Topic: Iran vs Israel
Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:38 AM


JWMO!


Is This an example of ad hominem?


That is a Question

Nope,actually it is the abbreviation for "Jehovah Witness Modus Operandi",so often employed on Boards!
Stringing lots of Out-Of-Context together,and still calling them "Facts"!
You can replace the JW with any other Fundamentalist Group!
Will explain later!
Have to run out!
And please look up ad-Hominem!laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:41 AM



JWMO!


Is This an example of ad hominem?


That is a Question

Nope,actually it is the abbreviation for "Jehovah Witness Modus Operandi",so often employed on Boards!
Stringing lots of Out-Of-Context together,and still calling them "Facts"!
You can replace the JW with any other Fundamentalist Group!
Will explain later!
Have to run out!
And please look up ad-Hominem!laugh


I apologize...I read that as JMHOlaugh ....Just woke up and the eyes are a little blurry.laugh laugh laugh

s1owhand's photo
Fri 08/03/12 06:57 AM
rofl

I LOVE these Iran vs Israel comparisons!!
There have been a number of these threads before...

1. Israel - Free press democratic society protects rights of all citizens with laws enacted and enforced for all Israeli men, women and
children. Only country in the region with these protections.
Complete protected freedom of religion for Christians, Muslims, Jews
and all other religions too - in Israel.

Now for Iran:


Introduction

The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States.

Does Iran sponsor terrorism?

The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC.

"Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State

http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362

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Oh C'mon Now!!

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http://mingle2.com/topic/show/319625

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 07:03 AM
Ask any Palestinian what Israel is.

Israel is a repressive brutal apartheid Zionist state and needs to be brought to book for crimes against humanity.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/03/12 07:24 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 08/03/12 07:27 AM

Ask any Palestinian what Israel is.

Israel is a repressive brutal apartheid Zionist state and needs to be brought to book for crimes against humanity.
allow merofl

If you want to blame Israel for defensive actions, consider this:Israel's supreme court Justice is Arab. Its Parliament has many Arab parties. Its Army has Arabs. It has Arab TV soap operas, news, game shows, children's shows,. It has had Arabs chair parliament sessions. So if you want to hate Israel, you should come to Akko, Haifa, Jaffa, A.Gush & ask Arab families who've had family members killed in terrorist attacks in restaurants, buses, etc if they want the wall & checkpoints eliminated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeGYAfh9A1k

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 07:40 AM
You have had my opinion


Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/03/12 09:10 AM

Ask any Palestinian what Israel is.

Israel is a repressive brutal apartheid Zionist state and needs to be brought to book for crimes against humanity.
what Palestinians?
They,by their Own >Admission do not exist!laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:27 PM
Israel, US Bent on Brewing Iran Crisis


Washington has threatened Iran with a military strike. (SepahNews)
By Ismail Salami – Tehran

A report published on Sunday in Ha'aretz reveals that US National Security Adviser Tom Donilon has presented Washington's contingency plans for a possible attack on Iran to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu once the nuclear negotiations reach an impasse.

However, the report was immediately denied by a top Israeli official who spoke on condition of anonymity. He said, “Nothing in the article is correct. Donilon did not meet the prime minister for dinner, he did not meet him one-on-one, nor did he present operational plans to attack Iran.”

A quick justification for this denial could be that such a contingency plan was not supposed to be publicized and should have remained confidential for as long as necessary.

Still, there is no denial that Washington and Israel are the two sides of a coin and it is manifest that they have in their political wheeling and dealing formed a united front against Iran.

US GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney has recently paid a visit to Israel to marshal up support of the Israelis on the one hand and express his unswervingly servile commitment to Israel (including his anti-Iran stance) on the other. Dan Senor, a top foreign policy adviser for the GOP presidential candidate, says that Romney would support “Israel’s decision to launch a military strike against Iran to keep that country from achieving nuclear capabilities, but hopes diplomatic and military measures will dissuade Tehran from pursuing its path toward nuclear acquisition.”

Furthermore, he told reporters ahead of the speech, planned for late Sunday near Jerusalem's Old City, "If Israel has to take action on its own, in order to stop Iran from developing the capability, the governor would respect that decision."

With a more somber tone, however, Romney himself has repeatedly said that he has a "zero tolerance" policy toward Iran obtaining the capability to build a nuclear weapon.

In recent past, Washington has frequently threatened Iran with a military strike. The threats, which evidently run counter to all international laws, are generally uttered by a massive number of officials influenced by the powerful Zionist lobby in Washington. A brazen instance of these threats is that Washington may use the 14-ton bunker buster (20ft long, 1ft wide weapon) known as Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), the world's largest conventional bomb against Iran nuclear sites. Michael Donley, the US Air Force Secretary, said the bomb would be available if necessary.

"We continue to do testing on the bomb to refine its capabilities, and that is ongoing," he said "We also have the capability to go with existing configuration today."

In order to justify their illegal threats and sanctions, the US has apparently embarked on a systematic program of fomenting Iranophobia in the US and the rest of the world. In this pernicious Iranophobic campaign, a number of groups and parties including Tea Party, neocons and AIPAC are actively involved.

By this program, the US is hell bent on distorting the realities of the Islamic Republic as well as brainwashing public opinion in the world into believing that Iran is seeking to build nuclear weapons, and that Iran poses a grave danger to the security of the world. In this smear campaign, Washington also makes use of its allies including Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel in the region.

A politically bankrupt politician who does have but little respect in his own country, Romney follows the selfsame Iranophobic campaign, takes an aggressive stand on Iran in Israel where he is falsely emboldened and says Tehran's leaders are giving the world "no reason to trust them with nuclear material." He even voiced support for an Israeli decision for military action “to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear capability”.

"Make no mistake: The ayatollahs in Tehran are testing our moral defenses. They want to know who will object, and who will look the other way. My message to the people of Israel and the leaders of Iran is one and the same: I will not look away; and neither will my country."

These facts aside, the duo have recently started a string of false flag terrorist attacks taking place in different parts of the world. With Washington pointing the finger of blame at Iran, Israel feels more fallaciously entitled to tone up its war rhetoric against the Islamic Republic and make the best of the fabricated ops. In the same line, former UN Ambassador John Bolton has called on the Zionist entity to attack Iran in retaliation for the alleged killing of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, saying “the time has come for the Jewish state to quit threatening and take action”.

“This is obviously a very dangerous period for Israel with the civil war in Syria, refugees reported going across the border into Lebanon, and Hezbollah well armed with rockets on Israel’s northern border,” Bolton told Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren Thursday night. “So I think if there were ever a time to retaliate, and directly against Iran this time, this is it.”

In the final analysis, one can see that the real threat in the world is being posed and imposed by those warmongers in Washington who will turn the situation to the best of their own interests in the region as well as by Israel who will in the wake of a war against Iran reap the benefits of such aggression if of course they ever outlive such an act of belligerence.

- Dr. Ismail Salami is an Iranian writer, Middle East expert, Iranologist and lexicographer. He writes extensively on the US and Middle East issues and his articles have been translated into a number of languages. He contributed this article to PalestineChronicle.com.

salemo's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:27 PM
the aggressor became the victim and the victim became the aggressor,what irony,so now we have iran and palestine are bad guys ,come on who's next?i think next it ll be egypt.lol.
war is lie .

willing2's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:42 PM


Ask any Palestinian what Israel is.

Israel is a repressive brutal apartheid Zionist state and needs to be brought to book for crimes against humanity.
what Palestinians?
They,by their Own >Admission do not exist!laugh

Is this where Israeli haters add mo hominy?

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Fri 08/03/12 01:45 PM





Any source that does not suit your argument is dismissed out of hand and ridiculed.


Incorrect, sources that are tabloid or specious are dismissed out of hand after assessment. It's not my fault people use questionable sources, tabloids and blogs, so, please refrain from further examples of ad hominem.


That is Your opinion


True, based on extensive academic research into sources. I never employ tabloids, articles from peddling sites or blogs to support my position.

Do you believe Press2? Russia Today? Did you believe News of the World? Do you cite Murdoch's outlets? Anyone can string a series of unrelated events together, make up a conspiracy and write a blog. The internet is full of it.

It's easy to attack me on this, but have you done the hard yards of media studies, or source criticism in History subjects?


I am not attacking you.

Even Governments Tell Barefaced Lies.

The Truth is very difficult to get at.

If you read back on these political threads the number of credible people who have been ridiculed is mind boggling.


Their credibility is merely your opinion.

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 08/04/12 07:28 AM


Any source that does not suit your argument is dismissed out of hand and ridiculed.


Incorrect, sources that are tabloid or specious are dismissed out of hand after assessment. It's not my fault people use questionable sources, tabloids and blogs, so, please refrain from further examples of ad hominem.
That's so absurd.

The subservient corporate media will not present both sides of the argument and its up to the independent media to tell the whole story.

I challenge you to debate the facts in the original article and not run and hide behind the "source".

The facts are accurate they can be verified by other "sources"

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 08/04/12 07:42 AM



Any source that does not suit your argument is dismissed out of hand and ridiculed.


Incorrect, sources that are tabloid or specious are dismissed out of hand after assessment. It's not my fault people use questionable sources, tabloids and blogs, so, please refrain from further examples of ad hominem.
That's so absurd.

The subservient corporate media will not present both sides of the argument and its up to the independent media to tell the whole story.

I challenge you to debate the facts in the original article and not run and hide behind the "source".

The facts are accurate they can be verified by other "sources"

yep,but NOT in the Fashion of JWMO!
Bits and pieces from decades apart strung together as if it had happened yesterday!laugh
Then it becomes UNTRUTH!

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 08/04/12 08:12 AM
Edited by Bestinshow on Sat 08/04/12 08:17 AM




Any source that does not suit your argument is dismissed out of hand and ridiculed.


Incorrect, sources that are tabloid or specious are dismissed out of hand after assessment. It's not my fault people use questionable sources, tabloids and blogs, so, please refrain from further examples of ad hominem.
That's so absurd.

The subservient corporate media will not present both sides of the argument and its up to the independent media to tell the whole story.

I challenge you to debate the facts in the original article and not run and hide behind the "source".

The facts are accurate they can be verified by other "sources"

yep,but NOT in the Fashion of JWMO!
Bits and pieces from decades apart strung together as if it had happened yesterday!laugh
Then it becomes UNTRUTH!
Its called a pattern Mr Conrad.

What we see is a pattern of hypocrisy by Israel and our subservient corporate media.

Pretty simple for most minds to get a handle on.

Iran signs the nuclear non proliferation treaty and submits to inspections Israel does not.

Yet Iran is the one who is demonized.


Orwell is spinning in his grave.


Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have.[1] Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/04/12 09:47 AM
It sure is humiliating for Iran to have the international community
insist that Iran stop being the worst nation in the world in terms
of sponsoring mass murder of innocent civilians.

How hard it must be on the poor Iranian clerics.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

Clearly the only response is for Iran to kill more innocent civilians
and develop nuclear weapons. Only way they will ever stop the humiliation!

laugh slaphead


Well I for one hope that we don't have to bomb Iran. But most of
the world supports sanctions against them developing nuclear
weapons because they are a radical Islamic terrorist theocracy
which openly terrorizes their own citizens and has vowed also to
attack other peaceful nations including the U.S. because they
perceive these nations to be un-Islamic or to have a kind of Islam
which is not the same as the dominant Shiite Govt religion.

It is clearly a good idea to oppose a nation such as Iran from
obtaining nuclear weapons and most of the nations of the world
agree on that point including most other Islamic countries.

Nevertheless Iran continues to try to develop nuclear capability
and if they do not immediately and completely and verifiably stop
their march toward nukes then they will in fact likely be stopped
by force with the consent of the vast majority of peace loving
countries in the world.

This would not be genocide. This would be avoiding genocide.

It is totally up to Iran - but according to the latest news they
seem to be hell bent on forcing the rest of the world to military
action as the last resort to stop their active aggressive illegal
nuclear program.

drinker

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Sat 08/04/12 10:31 AM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Sat 08/04/12 10:32 AM
"Nevertheless Iran continues to try to develop nuclear capability
and if they do not immediately and completely and verifiably stop
their march toward nukes then they will in fact likely be stopped
by force with the consent of the vast majority of peace loving
countries in the world.

This would not be genocide. This would be avoiding genocide."



Preemptive Nuclear strike on Iran.... You know, To save the world from nuclear genocide!


rofl

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/04/12 11:20 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sat 08/04/12 11:22 AM

It sure is humiliating for Iran to have the international community
insist that Iran stop being the worst nation in the world in terms
of sponsoring mass murder of innocent civilians.

How hard it must be on the poor Iranian clerics.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

Clearly the only response is for Iran to kill more innocent civilians
and develop nuclear weapons. Only way they will ever stop the humiliation!

laugh slaphead


Well I for one hope that we don't have to bomb Iran. But most of
the world supports sanctions against them developing nuclear
weapons because they are a radical Islamic terrorist theocracy
which openly terrorizes their own citizens and has vowed also to
attack other peaceful nations including the U.S. because they
perceive these nations to be un-Islamic or to have a kind of Islam
which is not the same as the dominant Shiite Govt religion.

It is clearly a good idea to oppose a nation such as Iran from
obtaining nuclear weapons and most of the nations of the world
agree on that point including most other Islamic countries.

Nevertheless Iran continues to try to develop nuclear capability
and if they do not immediately and completely and verifiably stop
their march toward nukes then they will in fact likely be stopped
by force with the consent of the vast majority of peace loving
countries in the world.

This would not be genocide. This would be avoiding genocide.


Preemptive Nuclear strike on Iran.... You know, To save the world from nuclear genocide!


rofl


Nah. No nuclear attack needed on any people.
Just conventional disarmament.

yawn

Might be boring, effective though.

Can't have radical Islamic terrorists like those who bombed the
WTC with nuclear warheads capability for obvious reasons.

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Sat 08/04/12 12:20 PM
No other solution than strong arm tactics?

Because you very well know, this hasn't worked yet?


The sole reason why you are stuck in this quagmire is because US blind support for Israel... If you listened to Bin Laden warnings 20 years ago, You would be enjoying peace right now... (not that I would have done that myself mind you)

60 yrs later.... I think Israel can handle herself, and she should be held responsible for her actions. Iran is no pushover... War is in their genetics...
I don't think America/Israel is ready for war with Iran. And to be honest, You can't afford it.

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 08/04/12 12:24 PM
By the rest of the world you must be referring to the US and its client states.

The only real thing Iran is guilty of is being independent of the US business interests.

s1owhand's photo
Sat 08/04/12 06:09 PM

No other solution than strong arm tactics?

Because you very well know, this hasn't worked yet?


The sole reason why you are stuck in this quagmire is because US blind support for Israel... If you listened to Bin Laden warnings 20 years ago, You would be enjoying peace right now... (not that I would have done that myself mind you)

60 yrs later.... I think Israel can handle herself, and she should be held responsible for her actions. Iran is no pushover... War is in their genetics...
I don't think America/Israel is ready for war with Iran. And to be honest, You can't afford it.


You can't counter a regime like Iran which attacks and murders
innocent people in terrorist attacks at home and abroad with
"chit-chat".

No point in bringing a knife to a gunfight either.

We are all ready to confront terrorists and those that support them
anytime and anywhere.

drinker