms and roots, either takes it, or not, she does not have to give chase to a mushroom. It comes across as women being more dignified, whereas they are simply more lazy.

Lacklustre...very good descriptive. See....i thought this was going to have a totally different spin to the term 'persistent people' Seems i'm wrong again and persistence has been carelessly thrown into the shallow end of the word pool. Poor persistence.

And yes...you're quite correct. Some women DON'T say no, and/or continue to show interest. The next thing you know?...poor persistence is getting his *** kicked for being a stalker.

I try to avoid "high-pressured salesmen" who refuse to take "no" for an answer!

Nothing to say...Of course not everyone is a psycho! Even the concept that some are is hard to grasp until you suffer the misfortune of being confronted by one..But, like you say, it does happen...

How does a man determine that a woman might be interested in dating him? What is the criteria?...I don't assume that every man who is friendly to me is automatically interested in dating me..Some men are just friendly in general. (To most everyone!) Same goes for women...So I try to be careful when it comes to "jumping the gun" (or forming conclusions) about a man's intentions towards me just because he happens to be friendly...I try to put it all in context. Is the man friendly to most everyone? Has he said (or done) anything that seems to "single me out?" Or suggest that he would like a little "more" than just friendship with me?...I don't assume that every "friendly man" views me as his "dream woman" in other words. Because most of the time this just isn't the "case" or true. The man is just friendly by nature. (To everyone!)

Way back when I married a man who refused to take "no" for an answer. (A man who refused to "give-up!") He was a "master manipulator" and determined to "win" no matter what!...I was young and naive back then. He convinced me that his persistence was a sign of his "burning love" for me...The marriage lasted less than a year. After he "won me" he got bored! And there just wasn't anything of "substance" between us.

Like ****...I walk away.

I tried, and perhaps tried again...I won't regret it and leave people like yourself to yourself, never shed another emotion again for people like that.

That's just straight up cold, no matter how you like to view it.

Huh? Fearandloathing I am confused. What are you saying?

Have been quickly reading over all the post. One word that seems to be missing is "respect". If a person respects you they need to respect your position and beliefs. Even if it is contrary to their own. One of my best friends (who I met here) and I don't agree on a number of things. What we do have for each other is RESPECT.

I can't be with with some one as a friend and definitely not romantically who doesn't show respect. If they are not showing for me, then they don't have it for themselves either. JMO

If a woman cannot come out and say "No" or still gives off hints of interest but won't commit...Only to turn around and pull the ******** "He's stalking me" game, **** 'em, won't shed one tear for them, and will remove them from my life as quickly as I introduced them to it.

My profile is quite clear that even a fooking monkey can understand it. But there's always the block option if they choose to ignore what's written in the profile and continue to pursue.

But they usually don't pursue.

Fearandloathing, gotcha this time. Some females are confusing, game players sure. But some males are too.

I read about a dude that gave his ex a phone and told her he'd pay her bill.

She had no idea he had her phone on GPS and seemed to always show up at the dangdest times.

I suggested telling her and he said he was doing it for her own safety.

I smelled persistent stalker.