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HotRodDeluxe Joined Sun 05/06/12 Posts: 2743	Tue 08/21/12 03:12 PM
Clearly some people are not seeking a greater understanding and prefer to argue every little point. It is getting rather tiresome. I agree, especially when it is specualitve and conjectural.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Wed 08/22/12 12:47 PM
I LOVE these Iran vs Israel comparisons!! There have been a number of these threads before... 1. Israel - Free press democratic society protects rights of all citizens with laws enacted and enforced for all Israeli men, women and children. Only country in the region with these protections. Complete protected freedom of religion for Christians, Muslims, Jews and all other religions too - in Israel. Now for Iran: Introduction The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States. Does Iran sponsor terrorism? The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC. "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362 Oh C'mon Now!! http://mingle2.com/topic/show/319625 The media doesn't want anybody to forget anything. The media's job is to get more readership. But it is fun and educational to examine the very real differences between Iran and Israel. It is a comparison which always casts Israel in the best possible light! So if Israel is such a great country why do they refuse to join Iran and the rest of the civilized world in signing the nuclear non proliferation treaty? Pakistan and India refused to sign it too, but i don't see you going off on a wild tangent on them ... Did they attempt to sell atomic bombs to South Africa? Are they demanding we Bomb Iran "just in case"? are you saying they haven't tried to sell any to anyone? they would have nuked each other a long time ago if it wasn't for the US and Russia... they hate each other as much as iran and Israel...and they went through the same type thing in the 70's... and what does south africa have anything to do with anything? The reality is this. Israel attempted to sell atomic weapons to South Africa and refuses to sign the non proliferation treaty and is trying to drag us into a war with Iran. The case is being made that Israel is not what they make themselves out to be or what others attempt to make them.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 08/22/12 01:54 PM
I LOVE these Iran vs Israel comparisons!! There have been a number of these threads before... 1. Israel - Free press democratic society protects rights of all citizens with laws enacted and enforced for all Israeli men, women and children. Only country in the region with these protections. Complete protected freedom of religion for Christians, Muslims, Jews and all other religions too - in Israel. Now for Iran: Introduction The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States. Does Iran sponsor terrorism? The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC. "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362 Oh C'mon Now!! http://mingle2.com/topic/show/319625 The media doesn't want anybody to forget anything. The media's job is to get more readership. But it is fun and educational to examine the very real differences between Iran and Israel. It is a comparison which always casts Israel in the best possible light! So if Israel is such a great country why do they refuse to join Iran and the rest of the civilized world in signing the nuclear non proliferation treaty? Pakistan and India refused to sign it too, but i don't see you going off on a wild tangent on them ... Did they attempt to sell atomic bombs to South Africa? Are they demanding we Bomb Iran "just in case"? are you saying they haven't tried to sell any to anyone? they would have nuked each other a long time ago if it wasn't for the US and Russia... they hate each other as much as iran and Israel...and they went through the same type thing in the 70's... and what does south africa have anything to do with anything? The reality is this. Israel attempted to sell atomic weapons to South Africa and refuses to sign the non proliferation treaty and is trying to drag us into a war with Iran. The case is being made that Israel is not what they make themselves out to be or what others attempt to make them. fact is, your bashing Israel... like i said, Pakistan and India refused to sign it also. there is no proof that Israel tried to sell anyone anything. thats the case your trying to make, without any strong knowledge of any situation there, or you refuse to read all the news coming from Israel. Why would south Africa need any nukes anyway? they are under British and Australian protection... Your reading propaganda and trying your best to believe, even tho you know it is not true...

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Wed 08/22/12 02:03 PM
I LOVE these Iran vs Israel comparisons!! There have been a number of these threads before... 1. Israel - Free press democratic society protects rights of all citizens with laws enacted and enforced for all Israeli men, women and children. Only country in the region with these protections. Complete protected freedom of religion for Christians, Muslims, Jews and all other religions too - in Israel. Now for Iran: Introduction The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States. Does Iran sponsor terrorism? The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC. "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362 Oh C'mon Now!! http://mingle2.com/topic/show/319625 The media doesn't want anybody to forget anything. The media's job is to get more readership. But it is fun and educational to examine the very real differences between Iran and Israel. It is a comparison which always casts Israel in the best possible light! So if Israel is such a great country why do they refuse to join Iran and the rest of the civilized world in signing the nuclear non proliferation treaty? Pakistan and India refused to sign it too, but i don't see you going off on a wild tangent on them ... Did they attempt to sell atomic bombs to South Africa? Are they demanding we Bomb Iran "just in case"? are you saying they haven't tried to sell any to anyone? they would have nuked each other a long time ago if it wasn't for the US and Russia... they hate each other as much as iran and Israel...and they went through the same type thing in the 70's... and what does south africa have anything to do with anything? The reality is this. Israel attempted to sell atomic weapons to South Africa and refuses to sign the non proliferation treaty and is trying to drag us into a war with Iran. The case is being made that Israel is not what they make themselves out to be or what others attempt to make them. fact is, your bashing Israel... like i said, Pakistan and India refused to sign it also. there is no proof that Israel tried to sell anyone anything. thats the case your trying to make, without any strong knowledge of any situation there, or you refuse to read all the news coming from Israel. Why would south Africa need any nukes anyway? they are under British and Australian protection... Your reading propaganda and trying your best to believe, even tho you know it is not true... Your simply in denial or is the better word "Cognitive dissonance"? I have provided ample proof of Israel trying to sell atomic weapons to apartheid South Africa many sources provided above. I have even refrained from speculating why they would make a military treaty with the apartheid regime. It probably was along the lines of you help us with our ethnic trouble and we will help you with yours This information was only released when the apartheid regime was toppled by the way. Read this it may help. Cognitive dissonance is the term used in modern psychology to describe the discomfort felt by a person seeking to hold two or more conflicting cognitions (e.g., ideas, beliefs, values, emotional reactions) simultaneously. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise, dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment.[1] The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognitions, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system, or alternatively by reducing the importance of any one of the dissonant elements.[1] An example of this would be the conflict between wanting to smoke and knowing that smoking is unhealthy; a person may try to change their feelings about the odds that they will actually suffer the consequences, or they might add the consonant element that the smoking is worth short term benefits. A general view of cognitive dissonance is when one is biased towards a certain decision even though other factors favour an alternative.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Thu 08/23/12 02:22 AM
I LOVE these Iran vs Israel comparisons!! There have been a number of these threads before... 1. Israel - Free press democratic society protects rights of all citizens with laws enacted and enforced for all Israeli men, women and children. Only country in the region with these protections. Complete protected freedom of religion for Christians, Muslims, Jews and all other religions too - in Israel. Now for Iran: Introduction The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States. Does Iran sponsor terrorism? The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC. "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362 Oh C'mon Now!! http://mingle2.com/topic/show/319625 The media doesn't want anybody to forget anything. The media's job is to get more readership. But it is fun and educational to examine the very real differences between Iran and Israel. It is a comparison which always casts Israel in the best possible light! So if Israel is such a great country why do they refuse to join Iran and the rest of the civilized world in signing the nuclear non proliferation treaty? Pakistan and India refused to sign it too, but i don't see you going off on a wild tangent on them ... Did they attempt to sell atomic bombs to South Africa? Are they demanding we Bomb Iran "just in case"? are you saying they haven't tried to sell any to anyone? they would have nuked each other a long time ago if it wasn't for the US and Russia... they hate each other as much as iran and Israel...and they went through the same type thing in the 70's... and what does south africa have anything to do with anything? The reality is this. Israel attempted to sell atomic weapons to South Africa and refuses to sign the non proliferation treaty and is trying to drag us into a war with Iran. The case is being made that Israel is not what they make themselves out to be or what others attempt to make them. fact is, your bashing Israel... like i said, Pakistan and India refused to sign it also. there is no proof that Israel tried to sell anyone anything. thats the case your trying to make, without any strong knowledge of any situation there, or you refuse to read all the news coming from Israel. Why would south Africa need any nukes anyway? they are under British and Australian protection... Your reading propaganda and trying your best to believe, even tho you know it is not true... Your simply in denial or is the better word "Cognitive dissonance"? I have provided ample proof of Israel trying to sell atomic weapons to apartheid South Africa many sources provided above. I have even refrained from speculating why they would make a military treaty with the apartheid regime. It probably was along the lines of you help us with our ethnic trouble and we will help you with yours This information was only released when the apartheid regime was toppled by the way. Read this it may help. Cognitive dissonance is the term used in modern psychology to describe the discomfort felt by a person seeking to hold two or more conflicting cognitions (e.g., ideas, beliefs, values, emotional reactions) simultaneously. In a state of dissonance, people may feel surprise, dread, guilt, anger, or embarrassment.[1] The theory of cognitive dissonance in social psychology proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by altering existing cognitions, adding new ones to create a consistent belief system, or alternatively by reducing the importance of any one of the dissonant elements.[1] An example of this would be the conflict between wanting to smoke and knowing that smoking is unhealthy; a person may try to change their feelings about the odds that they will actually suffer the consequences, or they might add the consonant element that the smoking is worth short term benefits. A general view of cognitive dissonance is when one is biased towards a certain decision even though other factors favour an alternative.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance As has been pointed out repeatedly, there is no evidence that Israel ever made any deal to provide nuclear weapons to South Africa. The "evidence" is a third party report of a conversation which makes no mention of nuclear anything! No evidence = No argument. Israel never signed the NPT. They did not want to refute or acknowledge anything about their nuclear activities which had been going on already for 20 years when the NPT was created. They simply do not wish to claim to be a nuclear capable state or a nuclear free state. Iran on the other hand has declared themselves to be a nuclear arms free state and has committed to never seeking to acquire nuclear weapons in order to get access to nuclear technologies and assistance. But Iran has violated their NPT commitments, is threatening to annihilate the United States and Israel, is vigorously trying to enrich uranium in fortified underground bunkers to high enrichment weapons grade, and is a Holocaust denying radical Islamic terrorist supporting state. This is why NOBODY wants Iran to continue their nuclear programs and why Iran will be stopped by force if they fail to heed the sincere and urgent warnings from the rest of the civilized world to desist. Iran could stop all the sanctions against them today by dismantling all their nuclear weapons related facilities and ceasing their nuclear weapons related activities and allowing UN inspectors to verify it.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Thu 08/23/12 01:45 PM Edited by Bestinshow on Thu 08/23/12 01:47 PM
Slowhand are you just a disinformation artist? A few minuets googling has all the information one needs to be informed. Follow the links its all detailed without a shadow of a doubt. The memos and minutes that confirm Israel's nuclear stockpile Documents reveal how then-defence minister Shimon Perez tried to sell South Africa's apartheid government the bomb Share 419 Email Chris McGreal Chris McGreal guardian.co.uk, Sunday 23 May 2010 16.00 EDT Israel documents: South African general says country should get nukes on Jericho missiles This is the secret memo by South Africa's military chief of staff, General RF Armstrong, asking for nukes on the Jericho missiles. It has been revealed before, but its context was not understood. We now know the memo was the direct result of a meeting between PW Botha and Shimon Peres, and the basis of Botha's demand for nukes. This memo was uncovered by Peter Liberman and published in the Nonproliferation Review. • Declassified memo from General RF Armstrong Israel documents: Cover page of memo revealing secret nuclear agreement with South Afric This cover page of an ISSA (ISrael-South Africa agreement) meeting in Pretoria between Israeli and South African officials on 30 June 1975 establishes the presence of General Armstrong, who wrote the nuclear memo. • Minutes of third ISSA meeting, 30/6/1975 Israel documents: Memo showing secret nuclear agreement with South Africa This document details the another ISSA meeting during which Botha says he needs the 'right payload' and Peres offers it in 'three sizes' (paragraph 10). • Minutes from further ISSA meeting Israel documents: Page 2 states existence of agreement with South Africa is secret This is the cover page and two other pages from the secret military agreement between Israel and South Africa, signed by both Shimon Peres and Botha. Note on page two there is a clause that says the very existence of the agreement is secret. Both men have signed the agreement on page three. • Israel-South Africa agreement Israel documents: Peres letter to South Africa's apartheid government In this letter, dated 11 November 1974, Peres says Israel and the South African apartheid government share a "common hatred of injustice" and urges a "close identity of aspirations and interests". • Letter from Shimon Peres, 11/11/1974 More resources More on this story Shimon Peres (left) with Ariel Sharon Israel denies nuclear arms offer to South Africa Shimon Peres dismisses claims relating to secret files but US researcher says denials are disingenuous Julian Borger: Israel revelations resonate in global talks Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons Israel and apartheid: a marriage of convenience Israel's nuclear capability and policy of strategic ambiguity At this link you will find links to all the information you need to be an informed citizen. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-documents Again this information was released against the strong protest of Israel and after the apartheid regime was toppled.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Thu 08/23/12 02:25 PM
Slowhand are you just a disinformation artist? A few minuets googling has all the information one needs to be informed. Follow the links its all detailed without a shadow of a doubt. The memos and minutes that confirm Israel's nuclear stockpile Documents reveal how then-defence minister Shimon Perez tried to sell South Africa's apartheid government the bomb Share 419 Email Chris McGreal Chris McGreal guardian.co.uk, Sunday 23 May 2010 16.00 EDT Israel documents: South African general says country should get nukes on Jericho missiles This is the secret memo by South Africa's military chief of staff, General RF Armstrong, asking for nukes on the Jericho missiles. It has been revealed before, but its context was not understood. We now know the memo was the direct result of a meeting between PW Botha and Shimon Peres, and the basis of Botha's demand for nukes. This memo was uncovered by Peter Liberman and published in the Nonproliferation Review. • Declassified memo from General RF Armstrong Israel documents: Cover page of memo revealing secret nuclear agreement with South Afric This cover page of an ISSA (ISrael-South Africa agreement) meeting in Pretoria between Israeli and South African officials on 30 June 1975 establishes the presence of General Armstrong, who wrote the nuclear memo. • Minutes of third ISSA meeting, 30/6/1975 Israel documents: Memo showing secret nuclear agreement with South Africa This document details the another ISSA meeting during which Botha says he needs the 'right payload' and Peres offers it in 'three sizes' (paragraph 10). • Minutes from further ISSA meeting Israel documents: Page 2 states existence of agreement with South Africa is secret This is the cover page and two other pages from the secret military agreement between Israel and South Africa, signed by both Shimon Peres and Botha. Note on page two there is a clause that says the very existence of the agreement is secret. Both men have signed the agreement on page three. • Israel-South Africa agreement Israel documents: Peres letter to South Africa's apartheid government In this letter, dated 11 November 1974, Peres says Israel and the South African apartheid government share a "common hatred of injustice" and urges a "close identity of aspirations and interests". • Letter from Shimon Peres, 11/11/1974 More resources More on this story Shimon Peres (left) with Ariel Sharon Israel denies nuclear arms offer to South Africa Shimon Peres dismisses claims relating to secret files but US researcher says denials are disingenuous Julian Borger: Israel revelations resonate in global talks Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons Israel and apartheid: a marriage of convenience Israel's nuclear capability and policy of strategic ambiguity At this link you will find links to all the information you need to be an informed citizen. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-documents Again this information was released against the strong protest of Israel and after the apartheid regime was toppled. Nothing but false innuendo! Makes anyone who claims this to be evidence look silly! 1. Memo shows South African interest in nukes on Jericho missiles. So, they had interest. That does not mean Israel supplied them. They did not. 2. Front page of 3rd ISSA minutes says nothing about what was discussed or even if the meeting was canceled or not. 3. Later excerpt from ISSA minutes says there are weapons in three sizes. No mention of which weapons and certainly no indication of nuclear anything. Not obvious if minutes are accurate there are a lot of cross outs and notes. Israel does say they might supply tanks. 4. Agreement to keep talks private. Woop de doo. Every country who ever talked to any other country has such an agreement. 5. Nice diplomatic note from Peres to South Africa in the '70s saying that the two countries share a common interest in peace and working against injustice. Nothing but the usual diplomatic niceties. Big Deal. There is NOTHING in this garbage-trove of diplomatic fluff that in any way implies Israel had any agreement every to supply South Africa with nuclear weapons. Nothin Nada.

JOHNN111 Joined Wed 05/13/09 Posts: 9273	Thu 08/23/12 03:04 PM Edited by JOHNN111 on Thu 08/23/12 03:21 PM
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s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 08/26/12 07:21 AM
I LOVE these Iran vs Israel comparisons!! There have been a number of these threads before... 1. Israel - Free press democratic society protects rights of all citizens with laws enacted and enforced for all Israeli men, women and children. Only country in the region with these protections. Complete protected freedom of religion for Christians, Muslims, Jews and all other religions too - in Israel. Now for Iran: Introduction The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States. Does Iran sponsor terrorism? The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC. "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362 Oh C'mon Now!! http://mingle2.com/topic/show/319625 The media doesn't want anybody to forget anything. The media's job is to get more readership. But it is fun and educational to examine the very real differences between Iran and Israel. It is a comparison which always casts Israel in the best possible light! Completely explained in the other threads, there is no evidence that Israel ever made any deal to provide nuclear weapons to South Africa. The "evidence" is a third party report of a conversation which makes no mention of nuclear anything! No evidence = No argument. http://mingle2.com/topic/show/334899 http://mingle2.com/topic/show/334894 Israel never signed the NPT. They did not want to refute or acknowledge anything about their nuclear activities which had been going on already for 20 years when the NPT was created. They simply do not wish to claim to be a nuclear capable state or a nuclear free state. Iran on the other hand has declared themselves to be a nuclear arms free state and has committed to never seeking to acquire nuclear weapons in order to get access to nuclear technologies and assistance. But Iran has violated their NPT commitments, is threatening to annihilate the United States and Israel, is vigorously trying to enrich uranium in fortified underground bunkers to high enrichment weapons grade, and is a Holocaust denying radical Islamic terrorist supporting state. This is why NOBODY wants Iran to continue their nuclear programs and why Iran will be stopped by force if they fail to heed the sincere and urgent warnings from the rest of the civilized world to desist. Iran could stop all the sanctions against them today by dismantling all their nuclear weapons related facilities and ceasing their nuclear weapons related activities and allowing UN inspectors to verify it.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Sun 08/26/12 07:45 AM
I think Iran would comply allot better If Israel would also allow inspectors in and disband its nuclear program. Lets be fair about it.