Topic: Syria: The future
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Wed 08/08/12 08:12 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/08/12 08:14 PM

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Whatever! There has always been some way of justifying anti-semitism for those who evince it.


You don't know the meaning of the word and you don't use it properly.

And the fact that you still use it as if it means anything proves who you really are... and clarifies your agenda.


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Wed 08/08/12 08:21 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/08/12 08:22 PM
Zionism is not "semitic." Zionism is not "Jewish."

Anyone who confuses criticism of Zionism with criticism or hatred of Jews or Israel is either clueless, confused or just plain stubborn. If they are sriously not any of those things then they are part of and supportive of a criminal cabal.

That is like supporting someone like Hitler.



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Wed 08/08/12 08:21 PM


laugh

Whatever! There has always been some way of justifying anti-semitism for those who evince it.


You don't know the meaning of the word and you don't use it properly.

And the fact that you still use it as if it means anything proves who you really are... and clarifies your agenda.




Whatever. I use it in the accepted sense, and the last time you harped on about this, I used the vernacular and received a reprimand from the Moderator for a racial slur (apparently 'Jew-hater' is a racial slur), therefore, I'll use the accepted term if it's all the same to you.

My agenda? Well, if finding anti-semitism repellent is having an agenda, so be it...

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Wed 08/08/12 08:24 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/08/12 08:28 PM
If you think I am a "Jew hater" or that I get my news from "jew hating websites" then that proves beyond any doubt that you know absolutely NOTHING.

(and not just about me.... but about the entire world situation.)

I am going to assume that you are just misinformed or brainwashed.

This permanently concludes our discourse.




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Wed 08/08/12 08:27 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 08/08/12 08:40 PM

If you think I am a "Jew hater" or that I get my news from "jew hating websites" then that proves beyond any doubt that you know absolutely NOTHING.

I am going to assume that you are just misinformed or brainwashed.






Whatever, you tend to make a lot of assumptions (i.e. I didn't call you a Jew-hater, did I?). I don't really care what you believe, or how true you believe it to be anymore. I just don't want to see yet another thread hijacked for anti-Semitic purposes.

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Wed 08/08/12 08:29 PM

If you think I am a "Jew hater" or that I get my news from "jew hating websites" then that proves beyond any doubt that you know absolutely NOTHING.

(and not just about me.... but about the entire world situation.)

I am going to assume that you are just misinformed or brainwashed.

This permanently concludes our discourse.







Permanently.




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Wed 08/08/12 08:31 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Wed 08/08/12 08:31 PM

If you think I am a "Jew hater" or that I get my news from "jew hating websites" then that proves beyond any doubt that you know absolutely NOTHING.

(and not just about me.... but about the entire world situation.)

I am going to assume that you are just misinformed or brainwashed.

This permanently concludes our discourse.






Permanently.



Thanks!





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Wed 08/08/12 09:34 PM

This is what is happening there.

The global Cabal wants to change the regime to one that will cooperate with the global bankers and join their world community to become good consumers of the corporate machine.


That's it in a nutshell.



I agree. The monied interests-public and private-and benefiting from death and chaos caused by the US regime and its allies in big ways.


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Wed 08/08/12 09:53 PM


This is what is happening there.

The global Cabal wants to change the regime to one that will cooperate with the global bankers and join their world community to become good consumers of the corporate machine.


That's it in a nutshell.



I agree. The monied interests-public and private-and benefiting from death and chaos caused by the US regime and its allies in big ways.




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drinker

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Thu 08/09/12 03:53 AM
An interesting point of view which contradicts much of the unsubstantiated rhetoric and hearsay within this thread.


The risks of inaction in Syria

By John McCain, Joseph I. Lieberman and Lindsey O. Graham, Published: August 6The Washington Post
John McCain and Lindsey O. Graham, both Republicans, represent Arizona and South Carolina in the Senate, respectively. Joseph I. Lieberman, an independent, represents Connecticut in the Senate.

As fighting inside Syria intensifies and the opposition there renews its plea to the world for help, the Obama administration’s hands-off approach is increasingly at odds with both America’s values and its interests.

Some have suggested that recent gains by the rebels — including offensives in Damascus and Aleppo, the assassination of key regime officials and several high-profile defections — prove that the Syrian opposition is on the path to victory and does not need our assistance.

Unfortunately, while opposition fighters inside the country have grown more capable in recent months, Bashar al-Assad’s regime is far from finished and is now unleashing even more indiscriminate violence against civilians, using tanks and artillery, helicopter gunships, militias, snipers and, for the first time, fighter aircraft.

Iran and Hezbollah are bolstering this assault with far-reaching material support because its leaders recognize that Assad’s fall would inflict a critical blow on them. Russia and China, meanwhile, continue to provide diplomatic cover for Assad’s brutality.

We are hopeful the rebels will ultimately prevail, but it remains a deeply unfair and brutal fight, and the speed and manner by which it is won matter enormously. All evidence suggests that, rather than peacefully surrendering power, Assad and his allies will fight to the bitter end, tearing apart the country in the process.

America’s disengagement from this conflict carries growing costs — for the Syrian people and for U.S. interests.

Because we have refused to provide the rebels the assistance that would tip the military balance decisively against Assad, the United States is increasingly seen across the Middle East as acquiescing to the continued slaughter of Arab and Muslim civilians. This reluctance to lead will, we fear — like our failure to stop the slaughter of the Kurds and Shiites under Saddam Hussein in Iraq or of the Tutsis in Rwanda — haunt our nation for years to come.

Our lack of active involvement on the ground in Syria also means that, when the Assad regime finally does fall, the Syrian people are likely to feel little goodwill toward the United States — in contrast to Libya, where profound gratitude for America’s help in the war against Moammar Gaddafi has laid the foundation for a bright new chapter in relations between our two countries.

Much more than in Libya, moreover, the United States has significant national security interests at stake in Syria. These include preventing the use or transfer of the regime’s massive chemical- and biological-weapons stockpiles — a real and growing danger — and ensuring that al-Qaeda and its violent brethren are unable to secure a new foothold in the heart of the Middle East. Our decisions and actions have been woefully insufficient to safeguard these interests and others.

The U.S. reluctance to intervene in Syria is, first of all, allowing this conflict to be longer and bloodier, a radicalizing dynamic. Contrary to critics who argue that a greater U.S. role in Syria could empower al-Qaeda, it is the lack of strong U.S. assistance to responsible fighters inside the country that is ceding the field to extremists there.

It is not too late for the United States to shift course. First, we can and should directly and openly provide robust assistance to the armed opposition, including weapons, intelligence and training. Whatever the risks of our doing so, they are far outweighed by the risks of continuing to sit on our hands, hoping for the best.

American help should go to those groups that reject extremism and sectarianism in both word and deed. As in Libya, the relationships we build with armed groups inside Syria now will be indispensable going forward.

Second, since the rebels have increasingly established de facto safe zones in parts of Syria, the United States should work with our allies to reinforce those areas, as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested last week. This would not require any U.S. troops on the ground but could involve limited use of our airpower and other unique U.S. assets.

We know there are risks associated with deepening our involvement in the profoundly complex and vicious conflict in Syria. But inaction carries even greater risks for the United States — in lives lost, strategic opportunities squandered and values compromised. By continuing to sit on the sidelines of a battle that will help determine the future of the Middle East, we are jeopardizing both our national security interests and our moral standing in the world.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mccain-lieberman-and-graham-the-risks-of-inaction-in-syria/2012/08/05/4a63585c-dd91-11e1-8e43-4a3c4375504a_story.html


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Thu 08/09/12 03:57 AM


This is what is happening there.

The global Cabal wants to change the regime to one that will cooperate with the global bankers and join their world community to become good consumers of the corporate machine.


That's it in a nutshell.



I agree. The monied interests-public and private-and benefiting from death and chaos caused by the US regime and its allies in big ways.




No Need for Further Explanation


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Thu 08/09/12 04:04 AM



This is what is happening there.

The global Cabal wants to change the regime to one that will cooperate with the global bankers and join their world community to become good consumers of the corporate machine.


That's it in a nutshell.



I agree. The monied interests-public and private-and benefiting from death and chaos caused by the US regime and its allies in big ways.




No Need for Further Explanation


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of course not!
Further Explanations would invite Discussion and Debunk the Whole thing!rofl

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Thu 08/09/12 09:11 AM
nothing new here...ohwell

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Thu 08/09/12 10:06 AM

nothing new here...ohwell


The Poster says it all:wink:

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Thu 08/09/12 10:21 AM

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Thu 08/09/12 03:44 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 08/09/12 03:45 PM
of course not!
Further Explanations would invite Discussion and Debunk the Whole thing!rofl


It's not worth the effort. Just let them rant on and ignore it.

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Fri 08/10/12 06:12 AM
The Syrian Rebels' Libyan Weapon.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/08/09/the_syrian_rebels_libyan_weapon
About the author
A defence consultant,Mr. Farwell is an expert in strategic communication, political and sovereignty issues in the Middle East, North Africa and southwest Asia, and in cyber. He is the author of The Pakistan Cauldron: Conspiracy, Assassination & Instability (Washington: Potomac Books, 2011), and the forthcoming Power &Persuasion (Washington: Georgetown University Press, 2012).
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The Syrian insurgency belies thefamiliar Arabic and Chinese proverb that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
A critical question must be addressed: Who might seek to acquire elements of Bashar al-Assad’s large, sophisticated arsenal of Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear and High Explosive (CBRNE) weapons? Furthermore, who is prepared to deal with that challenge or the threats posed by a regime that employs such weapons?
The rebellion has already killed 19,000 Syrians. What began as a peaceful protest in 2011 against Bashar al-Assad’s political repression has turned into a full-blown civil war. At a minimum, the conflict appears likelyto reduce Assad and the Alawites – who comprise 13% of Syria’s 23 million population – to a rump state on the Mediterranean basedin Latakia, which is the de facto capital ofthe Alawite heartland. Amid reports that half those residents oppose Assad, his ability to secure eventhis base is unclear.
Assad and his cohortshave stumbled badly in confronting political reality, flubbing any opportunity for reconciliation, even ifthey didn’t have any interest in it to beginwith. Now it’s up to the international community to take action and keep his formidable WMD arsenal from being used or falling into the wrong hands.
Full:
http://www.defenceiq.com/air-land-and-sea-defence-services/articles/7-solutions-to-the-syria-problem/

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Fri 08/10/12 07:54 AM
The rebellion has already killed 19,000 Syrians.


I see news articles all over claiming that X amount of Syrians have been killed or have been forced from their homes, but I see no proof of any of that and no credible sources. The world barely knows who is fighting whom over there and I don't see any credible source being sighted or anyone counting the dead.

I don't even see any pictures of thousands of people dead or migrating. Not that pictures are proof of anything.

I just don't believe blindly what the media is reporting. I suspect that 98% of it is spin and propaganda mixed with bald faced lies.

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Fri 08/10/12 08:38 AM

The rebellion has already killed 19,000 Syrians.


I see news articles all over claiming that X amount of Syrians have been killed or have been forced from their homes, but I see no proof of any of that and no credible sources. The world barely knows who is fighting whom over there and I don't see any credible source being sighted or anyone counting the dead.

I don't even see any pictures of thousands of people dead or migrating. Not that pictures are proof of anything.

I just don't believe blindly what the media is reporting. I suspect that 98% of it is spin and propaganda mixed with bald faced lies.
so,what are you basing your Facts on?

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Fri 08/10/12 09:11 AM

The rebellion has already killed 19,000 Syrians.


I see news articles all over claiming that X amount of Syrians have been killed or have been forced from their homes, but I see no proof of any of that and no credible sources. The world barely knows who is fighting whom over there and I don't see any credible source being sighted or anyone counting the dead.

I don't even see any pictures of thousands of people dead or migrating. Not that pictures are proof of anything.

I just don't believe blindly what the media is reporting. I suspect that 98% of it is spin and propaganda mixed with bald faced lies.

Syrian rebels on Thursday bombardeda military air base in Aleppo using a tank captured from government troops as activists reported the regime has launched new raids against opposition fighters near the capital Damascus, killing dozens.
http://www.newser.com/article/da0dard82/syrian-rebels-use-captured-regime-tank-in-aleppo-activists-report-regime-raids-near-damascus.html
“Some days we get around 30, 40 people, not includingthe bodies,” said a young medic in one clinic. “A few days ago we got 30 injured and maybe 20 corpses, but half of those bodies wereripped to pieces. We can’t figure out who they are.”
The opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 18 people were killed in the Aleppo area on Sunday out of more than 150 people, two thirds ofthem civilians, slain across Syria.
http://www.livemint.com/2012/07/30202156/Syrian-air-force-joins-battle.html
The guards pulled him from his cell before dawn on Monday, bound his hands, blindfolded him and drove him to an empty lot in the Syrian city of Aleppo.They sat him in a row with 10 other captives, he said, then cocked their guns and opened fire.
"They sprayed us," recalled 21-year-old Mahmoud, the lone survivor of the latestmass killing of Syria's civil war. "Thefirst bullet hit my chest, then one hit my foot, then my head. As soon as my head got hit, I thought, 'I'm dead.'"
Reports of such killings have surfaced frequently during the 17 months of deadly violence that activists seeking to topple President Bashar Assad say haskilled more than 19,000 people. But details are usually scarce - no more than activist reports or amateur videos ofbloodied bodies or mass graves posted on YouTube.
Mahmoud related hisgrisly ordeal to The Associated Press hours after it happened. Struggling to speak, he lay in a bed in a makeshift rebel-run field hospital set up in a wedding hall in this town 13 miles (20 kilometers) north of Aleppo. Bandages covered his foot, head and chest. Plastic vines and colored lights adorned the walls of the darkened building, and two red velvet chairs once used by brides and grooms sat on a small stage.
Mahmoud gave only his first name to protect his family who still live in the area.
While his story couldnot be independently confirmed, Mahmoud's wounds matched his story and residents who found him and his dead colleagues corroborated certaindetails.
Together, they painted a picture of the summary slayingof 10 men, at least some of whom had only loose links to the armed rebels seeking to topple the regime. That story jibes with activist claims of the increasingly brutal tactics regime forces are using to try to crush the rebellion that has spread to Aleppo, Syria's largest city.
Syria's uprising started in March 2011 with peaceful protests calling for political reforms thatwere met with a fierce regime crackdown. Government brutality grew as dissent spread, and many in the opposition took up arms as the conflict morphed into a civil war.
Aleppo has been a stronghold of government supportthroughout the uprising, with a wealthy business class and many minority communities who fear they'll suffer if Assad falls. Until recently, the city of some 4 million people had been spared the violence that has ravaged other Syrian cities.
But during the last two weeks, rebels have been pushing into Aleppo's neighborhoods, clashing with security forces and torching police stations in a push to"liberate" the city. Syrian media has vowed the army is gearing up for a"decisive battle," while anti-regime activists have reported swelling numbers of troops and tanks on the city's edges.
The Syrian government blames the uprising on armed gangs and terrorists backed by foreign powers that seek to weaken Syria.
It was amid these tensions that Mahmoud, a Palestinian resident of Aleppo, had his fateful brush with Syrian security. On Thursday, Mahmoud said, he and a friend went to collect their paychecks from the thread factory wherethey work and heardclashes nearby. Sooneight men in civilian clothes stopped them and asked for their IDs and cell phones.
On Mahmoud's phone they found videos of anti-government demonstrations and messages he sent to rebels from the Free Syrian Army, asking God to protect them and make them victorious. The men threw Mahmoud andhis friend in the trunk of a car and drove them to a trash dump, where they were blindfolded, bound and beaten with sticks and large rocks before being taken to a security office.
Mahmoud was locked in a crowded cell with about a dozen other men, hesaid. Each day, some were taken out and new ones brought in.
"We were there for four days and they only gave us water to drink once. They never fed us," he said. "They never asked us anything. Every day it was beating, beating, beating."
Before dawn on Monday, guards pulled Mahmoud and10 others from their cells and told they were going to see a judge. They were bound at the wrists, blindfolded and driven to Aleppo's Khaldiyeh neighborhood, where they were lined up on a patch of rocky soil.
"They sat us all down next to each other, 'You here, youhere, you here,'" Mahmoud said."Then each one cocked his weapon and the shooting started."
Mahmoud was shot three times. Bullets pierced his chest andfoot and one grazed his skull. Minutes later, silence returned, and he realized he was still alive.
"I breathed, I said the shehada," he said, referring to theMuslim declaration of faith meant to puthim right with God."I tried to get up then started screaming because blood was coming out of me."
He scraped his face on a rock to remove the blindfold and crawled to where some nearby residents found him.
Among them was a 22-year-old electrician who said he heard the gunfireearly Monday and worried that people were being killed because he had discovered six bodies in the same spot a day earlier. Heshowed videos of the victims on his cell phone, their bodies piled atop each other covered in blood, some bearing large bruisesthat appeared to be from beatings. He said all had been shot dead.
He and others asked not to have their names published because they have topass through government checkpoints to get home.
The killings shocked residents of Khaldiyeh, a working-class neighborhood on Aleppo's northwest side that has seen little violence until now. While many residents support the rebels, they havenot established a foothold in the area, and the relative quiet has drawn thousands of people fleeing violence in other Aleppo neighborhoods or nearby villages.
As Mahmoud spoke, a white pickup pulled up outside the field hospital with the bodies of nine of the men killed Monday. The body of the tenth victim had been taken away by his family. All still had their hands bound and two still wore blindfolds. Two had bullet wounds to their heads, and others had blood on their faces and chests or coming outof their ears. None wore shoes.
Those killings convinced one Khaldiyeh resident who helped collect the bodies that the neighborhood needsarms.
"We want the Free Army to come to our neighborhood to protect us," he said."If they can't come, then they need to give us weapons so we can defend ourselves."
The field hospital's doctor, Mohammed Ajaj, said he is no longer shocked when the dead and wounded pass through town on their way to burial innearby villages or fortreatment across thenorthern border in Turkey.
"We've gotten used to it," he said.
An 18-year-old activist who helped collect the bodies said none of them had IDs.
"We really know nothing about them," he said, adding that he would stop in neighboring villages to see if anyone recognized them before delivering them to a morgue further north.
"If nobody claims them, we'll take their photos and putthem on our Facebook page so their families can find out that they're dead," he said.