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Topic: What's Troubling America?
Ras427's photo
Tue 08/14/12 11:10 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Tue 08/14/12 11:15 AM
Sometimes I hate reading newspapers, listening to news ect. It seems to be nothing but negativity in our country. No doubt other countries and the world are also going threw some troubling times, but im more concerned with the events of which where I live. In America today we have millions who are homeless. We have many more who are sick, imprisoned, impoverished and weak, and it appears as though the conservative element of the country is moving away from care for the poor, the weak, the helpless, and the children, and catering to the desires of those that have. But it was the poor and the weak who have fought, bled and died to maintain America as a great nation.Now America is turning her back on the weak and blaming the condition of the country on the poor, on the Black, on the Hispanic. IN REALITY, THE MISMANAGEMENT OF THE WEALTH AND PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY IS THE FAULT THOSE WHO ARE AT THE TOP who have held power, who have manipulated the masses of people against the good of America and the good of the world.

pyxxie13's photo
Tue 08/14/12 11:11 AM
You kind of sound like the news.
Yes it's depressing ...

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/14/12 11:17 AM
Edited by Ras427 on Tue 08/14/12 11:21 AM

You kind of sound like the news.
Yes it's depressing ...
I highly doubt the "news" is going to tell you that the problems lie in the goverments mismanagements, considering corporate media sleep in the same bed with those on the top.

PacificStar48's photo
Tue 08/14/12 11:31 AM
What bugs me is even if you see waste and mismangement and report it little ever is done about it.

It seems like if we would put more systems in place where legitimate whistle blowers could be rewarded with a percentage of the funds they prevent going to fraud that maybe more people would come forward.

With the criminals; especially white collar ones, haveing power to suppress than the average person to defend themself it is no surprise we seem to be slipping into a hole further each day.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/14/12 11:51 AM

What bugs me is even if you see waste and mismangement and report it little ever is done about it.

It seems like if we would put more systems in place where legitimate whistle blowers could be rewarded with a percentage of the funds they prevent going to fraud that maybe more people would come forward.

With the criminals; especially white collar ones, haveing power to suppress than the average person to defend themself it is no surprise we seem to be slipping into a hole further each day.
You raise a good point. Now I forget the fellows name, correcr me if im wrong, but I cant recall the name of the wikileaks founder who supposably leaked information, is his name, oh now I remember, Julian Assange, he is facing some tough times as a result of those leaks. Im not 100% sure, as id have to do more research, but if im correct, the rape charges against him conviniently were brought up after the leak accusations. This would actually discourage many in position to reveal activities that contributes to our decline.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/14/12 11:54 AM
From telling the truth to the American people.

lilott's photo
Tue 08/14/12 02:06 PM
I'll tell ya what's troubling America, it's that SOB in the white house.

InvictusV's photo
Tue 08/14/12 02:27 PM
yeah dude.. it is all the conservatives fault..

you sound exactly like cnn msnbc the new york times washington post and practically every other leftist propaganda outlet I can think of..

liberals had absolutely nothing to do with any of it..


AndyBgood's photo
Tue 08/14/12 02:41 PM
First we need voter reform. Who stands in the way of that?

We also need legal reforms. Who stands in the way of that?

We desperately need Social Reforms. Again who stands in the way of that?

We need to kill lobbying! ONCE MORE... Who stands in the way of that?

America's biggest glaring flaws:

Cater to the Globalists the whole time reciting how we need to tax the rich. Our tax structure is completely BOGUS and made to bleed the wrong people dry!

Poverty is one thing but an Entitled POOR population is BULL! Poor people in America likewise create and blur the real issues plaguing our nation. People need to earn for themselves and stop making excuses!

Selective enforcement of laws especially immigration laws.

Policy changes every 4 years!

Privatization.

The federal Reserve.

Man I got to stop here. This list will just keep going!

no photo
Tue 08/14/12 02:45 PM

Sometimes I hate reading newspapers, listening to news ect. It seems to be nothing but negativity in our country. No doubt other countries and the world are also going threw some troubling times, but im more concerned with the events of which where I live. In America today we have millions who are homeless. We have many more who are sick, imprisoned, impoverished and weak, and it appears as though the conservative element of the country is moving away from care for the poor, the weak, the helpless, and the children, and catering to the desires of those that have. But it was the poor and the weak who have fought, bled and died to maintain America as a great nation.Now America is turning her back on the weak and blaming the condition of the country on the poor, on the Black, on the Hispanic. IN REALITY, THE MISMANAGEMENT OF THE WEALTH AND PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY IS THE FAULT THOSE WHO ARE AT THE TOP who have held power, who have manipulated the masses of people against the good of America and the good of the world.


I can see that.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/14/12 03:32 PM

yeah dude.. it is all the conservatives fault..

you sound exactly like cnn msnbc the new york times washington post and practically every other leftist propaganda outlet I can think of..

liberals had absolutely nothing to do with any of it..

Actually its more then the conservatives, its a combanation of special interests groups, corporations, our financial institutions, our political corruption, international bankers, wall street. As for cnn, msnbc, new york times and ratings hungry fox news are all corporate sponsored. So they are not reliable sources of information nor for truth. Leftists are weak, the right has all the power, therefore control media.

Ras427's photo
Tue 08/14/12 03:34 PM
Edited by Ras427 on Tue 08/14/12 03:39 PM

I'll tell ya what's troubling America, it's that SOB in the white house.
a mere figurehead, "selected" not "elected". As were all before him. A CEO is selected. The Corporation of the USA never elects a CEO, chairman Obama is just the CEO as those before him.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 08/14/12 04:48 PM


I'll tell ya what's troubling America, it's that SOB in the white house.
a mere figurehead, "selected" not "elected". As were all before him. A CEO is selected. The Corporation of the USA never elects a CEO, chairman Obama is just the CEO as those before him.


In other words,



Apparently the amount of their own money that conservatives give to charities is meaningless to people who have wealth envy.

Having worked in an actual homeless shelter, I have seen what is considered to be poverty within the USA. I have learned its causes, and those causes have nothing to do with conservative political policies.

Plenty of people are poor and homeless as a result of their abuse of alcohol and illegal drugs. Plenty of children are born into the American definition of poverty because those children were born to single mothers. Plenty of married women have found themselves homeless because of the misdeeds of their husbands. Plenty of unemployed people remain unemployed because they can't pass a pre-employment drug screening.

lilott's photo
Tue 08/14/12 04:53 PM


I'll tell ya what's troubling America, it's that SOB in the white house.
a mere figurehead, "selected" not "elected". As were all before him. A CEO is selected. The Corporation of the USA never elects a CEO, chairman Obama is just the CEO as those before him.
I don't care what you call him, he's the problem.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/14/12 04:54 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 08/14/12 04:55 PM



I'll tell ya what's troubling America, it's that SOB in the white house.
a mere figurehead, "selected" not "elected". As were all before him. A CEO is selected. The Corporation of the USA never elects a CEO, chairman Obama is just the CEO as those before him.


In other words,



Apparently the amount of their own money that conservatives give to charities is meaningless to people who have wealth envy.

Having worked in an actual homeless shelter, I have seen what is considered to be poverty within the USA. I have learned its causes, and those causes have nothing to do with conservative political policies.

Plenty of people are poor and homeless as a result of their abuse of alcohol and illegal drugs. Plenty of children are born into the American definition of poverty because those children were born to single mothers. Plenty of married women have found themselves homeless because of the misdeeds of their husbands. Plenty of unemployed people remain unemployed because they can't pass a pre-employment drug screening.



and plenty are poor because the jobs are not there to provide above poverty level income

plenty of poor have 'jobs' just as others do,, and yet are still in poverty,,,


I compare it to the housing market, there are sometimes when its a buyers market (prices favor those looking), and sometimes when its a sellers market (prices favor those selling)


it has not been an employees market for quite some time and employers have long been taking advantage of growing despair to boost their profits 'higher' by keeping wages at or below poverty level,,,,


so, yes, there is much responsibility to go around, but because its not aLWAYS a policy issue doesnt mean that policy issues dont bare some responsibility as well...


Dodo_David's photo
Tue 08/14/12 05:07 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Tue 08/14/12 05:10 PM
How about we define poverty?

This is poverty to me:



By the way, if you are going to claim that a government policy has caused people to live in poverty, then please cite evidence that supports such a claim.


msharmony's photo
Tue 08/14/12 05:13 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 08/14/12 05:19 PM
poverty

a: the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions b: renunciation as a member of a religious order of the right as an individual to own property

so, what society one is in matters,

in american society

this is poverty



as is this




of course, the location is not what is poor, as it is just material,, the people trying to survive in the location are,,,



Dodo_David's photo
Tue 08/14/12 05:34 PM
poverty

a: the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions . . .


So, the definition of poverty can be subjective, because plenty of poor people in the USA are wealthy in comparison to the poor people living in Third-World nations.

Again, if you are going to claim that a government policy has caused people to live in poverty, then please support your claim with evidence.

Let me give you an example. The following is an excerpt from a New York Times story about the city of Stockton, California:

While Stockton’s bankruptcy troubles can be traced in part to the collapse of the housing market and the subsequent erosion of the city’s tax base, for years city leaders also mismanaged and overspent funds, pushing the city into financial peril, analysts and current city officials say. Stockton cannot afford the $417 million it owes for retiree health benefits, city officials say, and this year a bank repossessed city-owned parking garages and a $40 million building the city had bought with plans for an upgraded City Hall.

Since 2009, the city has cut 25 percent of its police officers, 30 percent of its Fire Department and over 40 percent of all other city employees.


So, public employees in Stockton became unemployed as a result of the policies of that city's political leaders.

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/14/12 05:35 PM

How about we define poverty?

This is poverty to me:



By the way, if you are going to claim that a government policy has caused people to live in poverty, then please cite evidence that supports such a claim.





I never made such a claim. I am not a fan of the 'blame' game nor do I believe poverty is such a black and white issue....


government policies have worked in CONJUNCTION with other factors to maintain and raise poverty levels,,,

poverty has always existed,,,as long as 'wealth' has,,,

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Tue 08/14/12 05:40 PM
What troubles America? Too many people being negative on the internet. happy

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